How will Ampere scale on laptops?

i think the sweet spot is 2060....more than enough for 1080p

 

Yea, the only reason I am upgrading this gen is my 6920hq is chugging in games and I want to be able to carry it to more rooms in my house easily.

I still love my 1080sli even if its stupid. Lmao

 

will there be a significant gain on RTX 3080 with a max TGP 105W over RTX 3070 TGP 105W ? (mobile version)

not sure is the $500 justifiable by choosing the 3080 ?

seem like Sager is still marketing these GPU as Max-Q

 

3050ti mobile and most likely desktop incoming.

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-confirms-geforce-rtx-3050-ti-laptop-gpu-with-4gb-gddr6-memory

 

Next up: 3040 Tu (Turing edition) 3GB, both desktop and mobile. Feels like we are moving back in time here.

 

Yeah that 4gb vram, ugh. They need a non- rt variant, say 1770ti etc, instead because I can't imagine rt being a serious option, it's barely an option in a 2060m unless you want to play at 30-40 fps @fhd for it.

 

Ray tracing is not as important as DLSS support, at least in terms of the RTX XX60 line.

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-h...135-W-TGP-and-likely-12-GB-VRAM.526382.0.html

Maybe maybe finally some competition

 

Hopefully, I'm planning a purchase in june/July and it might be better than picking something that's intvidia. Lol

 

I'm brand agnostic, I just want the best performance. A 6800M with decent TGP could easily beat the 3080M 150w but I doubt we'll ever see one.

 

If somehow AMD makes something that competes with 3080M 150w you can bet that magically overnight 3080M 200w will be released.

Honestly I would just be happy if:
1) More than one model/OEM gets the high end AMD mobile GPU (subsidize engineering costs if needed)
2) AMD takes mobile GPU bug reports more seriously
3) MUX switch is not omitted if the Nvidia equivalent model has it
4) Screen options do not suffer compared to Nvidia equivalent models
5) SmartShift be able to be disabled because it is not always beneficial
6) Get review units out to press before the release so people buying their products can better make an informed decision. (Not a single 5700M unit has been reviewed to date!)

I know most of this is up to the OEM to really make a great competitive product, but maybe AMD can help with their resources to build some options that people would actually consider instead of Nvidia.

 

yeah but dlss its a pretty big deal...especially when dlss 2.0 looks sharper than native

 

Chinese laptops with Intel Rocket Lake-S CPU and GeForce RTX 30 GPUs spotted



https://videocardz.com/newz/chinese...et-lake-s-cpu-and-geforce-rtx-30-gpus-spotted

 

I saw that yesterday as well, it looks like an MSI rebrand, that telltale steel series keyboard looks like. At least there's the hope of DTR some people want with desktop 11th gen CPUs.

 

Not MSI. Hasee is Chinese Clevo seller. That is Clevo N960SD2 with low TGP BGA 3060/3070 and 65W TDP locked desktop CPU. Meh.

Rocket Lake’s power consumption is ridiculous, so 65W is a joke.



Slower than AMD at over 2x the power. Epic.

 

They need a NON-RT but with DLSS line for 1440p play, DTX 1750 4gb, DTX 1750ti 6gb, DTX 1760ti 6gb. Good for budget builds, only x70-x80 cards with RT.

(trolls gonna troll ugh)

 

You mean, bring back Volta. Because that’s what Volta was—reworked SM with dedicated FP and INT pipelines and Tensor cores, just no RT cores.

 

as much as im glad amd is alive and kicking, i dont see an amd card as an option...no dlss and weak ray tracing performance...however next gen will be interesting, and as far as verdict goes if you have a 200w 2080 and want the latest and greatest......well you still have it....3080 offers nothing as papusan has shown.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 (Notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i9-9900K Processor,CLEVO P870TMx powered by premamod.com (3dmark.com)

halogod managed 14k but when the old 2080 gets 12k see little reason to upgrade

 

"
MSI has installed an Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 with a TGP of 140 watts in the GP76 Leopard 10UG. This corresponds to the maximum configurable power consumption and is reflected in the benchmark results with significantly better rates.

Compared with the MSI GS66 Stealth and its GeForce RTX 3070 with a TGP of 95 watts, the GP76 delivers an approximately 20% higher performance.
"
https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-G...view-RTX-3070-runs-at-140-watts.526385.0.html

 

Yeah I studied it a little more afterward and concluded it was Clevo, but I have to admit those accents on the lid look so MSI.

 

When you can copy the ugly gamers design from which MSI just migrated to a more mature motif because the demographic is aging, gotta do it.

 

Why not promote gamingbooks when you have shortage of Ampere desktop cards?

MSI promotes cryptocurrency mining on GE76 Raider laptop with GeForce RTX 3080 videocards.de

MSI GE76 Raider is a perfect gaming mining laptop

In those troubling times where all graphics cards are available at inflated prices or not available at all, MSI thought it was a good idea to promote their latest high-end gaming laptop – GE76 Raider – for mining.

Perhaps MSI should learn from Zotac, who faced the internet's wrath for Tweeting that its Nvidia 3000 series graphics cards were 'hungry for coin. But as usual, idiocy never goes out of style.

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The Mixed bag from the mining promote above. Only 0.5 point above a strong 3.

MSI GE76 Raider Review pcmag.com


When the new fails vs its predecessor...


But as already mentioned, Ampere Mobile is good enough/better for mining

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.p...bt-fuer-das-mining-mit-eigenen-notebooks.html

The GPU chip makers are in shortage to fulfill the demand of the consumer market. That makes the miners need to seek an alternative way to mine with gaming laptops, especially the latest ones with NVIDIA GeForce RTX "30 series graphics."

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Edit.
First small steps to try kick Nvidia on its leg. Just wish they could compete at 3080 level and above...


AMD Radeon RX 6600M GPU joins surprising choice of Ryzen 5000 CPU as gaming benchmark leak hints at upcoming Zen 3/RDNA 2 laptop

 

Wont be long until we get GPU slates with just enough PC to allow it to just simply plug it in a rack via USB so it might as well be as easy as Folding@Home

 

Yeah, probably one of the reasons you never saw many Ryzen 4xxx mobile paired with Nvidia graphics from the OEMs. And 11th gen Intel is soon out for laptops.

 

um cpu bottlenecked point retracted

 

Here is one more that show how Mobile Ampere have failed due Nvidia introduced castrated TGP.... From the link below It didn't even need the overclock mode to come out on top.





Acer Predator Helios 700: Gaming Juggernaut With Unique Sliding Keyboard pcmag.com

 

I can’t even say what I want to say because it would get me in trouble. So I’m going with. . .

 

Respect for the Helios 700 though. At least Acer didn't care about thin and light...

 

Another disgusting review from DellWorld. They slammed a DTR for not being a thin and light. Ridiculous. 4 memory slots BTW, unlike the Area 51M - nice! Not clear why they didn't just use a desktop CPU and MXM cards though.

 

How many actually care about 1080? I was able to get anywhere from the max refresh of my 120 Hz monitor down to about 70 bottom end on every game I tried with my lowly 1080 desktop card at 2k when it came out 2 years ago. I'm still getting decent rates in most games and have only had to drop to 1080 with Cyberpunk. To me 1080 is dead, I don't give a crap about what a PC does at that resolution in this day and age. Yes, I'm fully aware that is my opinion and the question is legit: Is 1080 important to posters here? I've left it for dead but it could be I'm an outlier.

 

FYI 1080p (and less) is relevant for competitive FPSs, where you really want 300 fps plus (yes, itt does matter, and makes a noticeable difference).For other games, I would agree: it's hard to go back to lower res after experiencing 4K image quality. For 4K, an eGPU and an external monitor is the way to go anyway.

 

It should’ve been phased out years ago. 1440p should be the new standard. The fact we’re only just getting them now on laptops is absurd. Jumping from 1080p to 4K was just stupid. I’m sure content creators or anyone that works on their laptops loved it. But for gamers it was not a good move. I can play 4K 120hz on my desktop, but that’s with a 2080 ti. That’s a lot of power and a card that cost more than some people’s entire setups when it first came out.

Sad thing is even the likes of Apple has been using 1600p for years.

 

What about the Windows scaling issues? Genuine question since all my displays run at 100%. BTW I am not sure we need more than FHD on 15 inch laptops - the effect of a larger resolution wouldn't be as stunning as experienced on a larger display.

 

MacOS display scaling is second to none. Windows 10 is still garbage at scaling, and like you said, 15” FHD at 100% scale Is as far as I would go. 17” I wouldn’t go past 1200P

 

As i expected. Ampere shows OK results for synthétic benchmarks (mostly 3mark). But as you say. A big dispointement (disaster) over the previous Gen grapphic cards (RTX20XX) where it really matters= Gaming.
The new Beast is weaker then it's predecessor. Great job Nvidia

I hope after reading these results that people won't dare to compare the results of a Laptop RTX3080 card to a 2080TI or 3070 Desktop anymore....Please. Not even close.

 

No space for a LGA and MXM slot in between the MB and the keyboard. The movable KB and the extra layer plastic and grills above the fans need some space in the chassis. Yet again a failed design.

Newer high end tech should still perform better than previous gen regardless of screen resolution. Wouldn't it be nice if 2080 desktop cards performed better than 3080 at same screen resolution?

We had 1440P before but Nvidia wanted show Ray tracing in good light so 1080P was a good choice for gamingbooks when they pushed hard for RTX mobile Now as RTX (mobile) has matured (Ampere) they wanted push for 1440P again in gamingbooks.

 

ampere nice not a nice jump
my 1060 laptop dead
now options buy a 3080 ge76 or use geforce now
done....using ultrabook with geforce now
profit

 

Even as a BGA laptop, the Helios 700 is a vastly superior offering to the other BGA turdbooks. It would've been nice if it was a true DTR though with an upgradeable CPU ang GPU as you said.

The vast majority of gamers would like a word with you.

1080p will continue to be by far the most popular resolution for a while for two reasons. First is the hardware people can afford. Most people use a mid tier setup or lower. Second is the minimal difference an increase in resolution makes on small screen sizes, and a lot of people game on laptops.

For a large desktop screen, I can see how a bump in resolution would yield an increase in visual fidelity. That makes sense to do. However on laptops, it doesn't make sense to go above 1080p. Even on a 17 inch screen, I'd say the gains from going to 1440p over 1080p are minimal. It mostly just makes everything on your desktop look smaller, and lowers your framerate for a minimal increase in visual fidelity on smaller screens.

Personally I don't want the standard becoming 1440p until mid range GPUs can do 1440p @120 fps in today's games. I find it silly that we keep pushing for higher resolutions at the cost of making games laggy. I'd say let the technology catch up first and then jump the gun.

 

lol 1440p and 4k on a 15in screen....soooooooooooooooo slight its not even funny...ok a bit lol

 

To be fair the I7-10875h is a very rare CPU and only found in high end laptops while the 4800H/5800H are used in Midrange and high end laptops and even laptops under $1000. I knew the I7-10875H would win because of it having 16 PCI 3.0 Lanes. Using the 5900HX would be a better comparison because it also has 16 PCI 3.0 Lanes. But still the difference is pretty minimal at best. Intel 11th gen CPUs wont be anything special but if AMD cant solve their CPU supply problems Intel might take back the crown this year.

 

Cezanne is still PCIe 3.0 x8 like Renoir, although this doesn’t matter except in H:ZD.

 

I bought a 1080p monitor but only because it was the best I could do at 21-22", I would have bought at 1440p if a 24-27 would have worked in the space.

 

I have not had any scaling issues in windows in quite some time. Might be the odd rare edge case app that hasn't been updated, but they are pretty rare these days.

 

It seems Nvidia try push more Ampere cards over to the miners, LOOL

Nvidia Hacks Its Own GeForce RTX 3060 Anti-Mining Lock to be able to increase its profits. Maybe a handshake to their AIB parners, HaHa

NVIDIA GeForce 470.05 driver confirmed to remove GeForce RTX 3060 ETH mining limiter videocardz.de | Today

Two German publications have now confirmed that simply by using a special driver, the Ethereum limiter appears to be nonfunctional.

 

So basically the whole thing was a facade to acquire better public sentiment towards themselves.

Why am I not surprised. At this point it'd be better to just wait for the RTX 4000 series than to try and acquire an Ampere card.

 

Nvidia Geforce RTX 3000 series in short supply until the year 2022 sweclockers.com

The lack of Geforce RTX 3000 may last longer than many thought. Now it is increasingly pointing to 2021 being a hopeless year.

In addition to manufacturing technical difficulties, a significant proportion of graphics cards are purchased from Nvidia's Geforce RTX 3000 series for breaking cryptocurrencies.

At the same time, the historically poor availability is not expected to have a negative effect on Nvidia's finances. To maintain its margins, Nvidia has raised the prices of its graphics chips, which are then sold to partner manufacturers, who in turn also raise prices to mitigate the otherwise negative economic effects.

Low availability just means higher prices. I'm sure they all ( AIB partners) send roses or a huge thanks in the package with Amper cards to the miners

 

In the post:

I think this is to placate the normal users that were complaining that they couldn't mine when they were not gaming but thwart the multi-gpu mining farms by limiting it to 1 GPU in the system. I will admit by doing this they are probably giving more hints to people that will try to figure out how it works in the binaries. I also wonder if you could just use virtualization to give a bunch of VMs one of the GPU in a system. I've never toyed around with GPUs in virt so not sure how that works.

 

Might work with PCI passthrough, but would need one VM per GPU - probably too cumbersome and inefficient for anyone to bother.

 

I guess availability is a moot point for me since none of the current offerings are something I'd buy. I had been holding out hope that something interesting might come out later in the year but now I'm wondering if 2021 is going to ball buster for those of us wanting to upgrade. I'm still trying to get a PS5 for one of my grandkids for Xmas but no luck on that yet either. Might seem like a non sequitur but the new laptop hunt is starting to feel similar except with an extra helping of obfuscation.

 

Haha oops

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...-without-rtx-3060-ethereum-hash-rate-limitier