IFA 2017 Asus's new gaming laptop

Codename: Chimera

Hey all!
The new Asus laptop will be revealed next week.

So far these are known:





My guesses are:
1) it will have a 17.3" screen with HDR support (or they might be just using the same 120hz IPS AUO panel they have been using for a year now, but what is the point of that?)
2) according to the power adapter connector it will use a 330W power brick
3) it has 2 fans and 4 heatvents, probably to cool a 7820HK CPU and a GTX1080
4) it has an rgb keyboard and unlike with the Zehpyrus this time it is placed at the usual position
5) unless they want to move backward, it will have a modern UEFI bios like desktop motherboards (G701VIK has a bios like this)
6) it will have a built in dongle for XBox controller
7) it is NOT a MaxQ laptop however it will be full bga

What are your thoughts?

Edit:
New info!

Rog Chimera G703










- 17.3" 1080p screen with 7 ms gray 2 gray response time (current 1080p 120hz TN and IPS panels have 11-20ms g2g response time) and 144 hz refresh rate with G-Sync support
- 7th gen 7820HK CPU+gtx 1080
- built-in support for Xbox Wireless to connect an Xbox One controller

Official specs: https://www.asus.com/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-Chimera-G703/specifications/

 

The rear view make it look like my GT73, it will be interesting to see more details.

 

Unless it's a dongle that supports both the 360 and Xbox One controllers, I don't see this happening since all current versions of the latter, save for the Elite, use Bluetooth.

 

What about the GL503 and GL703 that was supposed to release by now. There is no information in regards to release date to be found.

Either way, Asus better step up its thermal design game. All of their laptops for the past 2 years run hot as hell.

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Their G701VI thermal design was indeed pathetic.
The reimagined thermal design of the G701VIK was not that bad. CPU run a bit hot but there was no throttle in games even when the CPU was overclocked.

This new laptop has more airvents so hopefully the thermals will be even better than the G701VIK.

 

Looks pretty beefy, nothing slim about that puppy

Maybe a 1080ti slightly detuned for laptop use? Greater than 1080, but not quite 1080ti?

Or, a Ryzen 7/5 + RX Vega?

 

I wonder if we will ever get gaming notebook that has 18.4" screen in 17.3" form factor.

 

Asus just confirmed that it will be a 17.3" laptop.
1 tip taken off the list

 

This unit is thick and has a decent PSU. Maybe a page out of Clevo's book with a desktop processor? Excited to see what happens (But I know that it'll probably just be an HK / BGA lol)

 

I have just realized that the ROG Show will be on Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:00 p.m., so if all goes well this beast might be revealed tomorrow :O

 

Seems this new laptop will be big...at least the price of the Zephyrus dropped by 450 eur (about 540 USD) on the German Amazon website .

 

Well, maybe people are getting that MaxQ is a compromise and demand is slacking off.
If they could do a 15' Chimera that would be interesting. Another bulky laptop with BGA, come on

 

Added some New info!

 

Holy hell, 144hz?! Asus is really killing it with panels lately.
A shame the chassis is well, this.

 

And pricing will most likely start at $3.500+ for the first SKU's
Paying this for a year old tech doesn't make sense to me.
Next year maybe

 

Demo Tour @ the ROG Showcase - IFA 2017 | ROG
Chimera Starts @ 3:00

Dropping another $500 off the price of the Asus Zephyrus GX501 would put it more in line with value for dollar against other laptops.

If the Asus Zephyrus GX501 is not selling well that'll help guide future development.

 

So will it have a Kaby Lake or a Coffee Lake?

 

If Asus are trying for thin builds like the Zephyrus, a ULV quad core Coffee Lake could be used. That might give more power budget and thermal cooling for the included GPU.

Putting an even higher thermal output 6 core laptop CPU in an already thermally challenged design wouldn't make sense in the Zephyrus.

The Chimera is set up just right for the higher thermal output of a 6 core CPU - unlocked it will have the cooling volume to stretch it's legs.

 

Several press sources said that the display model was built with 7820HK. I wonder if they stay with this or was this just a place holder for IFA because the Mobil CPU which will be used in the final product is still under NDA ?

And that screen just looks awesome, it has better response time and refresh rate than the current 120hz AUO and Chi Mei panels have.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11784...ing-notebook-173inch-fhd-at-144-hz-with-gsync

 

A smidgen more info

"...hardware in the system comes via Intel’s Core i7-7820HK, the quad core mobile part that allows overclocking (ASUS states up to 4.3 GHz), and a GTX 1080 8GB mobile graphics module with a maximum boost of 1974 MHz.

...At this point ASUS is being cagy at the rest of the specifications..., so we’ll update this post when we get something more or some hands on time. Pricing and launch were not discussed.

 

Added some photos of the screen to!prove that the screen is 144 hz @ G-Sync capable.
Pretty impressive from Asus, they not just got a panel working at 144 hz, but they also got the G-Sync certification from Nvidia before the premiere. MSI really should learn a thing or two from them.

 

I would expect that clock to be available with Turbo gear Extreme settings (factory VGA overclock from the ROG Center software)

 

Asus unveils ROG Chimera laptop with 144Hz Full HD screen
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus-unveils-rog-chimera-laptop-with-144hz-full-hd-screen.html

 

Asus website is live now for this laptop, I added the link to the op.

 

7820HK, huh? Didn't want to risk it with a desktop part, or just didn't bother

 

I think only Clevo cares about desktop cpu. (And MSI for some selected enthusiasts)

 

I guess the primary ASUS market doesn't care about desktop parts either. I mean, I wouldn't, but this thing is bigger than the Tornado

 

OMG, that is one heavy machine! 4.8 kg!

 

Asus says:
"17.3" (16:9) LED backlit FHD (1920x1080) 144Hz Anti-Glare Panel with 72% NTSC with 178˚ wide-viewing angle display"

this Will be an IPS panel with fast response time (35 ms -> 7 ms).
144 hz IPS panel with no ghosting...I like that !

 

Let's see if Asus have a decent panel without backbleeding! It seems the panel cover is quite solid.

 

It's been many years since they've done a removable CPU, my last one from Asus was the W90vp 18" large frame 2x AMD GPU laptop.

For the most part the 45w laptop part delivers performance enough to drive the GPU, and doesn't require as much power or cooling, which fits in the laptop models.

Cooling a 95w part can be done, the 15.6" MSI 16L13 LGA CPU is a niche model for MSI, with rumors of a 18L13(?) 17.3" LGA CPU model, neither mainstream models. Check those out if you require a 95w CPU.

Maybe the 17.3" MSI 18L13(?) when it finally arrives will have the 144hz display as an available option

 

Unless Asus monopolize this 144 hz panel.
Full hd Chi Mei 120 hz panel is MSI only and 120 hz full hd AUO IPS panel is Asus only. At least with G-Sync, since only Asus got G-Sync certification so if you find a Clevo reseller who offers this AUO panel, it will not have G-Sync.
tl;dr there is a high chance that this 144 hz panel with G-Sync support will be Asus only.

 

Well, I don't really need one, but figured if they were going for an enthusiast, top line machine, could've tried a desktop part.

It's a shame if they get an exclusive on the panel, but that's how business is nowadays, an the yields on it are probably low. But probably enough to cover Chimera demand (yeah, I don't expect it to be a massive success)

 

LOL at Gstink on a 144hz 7ms display. Why would you need it? Hell, most people I know turn off GSYNC if their panel has a high refresh rate and response time. GSYNC on laptops is a scam. It's software based rather than hardware based like it is on external monitors. GSYNC is just another feature they can add to the specifications to increase the price.

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How do you figure? Their are some Chi Mei panels in laptops with a 3ms response time.

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And maybe Asus can ask MSI how to build and design a decent thermal system.

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It the technology is there to be implemented, someone else will do it eventually if the demand and production sizes warrant it.

Asus is good at coming out with their own unique laptop displays. They did a really nice 18.4" 4k display for the GX800, while everyone else is stuck with the decade old 1080p panels.

Even though there's a lot of talk here about LGA being superior to BGA, they are really talking about the performance difference between 45w and 95w power limited CPU's.

There isn't the demand for 95w CPU's in laptops, it makes them large, loud, and hot, and most people don't want that even in a top enthusiast gaming laptop. And that's what a 144hz laptop is aimed at, gaming enthusiasts.

Maybe the MSI 17.3" 18L13(?) will put all the elements together for those unique individuals that want benchmarking ponies as well as gaming prowess.

BTW, I am guessing at the name, from 16L13 - 15.6" => 16, 17.3" => 18, and not sure about the L13 part increasing, it might start at L1 for the new size.

 

That's hyperbolic BS

MSI and Asus both build great cooling, I've had both. It's a matter of QA and getting a few bad ones, but most are fine out of the box.

All need undervolting, which makes up for too high voltage setting out of the box in the BIOS, it's been the same for many years.

The paste on MSI and Asus lasts for years, but if redone by the owner it becomes a constant rework every 6 - 18 months depending on the OCD of the owner.

I've not had to re-paste any of my Asus or MSI laptops, and I OC both the CPU (and undervolt) and GPU. About a dozen laptops overall.

And, I've saved many hundreds from pulling apart their laptops by showing them how to undervolt, tune their CPU (when they are unlocked), tune the fan's, and tune the OS for best performance without overtemp and loud fan's.

After undervolting most are fine, and don't need re-pasting. Even so some are so entranced with reducing the temperature down to the last C that they spend months redoing their paste many times, only to need to do it again after it pumps out or dries out.

The rest of the owners are happily using their laptops for gaming, work, and school instead of wasting their time obsessing over those last few benchmark points and last C of temperature reduction.

Everyone has their favorite game, for some it's pulling apart their laptops on a daily basis

 

I'm just very obsessive. Right now I'm pissed off at Asus because I wanted to buy the GL702 but I feel like it's thermal design crippled it. I thought they may try to fix it with the GL703 but it looks like they went and made it thinner using the same design.

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The thin and light laptops have the air of expectation of running hot and under performing for the most part, as it's impossible to "fool mother nature" and pack 10lbs of cooling into a 2lb sack

It's not realistic to expect good cooling for sustained heavy loads on a laptop without the volume and mass to contain adequate cooling.

Asus makes larger frame laptops that do run cooler, and those are the ones I was talking about.

If you want a thin and light laptop with gaming performance, it's going to be compromised by it's physical limitations, there's no way around that.

 

I don't know man. There are a lot of reviews on the G752 that say it runs pretty hot.

Then you look at something like the MSI Raider which by all accounts is pretty thin yet under stress, it's CPU hits 83 and GPU hits 65 bone stock.

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All the reviews of laptops up till recently haven't undervolted, so the CPU's are always appearing to run hot and the GPU's are more along the lines of what we'd expect / hope for.

You have to allow 5c-10c temperature reductions at load after undervolting, which puts most review temps under 90c, and 93c is the thermal throttling point.

You can get bigger reductions by doing re-pasting, but it's unnecessary for most people, as their usage won't hit sustained high temperatures.

Running G-sync or RTSS frame limiter can cover the rest of the excesses - running games at unlimited frame rates runs the GPU and CPU at highest load levels - unnecessary rendering past refresh.

You can dump a lot of heat generation by using RTSS to limit framerate, and it works better than V-sync + G-sync.

Reviewers usually spend more time "unboxing" than actually tuning the laptop for best results when benchmarking.

Link? Did they undervolt or otherwise tune for good temps? It doesn't sound like the load was very high if they only got to 83c CPU.

 

I definitely agree with limiting the frames and I never understood why people don't do it.

Here is a link for the Raider. Let me know what your thoughts are.





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CPU results are a bit low, but to be expected given it's the lowest end 45w locked CPU, not a problem but it'll run cooler by default.

The CPU temp is good, but again it's not running very fast stock and stock is locked, so that's it.

The GPU temp is great too, but they usually are cool.

It's a full 1070, so good performance in the tests, but it can do better - running Turbo or manually via MSI Afterburner + XTU for undervolting - running even cooler.

Maybe MSI has reduced the default CPU voltage, something to check for when you get one

The noise readings are lower than the Max-Q 1070 / Max-Q 1080 measured in the same way by GentechPC, check out their review videos to compare dBA at rear of the laptops.

Looks like a winner

 

I'm definitely thinking about getting one. I wanted to wait and see how the GL703 Scar performs first before making a decision.



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You read my mind, mate. That's what's been holding me back. Those bezels are thick as hell, specially the bottom.

 

Nice seeing some OEMs don't go Dellienware's route and make their most powerful models thinner and thinner + lighter (Alienware prefer larger footprint. Aka will make it more portable ). Thick and big doesn't make it any better for Asus. It's still a Turd!!

 

Starting @ $2.999
Hmmm

 

So...around the price of an MSI GT75VR.