Incoming AMD HD 8000M in the near future!

Found this article and thought it would prove to be a good read for some of us

AMD Preps Radeon HD 8000M

 

hmmm interesting!! wonder about pricing and support lol

im a fan of red and green as both have high capabilities in there hardware. im pumped to see what comes out in the new year!

 

Its gonna be a while before we probably see an 8000m series card to replace the 7970m. I read somewhere that the 8900m Series cards aren't going to be released till later on in 2013.

 

Yea the timeline said q2 2012 for the enthusiast ones.

 

yea true i just read that somewere too haha

7870m still has alot of potential imo and i will receive mine soon to tinker with. probly wont upgrade till the 7970m is absoulty obsolete wich is awile yet haha

wich i hope i can upgrade haha

 

I personally am waiting for the 780m. I want to go back to the green side.

 

A little bit more info on the different models....

AMD Details Next Gen. Radeon HD 8000M GPUs

Of course it is way to soon to believe anything that comes out of this but if the numbers are even slightly accurate they should provide a pretty good increase over Nvidia's current mid range GPU chips, but of course that is to be expected in this war of GPU's.

I can't see the 7970m being obsolete for a long long time....I planned on holding onto this GPU for at least the next 2-3 years before possibly considering an upgrade....I really hope that remains optimistic lol....I kept my poor old 8600M GT for 4 years before I upgraded to this so I should be good i hope heh.

 

AMD Radeon HD 8000M-series GPUs revealed, coming to a laptop near you in Q1 2013

The high end card is coming in Q2 2013 (April-june which is same time as intel new CPU) while mid-high is coming in Q1 2013




Performance of AMD’s GCN 2.0 core is rated at 20-40 percent better overall compared to London HD 7000M series GPUs

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-hd-8...mance-launch-schedule-revelaed/#ixzz2FP6H9Ubu

It does use less power too during IDLE according to amd



8970m coming before the start of summer next year

 

Now for the 8970M @_@

 

The real q though, does it support enduro...?

 

I'm really curious if the improvement over 7970m will still be as gigantic as the one against 6990m was, or if the performance increase will normalize.
Also, that graph comparing against 650M GS is just sad... i mean there's nothing special about the 650m.

 

I think it says 650M G5 as in GDDR5? Solid overclocker but without OC it is really nothing special. 650M is what, the sixth strongest NVidia card? Why's the 8870M pitched at that level anyway..

 

Ah, yea, I misread. Dunno what they think they're pulling with that, unless they're considering their own 8870m to be only a mid-range card (which does appear to be the case according to the roadmap). nVidia have played off only GTX-660m and above as being gaming-level cards so i suppose they could try to get away with that.

 

Enduro will be enabled.. once again, definitely with a fix, AMD doesn't want to pull another fail off.

 

Yep, these new AMD GPUs don't appear to be up to par. The fastest one of the bunch looks like a performance downgrade for 7970M and 680M owners.

 

Lol good to hear someone else has faith in the 7970 LOL

 

i hope that it will be compatible with our systems

 

Up to 40%? Yeah right, and I saw pigs coming down from the sky today...
I can maybe stretch myself up to 20%, but that is barely what I can foresee. 40%? That must be in some very very very few isolated scenarios, where the rest is everything from 10-20% imo.

 

7970m was faster/as good as 2x6970m
Why would anyone be surprised if 8970m was 20-40% faster? they will not release a none-rebrand gpu 1 year later just to push 10% more

Same with 780m (whenever nvidia announce it) i expect it to be 30% faster minimum than 680m

 

Yeah Enduro is here to stay. Probably will be a thing of the past by the time this chip comes out anyway, clearly it is a driver isses and they will(or already have in some cases) fixed it.

Here is whats quite clear based on past AMD mobile releases:

-The card will be released before the Nvidia equivalent, it will be 30% or so faster the 7970m
-It will preform 5% slower then the Nvidia card when it is released but will be 20% cheaper.
-Drivers will suck for the first month, everyone will complain, it will be fixed shortly after.
-All the Nvidiots and MAD's will fight over who has a better generation card.
-But can it run Crysis?

Hopefully it will still be MXM 3.0.

 

Well, if I had thought the 7970M was a really great GPU I would still be using it instead of having upgraded to 680M. But, I do have more faith in 7970M than I do in the upcoming 8000M series simply because it looks like the best one of that series may not be able to keep pace with the 7970M. AMD is calling it the equivalent of a GTX 650M in terms of performance and that is too anemic for my liking. It might have fewer bugs and be a better product, but we will have to wait and see if AMD can turn their track record around. Hopefully, it will not take them 6 months to release drivers that work correctly like they did this year with the 7970M. I would stick the familiar and well documented performance of the 7970M if the best of the 8000M series is going to be that much of a performance downgrade.

 

Lol nvidia has been good to me as well as amd I've had problems with both in the past I support red and green 100 percent competion means nothing to me lol
As far as next year goes I'm sure both companies have something up there sleeve for people to drool over haha gaming and high performance wise

 

I wouldn't pre-order these, just saying. I'd wait for reviews, don't be an early adopter.

And Crysis is no longer a problem, 7970M and 680M can both play it fine. I enjoyed playing Warhead again on the 7970M.

What's irritating for me is just PhysX. Every PhysX game so far has proven to be garbage for performance optimization on PC. Running on single thread on PC is idiotic.

So for me, IF I was to upgrade next year, it would depend on if the best new games of 2013 are using that Nvidia filth, if they do, may have to just go with it. Wish game developers would have more balls and principles instead of eating the filth.

 

Q2 will be the release of a successor, the 8800 series is a rebrand of the 7800 series while the other chips are a new piece of silicon that has never been launched before.

 

I don't think that they have announced the higher end cards yet. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 8970 or something along those lines pop up in the next little while. I think this first announcement is aimed more so at the mid-high level market but I have no doubt that they will release an enthusiast level card at some point.

I totally understand why people prefer Nvidia over AMD and for many years that's all I used was Nvidia but I just can't justify the cost difference anymore....my 7970m is working really well for me minus the enduro problems if I choose to run on the integrated card and my 6950 in my desktop has been rock solid since I bought it. I don't prefer one brand over the other but I can't say I have been to terribly disappointed by AMD either as I picked up my M17X with it as they were rolling out some of the new drivers.

 

Because
its
NOT
a
new
architecture
....

(We won`t see the jump 7970M had until the next architecture is here whatever it is going to be named)

 

If they manage to fully expose their settings in their own way, I would imagine a good 30% should be sufficient. Technology tends to impress us all the time. Lets just see, AMD wouldn't dare to release something with ~20% increase... I can't believe they would

 

cost is is weird in the graphics world lol its like buying a really nice truck from toyota and buy a really nice chevy prices can vary but there both really nice trucks LOL best comparison i could think of at the moment

 

Here is what Nvidia managed to squeeze out of Fermi:

GTX 460M
3DMark11: 1630
---------->
GTX 560M:
3DMark 11: 1843

13% better performance

GTX 485M:
3DMark 11: 2710
---------->
GTX 580M:
3DMark 11: 3130

15% performance increase

Thats why I said even +20% for architecture improvement is stretching it in my opinion

 

you know you got the worst examples possible, aside the 425m/430m/435m/525m/540m/550m/555m.

why? its not that they share the same arch, they are the same core. just a bump in clocks a better bin of the die and bam, new names.

you could have used the 480m to the 580m or the 470m to the 570m.

 

Don't get me started on nVIDIA lol, they only do it for the money, and their is so full of it that they can almost do whatever they want

Also thats officially one of the worst examples ever... same clocks Cloudfire, almost same, just a little higher

edit: Karamazovmm beat me to it -.- lol

AMD has to prove themselves, fermi didn't have to be stronger, as long as it was on pair or slightly stronger than the opponent (AMD) its ok

I BET my they've got a gentlemen's agreement that one and another cannot reveal something much stronger than another, this is probably how they "share" the market.

With technology expanding so rapidly, the nVIDIA showing their growth, AMD is definitely putting on their big shoes and going for something semi, something nVIDIA will respond to lol

There's no space for mistakes for AMD

 

No, 480M was an odd huge architecture mistake from Nvidia. I hardly think they do the same mistake again with Kepler. Same can be applied to AMD and their GCN.

470M ----------> 570M is still within my expectations, +15%.
All except 480M allign with this performance gain, which is why I`m sticking with my calculations

And jaug, why do you think they managed to increase the clocks on the cores and still keep the same power consumption? You find the word in my previous post

You people are going to be deeply disappointed if you think AMD have some bunny in their hat

 

Hey maybe you are right... we'll see

But AMD will sure as hell not disappoint me as much as nVIDIA did when they unveiled their newest 675M (rebrandend F** 580M lol) the new 675MX is a nice addition though

2013 is going to be interesting (I find myself saying that every year )

 

Yes we`ll see. I don`t really care anyway since I`m buisy with my 680M. I guess you are happy too?

Luckily AMD isn`t as lame as Nvidia pushing out rebrands of their greatest GPUs so the future looks promising

 

Im actually wondering how much power the 7870m packs, the 7850m reaches around 2700 on 3d mark11, I find it very uninteresting, cant for the life of me find some benchies post 12.11 beta drivers with some overclock

does anyone have some numbers? and yes i want the numbers for the 7850m, there is no 7870m in any notebooks AFAIK.

thanks anyone!

ok finally found one the oc is basically 865 core 1300 vram, from the standard, 675 core 1k vram

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4732727

3300, its nothing to write home about, it works as the 7770 works with very long gone drivers, actually a little bit better, I dont know how it fares against the 1ghz edition.

 

Hmmm, I'm currently at the checkout page for a sager 9170 with the 7970m. Should I wait until the release of 8970m? Or go ahead and just purchase the 7970m?

 

If you want to wait a few month, or more. Then don't purchase the 7970M.

If you need a gaming laptop now, then there's no reason to wait.

 

Put it that way, if you wait for 4 months you will be able to buy a laptop with 8970m+Intel new CPU/Motherboard+whatever new fancy stuff with laptop update that usually arrive with new cpu
And you will easily find plenty of used in perfect condition laptop for sales with 7970m just because people want to upgrade to the new cool thing.

 

I have a FirePro M6000, which is a 7870m.
With the latest drivers, and overclocked to 1000/1250, I could break 4k on the overall score, and about 3.7k on the graphic score. Will post the link later

 

thank you! much appreciated!

another thing that Im wondering is the tdp of this gpu, I know that the desktop version is around 75w, I wonder how much they could get out of the cores in terms of binning for the mobile. Its really a shame that the 7870m or the 7850m didnt get into more notebooks, their performance is around the 670m and more, however I suppose they consume less in terms of power and have a thermal budget that is lower

 

its 43w
AMD FirePro M6000 | techPowerUp GPU Database

or just a hair under a GT650M for power consumption @ 45w

 

me love you long time! thank you!

I wonder why apple didnt go for the 7850m or the 7870m, they are miles ahead in terms of power to the 650m

 

Here we go
This was run with the 12.11b4 driver, I have yet to test the latest one (12.11b11)

 

no freaking kidding. plus it may have slowed the mass exodus of graphics and media creators whom cant deal with the abysmal performance of Kepler GPU's in OpenCL from abandoning the Macintosh platform in its entirety.

 

thanks!

and imagine this performance is close to the 675m, miles and miles ahead of the 650m, its exactly like having a full blown 7770 in a notebook.

well at least they can correct that mistake now, the 7870m will indeed be the 8870m

 

Would be nice if we saw a few more design wins for AMD, maybe once enduro has matured and the issues have been ironed out.

 

If you want to get something now, then get the 675MX. Don't bother waiting for the 8970M, that won't be released until probably June/July 2013. Pre-Order likely available in May. But I would not pre-order until you KNOW that it's functioning as advertised. It should run about as fast as their desktop counterpart. Right now the 7970M even when clocked up to desktop Ghz editions, is still about 15-20 FPS slower than their desktop counterpart.

I personally enjoy using my 7970M. But i seem to be in the minority. People have BSODs and weird issues with games that I get 100 FPS in, whatever. I say save chance of having headache since I don't see many postings on issues with current generation of Optimus machines. Also a bunch of recent games use the horrendous, awful, garbage PhysX which pretty much make AMD machines run like poo.

That and you have to suffer through Ubisoft, Gearbox Software, ID Software and Epic Games perpetually taking huge poops and urinating on AMD users. Surprisingly, Activision and EA are very AMD friendly.

 

Source: Tom's Hardware - AMD Radeon HD 8790M: Next-Gen Mobile Mainstream Graphics Preview

 

Eh, considering that the 7970m has great performance and is on par with the 680m, I'll stick with the 7970m.

However, the fact that the enduro was a such a huge problem on laptops like clevo. I was wondering if the next gen clevo will be designed so that enduro can be completely disabled, like the Alienware. And the fact that new CPUs are also coming out with the possibility that the 8970m will perform great. These are the main points why I'm still struggling, should I get the 7970m now or wait it out?

 

I wouldn't judge whether you're in the minority based on what you read on the forums. People don't make threads to say they're satisfied with their cards, they make threads when they're angry and having problems. I'm another happy 7970m owner, this card has been a joy to own. Sure, the drivers aren't perfect, but from my experience they're not nearly as bad as I've heard some people say they are. I don't get BSODs at all, the only issue I have is I have to run Crysis 2 and Far Cry 3 in borderless windowed mode to prevent crashing. I'm optimistic AMD will fix that bug and then I won't have any complaints whatsoever.

The 7970m is an excellent value imo. I'm looking forward to seeing what AMD can do with the 8970, but I agree with you that it would be wise to wait and see if there are any problems before buying. I avoided the 7970m because of Enduro until the beta drivers were coming out, but I would have been pissed if I bought the card and had to deal with 6 months of major underutilization in a bunch of games.