IFA 2017 Asus's new gaming laptop

Or how to use non-garbage pail speakers.

Bottom line is Asus charges way too much for the quality they actually give you.

144Hz G-Sync is definitely a huge get though.

 

And, that 144hz display technology is supposed to make it throughout the Asus laptop line, unlike the 4k 18.4" custom one designed for the GX800.

IDK what you guys are selling, but Asus makes great products, and all of my Asus laptops have had top performance, cooling, and quality with only 1 out of 7 of them needing a GPU replacement - ATI Crossfire Asus W90.

The very thin tablet like Asus models use extremely thin materials, but the gaming laptops especially the large frame ones using external metal skins are very sturdy.

With high end audio experience, no laptop sounds good to me and I only use the internal speakers when required, otherwise I use portable BT or other external speakers for audio.

It's tough to hear such condemnation of Asus when I have used so many that ran great personally, and helped hundreds (thousands?) of others over many years - only rarely needing to recommend RMA for problems.

IDK why it's popular to crap on Asus, I don't personally see the issues, and only rarely have helped people with egregious RMA problems - mostly in foreign countries with labor issues.

Asus has been there for gamers for a long time developing cutting edge technology and making it affordable in most of their offerings. The halo laptops in every brand are overpriced due to small run production, but otherwise the main products are affordable.

Just tired of hearing the BS train roll in every time Asus comes out with something new and cool. Please knock it off

 

I only hate on Asus right now because I wanted to like the GL702 so bad but they cheaped out on the thermal system design. They put a 1070 in there knowing full well that their tiny two pipes weren't enough to cool it down. The GL703 is further proof that they know their thermal design won't effectively cool a 1070 which is why they decided to only release it with the 1060.


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Asus aren't going to design a custom heat-pipe without knowing the exact thermal requirements for each GPU they hope to use, especially with the difference in thermal output being so high between 1060, 1070, 1080.

2 - 5+ heatpipes as count is important, but thickness and width also count heavily toward capacity, so 2 different 2 pipe solutions can carry vastly different amounts of thermal energy.

If you are only seen the design for a 1060 then you haven't seen the design for the 1070, and that would include different piping for cooling.

With the newer laptops having full 1070 with better cooling components, they seem to be doing pretty well, without stooping to use a Max-Q GPU I am happy to see:

New Product Showcase! MSI GE63VR Raider with GTX 1070 – Review/Benchmarks/Assembly


If MSI can do this, then so can Asus, and other makers.

This thread is supposed to be about the thick and powerful Asus ROG Chimera, far and away *not* a thin and light solution, full powered cooling and power for a 1080 @ 144 FPS, much more my kind of gaming laptop

 

Serious question. What is the last Asus you've owned?

There was absolutely a point where their build quality began to slide.

 

I was only letting the other poster know why I have been hating on Asus. From the looks of the 1070 equipped 702, the thermal system looks exactly the same as the one with the 1060 and that's what makes me mad. It feels like the 1070 was an after thought for the 702 and Asus could have easily done what MSI did with the Raider which I believe is thinner than the 702.

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Do you have links to the 2 different laptops, the one with the 1060 and 1070 internals? It would be odd to see Asus (or anyone) to make sure a huge and easily seen design mistake.

 

The reports from owners of the newest machines like the GX800 and Zephyrus GX501 and other newest releases are that they are well made and they are all very happy with their purchases, no thermal problems, no build problems, nothing to complain about.

All the newest laptops for Asus I have personally seen - and I don't buy them for myself because I have enough computers right now - have been excellent in build quality and operation, and handle and feel much like the last series I personally owned, the G750 series.

I wouldn't have a problem buying any laptop made by Asus but I am buying other brands too, recently it's mostly MSI. You can't own all the laptops at the same time, even though there are people here that try

There isn't any point in time where Asus quality went down, that's also BS. Sorry, but recent reports from so many people that are happy with their laptops all run counter to your narrative that Asus has problems, they don't.

There are always reports of people with problems with any product, it's no more so for Asus than other companies, but when it happens to you it's personal, so I understand the issue - I just don't understand the life long vendetta's people have over simple computer problems.

Life's too short to get stuck in a loop, especially a sad and depressing one, I move on to the next situation and deal with it fresh and new. I find that giving a product or company a second chance more often than not works great, sometimes it takes a few try's

I have had so many problems with computers in my life, every day of my life since I was young, so every new one is but a minor event, even the major events caused by problems with hundreds or thousands of computers that crumble people's will to live, I brush off and solve.

Maybe my perspective is a bit too unusual, if you want to suffer the small problems in life, with a mission to warn others for retribution please do, I understand the small benefit that gives for relief.

I see it in people frequently in my work when I come fresh into a new situation, and I try to help them through and out of it to get on with the job at hand, so I've got no problem working it out with you too.

 

We both know some prefer squeezing down costs. For more earnings

 

Sometimes they gotta put more of the cash into the hook and reduce the cost of the potato

There is more and more affordable cutting edge tech to put into laptops, it's gonna keep getting better from here on out

 

I don't even get why you are defending them so hard. It takes about 2 minutes to start pulling up reviews of the last few year's Asus laptops, and the complaints about how hot they get under load. Call it a BS narrative all you want, but the professional reviewers are providing the objective inormation, through real measurements.

Since you mentioned the Zephyrus, I was about to post Notebook Check's screenshot of the CPU at 93-96C across all cores (and the 1080MQ throttling at 82C) , but it's not worth it. I don't need to spend time compiling evidence to refute your claims, when the truth is a few clicks away.

All you are responding with are shallow anecdotes, when the science is done and out there.

In conclusion:

 

Here is the 1070 equipped review. Look how gimpy that thermal system is. Even the review says it isn't enough to effectively cool the GPU.

http://laptopmedia.com/review/asus-...ot-worthy-replacement-of-the-asus-rog-g752vs/

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Asus ROG G701VIK 3.1GHz on 7820Hk is below Turbo boost 4 cores. And 800MHz is more like idle clocks Should not happen near 90c. But Asus is known for put lower Throttle point than Intel's specs.

 

For a thin and light laptop those temperatures are great, what are you expecting? And, this cooling design fits into a small space with the need for both heat exchangers to work on expelling both CPU and GPU heat, that's why the connected design for the heatpipes.

For an hour long CPU stress test the CPU temps are good, in the low 80's, high 70's, where both heatpipes and heat exchangers are working to expel only the CPU heat.

Adding GPU stress at the same time isn't the kind of test you would expect to work well on a thin and light laptop, and it doesn't

The GPU test was both GPU and CPU at the same time, IDK why he did that, if anything he should have run 3 tests, CPU only, GPU only, and then CPU + GPU, but he skipped the GPU only.

You can see in the CPU Stress + GPU Stress test combined the heat load of both at once overloads the CPU heatplate / heat exchanger, causing the CPU temp to climb into the 90's, while the GPU temp is at an acceptable 81c.

This is to be expected when overloading both the CPU and GPU at 100% utilization in a shared heat pipe thin laptop, they weren't designed for that kind of load.

This is the kind of test you use on a full sized laptop / computer to test the power delivery to see if both are able to provide full performance, the heat load is assumed to be handled separately, which it's not in a thin and light laptop.

The design is fine for gaming, but I wouldn't treat it like a resource server for simultaneous GPU and CPU loads

Get a full sized laptop like the Asus ROG Chimera if you want the full performance from both GPU and CPU at the same time...

See how I deftly brought it back on topic?

Let's stop talking about this here, please post your thin and light laptop questions into the right owners thread, and someone will find it and answer it, and they'll probably own the laptop too and have great tips on how to get the best performance from it.

Another benefit to posting On Topic in the right threads

 

The reviewer wasn't able to figure out how to put the Power Plan in High Performance, he likely left it in Balanced mode and so the processor downclocked to idle between loads.

You know this

 

Yes, all the Max-Q and other thin and light laptops get hot, there are issues that can't be designed around due to volume and mass, they aren't going to run as cool as a full sized laptop.

You know this is a problem for all brands, yet you use this as a reason to rag on Asus, they all have the same limitations.

These are design and form limitations, you game on them, you don't run 24/7 100% utilization tasks on them, they are thin and light gaming laptops not designed to do heavy computational and GPU work at the same time.

Everything you have said is endemic to the physical aspects inherent in all the brands for this form factor, not only Asus, you are focusing on trashing Asus for the sins of all the brands, for the sins of the customers that irrationally demand thin and light laptops that perform like full sized computers.

Asus is a great company, puts out great products, and has the same mass production issues that all the brands have, so pick your brand and enjoy.

 

It's still hot with a wimpy 44W Cpu Package Power during 100% load I wonder how it would be with the advertised 4.3GHz Oh'well, Throttling ain't happen before clocks go under 2.9GHz for 7820hk.

But it's still better than Alienware with even lower Cpu Package power and 1 bin lower clocks

 

Let's please get back to the topic of the Asus ROG Chimera, ok?

If you want to bash other Asus laptops and thin and light laptops in general, lets continue it in other threads where those subject's are on topic.

 

Gaming on the ASUS ROG Chimera Notebook - 17.3" GTX 1080 144hz | Trusted Reviews


Asus unveils ROG Chimera laptop with 144Hz Full HD screen
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus-unveils-rog-chimera-laptop-with-144hz-full-hd-screen.html

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Asus Unveils ROG Chimera Gaming Notebook 17.3" FHD 144hz G-sync
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11784...ing-notebook-173inch-fhd-at-144-hz-with-gsync

1st post with Chimera info
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/ifa-2017-asuss-new-gaming-laptop.808461/

 

When can we expect coffee lake upgrade for this model? At the end of 2017?

 

Forget Coffee Lake, when will the Ryzen + RX 56 version come out?

The 7820HK should be enough for 99% of the time driving the GTX 1080, and I don't see a good reason to wait for further CPU improvements from Intel - or AMD - to get this laptop.

Waiting endlessly for "something better" isn't a fun game, many people can attest to just how boring of a game "waiting" can be

 

Nice to see the argument about how Asus sucks at cooling systems

Let me ask, what is important? Temps during gaming or temps during synthetic benchmark ? G701VI sucked yes, but the G701VIK has a good cooling system. During synthetic benchmarks it is hotter than an MSIGT73/75VR, but does not throttle and during gaming it gives nearly the same results. So NO throttling during gaming.

Also, with this thinking, the latest Alienware laptops suck too? At least for Notebookcheck, the latest AW laptop with GTX 1080 gave 88C GPU and 100C CPU during Witcher 3 !

I agree with @hmscott regarding the waiting game. First we would wait for Coffee Lake. After that gets released we would start to wait for Volta and so on...

 

Well, there is gonna be some wait for the Chimera as well, at least I haven't seen a release date.
2999 for this isn't bad

 

October.

 

Well, there are definitely quite much improvements but if you would find a better deal, would you consider to buy G701vik at this point since it is same CPU and GPU? How much does the Chimera need to be more expensive in order to consider to get one when we compare with G701vik?

 

I haven't checked prices for a while, but when the G701VIK came out the only models available were $3599 and $3999, so unless prices / configurations have dropped for that laptop, the Chimera will easily be cheaper in the lightest RAM / Storage configuration.

You'd need to find out what's available, maybe a special closeout sale for the G701VIK will beat the lowest price for a new Chimera, but then again you are getting that 144hz display and beefed up cooling (we hope) in the larger chassis.

It looks like Asus is already retiring the G701VI, as it's US site Buy page is missing:
https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-G701VI-7th-Gen-Intel-Core/

The UK Asus site has the G701VIK for £3,999.99 !!
https://uk.store.asus.com/asus-rog-...-quad-core-64gb-ram-512gb-ssd-windows-10.html

 

I expect people use their laptop/computers to much more than only gaming. Multicore applications is a dayly task for more than a few. I would say down clock to 3.9GHz is throttling if the processor cant hold Asus advertised 4.3GHz for your workflow. Although Intel says this is not throttling, as long as the processor can keep base clock frequency (2.9GHz for 7820hk)

 

Considering that the price is about the same for the Chimera and the current G701VIK, I would say no.
Chimera has enough improvements to make me wait.

 

Which laptop would not throttle down from 4.3 Ghz under constant 100% CPU load with factory thermal paste ?

 

Put it the other way. Even Awbook manage running running 4.0GHz with the Tripod mess + factory Stamp. Aka can hold a higher clock than drop down to 3.8GHz. This even in P95 stress who is a lot harder than constant 100% CPU load in any types of today's ordinary multicore applications. Mind yoo, 4.0GHz is higher vs. 3.8GHz

 

Well, there price for G701VIK is 2999€ for 1TB SSD model. + Gift package which includes Asus Mouse, headset, mousepad and basic packback. I will definitely wait for Chimera. Just thinking if G701VIK would drop to 2500€, then maybe but better to wait.

 

What is the link to the G701VIK configuration for 2999€ ?

 

Not even a GT73VR 7RF (which probably currently has the best cooling system) can handle Prime95 @ 4.0Ghz with standard paste without going above 90C.

 

I expect we talked about hold clocks in multicore applications. Ain't the same as P95 stress test Aka ordinary daily tasks/workflow. Mentioned Asus managed 3.8GHz. What temp doesnt matter, the clock clocked down to 3.8GHz!!

 

Well already 50€ cheaper, the price dropped by 100€ within 7-10 days: https://m.notebooksbilliger.de/asus+g701vik+ba045t+gaming?version=2

 

Wow, that's a nice GTX 1080 configuration for the price, 32GB memory and 1TB of SSD, that's the cheapest I've seen, it must be the closeout sale I mentioned to look out for as they EOL that model.

Even so, the new Chimera has a 144hz screen and hopefully beefed up cooling to handle the slightly higher frame rate up 22 FPS from 120 FPS.

You can always upgrade the RAM and storage of the Chimera later

 

It takes a lot to push a full 144Hz, even at 1080p the GTX 1080 struggles. This screen will be perfect when the mobile Volta chips hit though.

This is a TN panel right? Whenever the product page is quoting viewing angles, instead of technologies, it's usually not IPS. I'd be blown away if they sourced a 7ms IPS display.

 

Directly from ASUS Product page:

"ROG is the first gaming brand to introduce an ultra-responsive 17.3-inch Full HD IPS display with a 144Hz refresh rate and 7ms gray-to-gray response time to its laptops"

 

Yoo want it? 144hz instead of Steelseries keyboard The picture tell more than words, bruh

 

only after I see reviews on the forum, how good the cooling is, and if there are any issues as usual we know with ASUS, great specs that don't work a 100%. Also, if it will have the same Kaby Lake CPU that I have then no point. I am hoping it would have a coffee lake

 

6 cores LGA i7 will come first due the competition with AMD and Ryzen. But for you, No Coffee BGA for now and no point waiting for Coffee if the graphics is still same old Pascal. Wasted money bruh

 

oh yeh I forgot about Mr. Pascal his time is up. I won't upgrade until Volta

 

If you absolutely want new tech soonest possible. Here we go You're welcome My friend!! I'm sure this, I don't know what to call it will launch before Intel 6 core BGA and Volta.

 

Wake me when 6 core Coffee Lake + Volta is ready for laptops.

 

A little more Asus ROG Chimera IPS display detail from the Hexus site:

"At IFA 2017 Asus has launched the ROG Chimera gaming laptop. The Chimera's claim to faim, or USP (unique selling point), is its ultra-fast display, with a 144Hz refresh rate. Asus says it utilises a 17.3-inch IPS type 1080p panel.
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Looking again in more detail at the display panel, Asus has some interesting claims. The firm says that IPS style display pixels " usually take around 25 milliseconds to switch between shades of gray, but we worked closely with our panel partner to cut that time to just 7ms." The effect is that end users won't suffer from slow response and ghosting of fast-moving objects but should be pleased with the rapid sharp motion on screen."

http://hexus.net/tech/news/laptop/109574-asus-rog-chimera-gaming-laptop-144hz-1080p-ips-display/

 

Hands on: Asus ROG Chimera G703 review
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/asus-rog-chimera-g703

"Once you see 144 fps on the Asus ROG Chimera G703 you won’t want any other gaming laptop."

 

But that's just it, most games wont reach close to 144 frames per second unless you play on low lol. Even at 1080P! I have the 120HZ panel on my alienware and barely see frames that high in AAA games. So while 144hz sounds awesome, you wont see the benefit really unless the games you play are old or easy on the graphics.

 

Yup, I pointed that out early on about the 120hz screens, checking game FPS on 1070 there were hardly any AAA titles @ 120 FPS on 1080p, and only a few more for GTX 1080.

Without dropping the quality down a lot there's no point to the 120 FPS / 144 FPS laptop internal displays.

I still think a nice HDR IPS 1080p display is still the sweet spot for laptop gaming. If you want to get an external high frame rate screen then it's not going to be much better, but at least when you use the laptop internal display it's going to be a great image with HDR IPS.

 

Response time matters a great deal though and it seems in order to get a low response time panel, you need to get one of the 120 + displays. Even with a 120hz display, I'd probably cap the FPS at 95 for thermals and image quality.

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