I`m upgrading, are you? (GTX 780M review inside)

Because the memory on the 680M runs on lower voltage and is too low to allow higher clocks.
GTX 780M score better because it have 15% more cores, and have 10% higher clocks than GTX 680M. Then we have additional clocks based on GPU Boost 2.0 to allow even higher clocks. You can see the effect of the GPU Boost 2.0 just by looking at the Battlefield 3 results: Almost 50% higher FPS than GTX 680M.

You caved in huh?
SVL and Saltius will probably help you change the VBIOS if you want to.

Haswell CPUs only looking to be around 8-10% in average faster in clock for clock than Ivy. Thats what the recent leaks showed.

It was a little short sighted by someone to say a faster CPU doesn`t impact gaming.
There are actually a lot of CPU bound games that will give you more FPS in games with a faster CPU. If Haswell can give you that with same or lower power consumption, why not buy it?

 

reach for the sky

on another note, what a nut job, the guy that makes that blog should be interned in a mental institution, he clearly is a psychotic schizo, aside just dumb

 

Funny how the sites all claim they found the information from the source but yet have posted the exact same pictures which I cut and made since you can`t link directly from the source site.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M Gaming Performance Exposed - Features GK104 With 1536 Cores
More NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M Benchmarks Emerge | VideoCardz.com

Same with the other 3DMark11 screenshot I posted here earlier in another thread. Not to mention the 3DMark11 scores of 680MX which I personally found and posted to compare against:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M Performance Leaked, GTX 760M Unveiled | VideoCardz.com
Not even a single mention of NBR there but tons of other sites which copied the information I found.

So yeah, the sites are watching us. Too bad I can`t put a watermark on the pictures since I wasn`t the original poster. But it would be nice if these sites could link to this forum to create more traffic in the future.

 

Here is the lineup from MSI in case someone is interested in a notebook with GTX 780M and Haswell. They make really nice notebooks btw

 

Hi all, I have a couple of questions.

I'm using a Sager NP8170 3D with a GTX 485m.

Could I upgrade to this card? Does it still use MXM 3.0b?

I know right out of the gate the 780m won't have 3D driver support, but then again, last year this time the 680m didn't either, and thanks to the NP9370-3D it does now.

Would my BIOS get in the way of using this card?

Lastly, would I be better off just selling this laptop, and getting a new one instead? Resale value on the 2011 Clevo/Sager models (even the 3D ones) seems to be less than $1200. To add to that, the GTX 485m is only about $300 on ebay.

Edit: Would the GTX 780m even be a worthwhile upgrade, given price/performance?

Thank you for your time.

 

It all depends on whether the NP8170's bios will accept a 780m. As was the case with the p170hm's bios (which is what I assume you have) when upgrading to a 680m, it may take a while before Sager gets something out there that's compatible or someone comes up with a custom bios.

As far as the upgrade proposition, you're probably looking at a $650-700 commitment (or $400 after resale of your 485m). You need to ask yourself if a 65-75% performance upgrade is worth it considering the games you play.

 

I think there is far more performance upgrade, probably along 100% or more. What's the stock performance 485m like? 3.5k 3dmark11?

 

GTX 485M:
GPU score 3DMark11: 2800
GPU score Vantage: 12200

GTX 780M
GPU score 3DMark11: 7670 (+274%)
GPU score Vantage: 27142 (+225%)

 

Was just a guesstimate, but yea... wow, didn't realize it was that much of an increase from a 485m.

 

It's like the upgrading a desktop from a GTX560ti to a GTX680

*cough*

 

3DMark11 on 314.22 WHQL

P3320 with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 485M(1x) and Intel Core i7-2720QM Processor

Graphics Score
3047

Physics Score
6683

Combined Score
3073



So, how would I go about getting the right BIOS? Clevo, Sager, or a user mod?

Here is what I asked upgradeyourlaptop via ebay the other day:

Response:

Note that when I said brand, I meant like a 680m from Dell. Must have missed that.

Thank you for your responses.

 

Aww man I saw a GT60 with a GTX780M BUT with a 128GB SSD..that would bump-up the price to almost 2000$
I hope resellers let you remove that and drop the price a bit
Ken/Justin do you hear me?? hahah

 

I am pretty sure resellers will always work a deal with you I don't think the SSD will bump the price that much, instead the whole 780m will by a large margin haha.

 

The best value will come from the barebone version

 

That answer is misleading! You won't even have picture on the internal screen after driver installation on the 3D version of the P170HM (unless you wait for my BIOS Mod)...a while back upgradeyourlaptop/Eurocom requested a POC of my mod, so I sent them a demo version, which was apart from that crippled and just to showcase the internal screen working, but they never followed through, so if you buy a GTX680M from them it simply won't work on your P170HM3 except on an external screen.

 

Agreed, specially since you can reuse hardware you have lying around. We all have random ram, HDDs and what not!

 

Let's play a game on a card I just ordered for upgrading my old acer 5935g, I want you to give me all the details you can get from the image in this listing (who swears the picture is correct, but would mean the listing is not) AMD Radeon HD 6770M HD6770M GDDR5 1GB MXM 3 0A Mobile Laptop Graphics Video Card | eBay

You WILL have to look twice.

 

Engineering sample meaning the listing is not a brand new pull from a HP Pro Book.....??

 

board says MXM v1...LOL

 

Triturbo gets the cookie over at the Acer section.

D- to triturbo and stevie.

The core markings match to a 7870M chip as far as I can tell which would make this a one of a kind in MXM-A form factor, otherwise it's a 7770M and still excellent value.

ES does not bother me since it's for my personal use and not in my primary machine. Plus I thought that bit was WAY to obvious. *shakes head*

 

Hahaha - no wonder the seller is called illusion.....

 

So Meaker. Why didn't you jump in to bring up your old story about this going waaaay over 100W and it not being possible hmm?

 

How about overvolting 680m, can we overclock the memory to 1250mhz then?
The only difference that shall remain after that is increment of 192 cuda cores.

 

If it was overvolted 680m, then it would have been well above 100W TDP, I think they undervolted it while increasing efficiency (somehow, I have no clue)

 

Go back and read what I said carefully.

 

Ohh I did. You said nothing about power consumption. This has a full core and normal voltage ram. You were obviously wrong about the 680m being a 100w card. They had plenty of room to play with just as I expected. This is the true 100W card.
It's the same thing amd did with the 6970m and the 6990m. Both had a 100W tdp but only the latter exhausted the full power envelope.

 

If I have the money to be able to then yes, absolutely yes!

 

You can start reading from this post here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/717463-3dmark11-upcoming-gtx-780m-11.html#post9186315

Many people in this forum doubted what I said about GTX 780M, but just like GTX 680M I was pretty much spot on with both the specifications and the performance.
We always have the naysayers and people who can`t behave and hurl personal stuff in forums. Its just part of participating in a forum. Thats why its always delicious to be right.

 

Or this is still a 100W card, but instead of only being 100W when fully exausted in a stress test it will clock itself up to be a 100W card during games too.

 

I`m thinking that this is Kepler`s version of GTX 580M. The very max they can squeeze out of Kepler and put in a notebook. I`m super curious to what temperatures we will be seeing here. I haven`t reached max fan speed with my GT70 and its 680M yet, and having heard the turbo fan noise, I don`t want it either

 

All I know, is that 780m will be very powerful and I will thoroughly enjoy it.

 

The very is max is defined by slv7 vBIOS the 680M certainly set the bar for most OC'able if you ask me, but the 7970M certainly came damn near too!! best generation yet

 

Honestly who cares if it's 100W or more. Or less? Manufacturers will make sure it works regardless of the power consumption. Its not like you're gonna notice the difference on your electricity bill...

 

Price have been revealed by Eurocom:



GTX 680M: $817
GTX 780M : $881

$64 more than GTX 680M.
I guess 680M have been reduced slightly since launch so we are probably looking at same price as GTX 680M when it launched.

 

So you want a 3 inch thick 12 lbs laptop then that runs at 100C? You need to dissipate the heat and have a power brick to provide the power and electronics to handle it. It's not just "being cheap" on the electricity bill.

And I trust Eurocom as far as a I can throw a cow.

 

Which is surprisingly far I must say.... Yes I was watching that time

 

Whats to trust or not to trust? That is what Eurocom charge for the GPUs.

 

At the base clock it's probably at 100W and exceeds it in boost when temps allow. If svl7 makes as unlocked bios for it it should overclock nicely.

 

This is not CPU boosting, the GPU boost never goes above the TDP AFAIK.

 

On the stock desktops cards no. You have a power target on those. You can never know what they do for mobile though.

It would be a clever way of cheating to make them selves look better than AMD in the benches. This is of course just an assumption. We'll see how it works when it's sent out for reviews.

 

By default GPU Boost will monitor both temperature and power, but 3rd party overclocking utilities such as EVGA Precision X can prioritize temperature over power, at which point GPU Boost 2 can actually ignore TDP to a certain extent to focus on power.

You can increase TDP/power by 6% on Titan. Not sure if thats possible with 780M.

 

It's not so funny when the GPU and CPU both boost past TDP and eat the slim margin brick....

 

Than disable the feature.....or get a better brick. Manufacturers can do either at will.

 

But the point of specs is to know what you need. Otherwise you just dont bother.

 

We'll know the specifics when it releases. I still think boosting a little bit beyond 100W won't do any harm and is a nice way of cheating in benches. The important thing is that nvidia managed to do their magic.
With an unlocked bios this will be equal to a stock desktop 680. Imagine what Maxwell will be like! Nvidia says it will crush Kepler in power efficiency and since all their products will be based on that arch from phones and tablets to their super computing lineup I'm inclined to believe them.

 

Quick question.
What are the purpose of shaders? And what does unified mean?
That leads to my question on what are the benefits of 780m's 1536 over 680m's 1344 shaders?

Thx in advance.

 

More shaders = more performance. That simple. The 780m has 12.5% more shaders so given good drivers it'll be about 12% faster clock for clock if the memory isn't bottlenecking. The 680m was heavily bottlenecked by it's slow memory so in theory the 780m can be up to 28% faster thanks to it's significantly faster vram. Hope that makes some sense.

Here's what shaders are and what they're used for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shader

 

Hello experts want to know....will it be compatible with m17x r4? ?? I got a very good with 680m plus ssd at around usd 1650 with 680m...does it use mxm 3.0 b slot..?i get with 680m plus ivy bridge now then i sell off 680m later and get 780m. ..? Possible

 

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GTX 780M

 

The way I see it, if you have 680m SLI, there is no point of getting these. No games this year will even come close to pushing the potential of a 680m sli setup, maybe even next year, and if next year it did, then the gpus next year will be miles better then this year because of the process shrink. No point in the upgrade.