Incoming: AMD 9970M

Yeah I agree. Now they are using the worst names ever, like R9 which means series 9 and then add 240, 250, 250X etc etc. Why not just do 9770, 9850 9970 etc...?

Depending on the efficiency of this new architecture, 9970M whatever it will be called, might actually beat GTX 780M. It depends on how high they can clock the GPU.

Will be interesting to see for sure. Probably not beating 780M as much as it is worth replacing your 780M, but will probably draw in more new customers due to price and perhaps overclocking ability

 

Why is naming scheme bad for you? It's simple and smart, remember 9800GTX < GTX280?

Change is good. (it's "next generation afterall)

 

I think the rename is really bad since its not really new architecture. They should name it 9000 for this time and THEN with 20nm rename it.
It probably will be as fast as 780m, but I doubt its going to OC as well.
Of course, will be cheaper, but I think the price diference will be smaller compared to 780m vs 8970m.
In the end i think it will be a good competition, if AMD doesnt screw up with drivers this time.

 

The naming is nothing new. R9-XXX is the engineering model name of the silicon. Numbers like 7870 and 7970M are consumer model names of GPUs based on those silicon chips.

It's like GK110 vs GTX Titan or GK104 vs GTX 680.

 

Are you sure about that? I dont remember hearing anout any R8s or R9 from GCN a few years back before they were released

 

Oops, got confused by the old RXXX naming and this new R*-XXX.

It looks like the * following R is the chip indicates which die it is (R5 is low end while R9 is high end) and the first X is the generation number (2 for this gen). The later two X's is the GPU version number. I need to do a bit more reading before I can be sure.


The Tahiti chip (7970, W/S9000) is a GPGPU compute monster that's just terrible at traditional 3D rendering. The Pitcairn chip (7870, 7970M) is more like a graphics processor.

 

Yup tomorrow is the day. I hope they also announce 9970M :thumbsup:

Live stream here:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bHfmM6QYWNM

 

R3d was completely right. :thumbsup:

http://anandtech.com/show/7368/amd-gpu-product-showcase-live-blog

 

The good thing for me is that the price for 7970M will go down after release 9970M

 

OK guys so this R9 290MX (or whatever the heck this crazy new naming system calls it) will be equivalent to that desktop R9 270X with 5,500 in 3DMark Firestrike? Seems about right as that would make it equal to NVIDIA's GTX 780M.

OK I'm just gonna call it the 9970M until I can wrap my head around this mad naming scheme.

OK so from what I gather:

R9 290X is meant to replace the 7970
R9 280X is meant to replace the 7950
R9 270X is meant to replace the 7870
R7 260X is meant to replace the 7850
R7 250 is meant to replace the 7790

The 'X' suffix is equivalent to NVIDIA's 'GTX' prefix, while those without it are equivalent to NVIDIA's 'GT' prefix. Am I right? Or are the 'R9' and 'R7' prefixes taking up that role? Oh god I am confused. AMD, why would you do this to us? :S

 

So was there any mention of a new mobile gpu at amd's media event cant seem to find any news on it?

 

I think amd call it r9 290m

i hope this will be a underclocked r9 280x!

the r9 270x would make no sense for me

cause that be the third 7970m!

 

To be honest the event wasn't all that great, ended up falling asleep when the second guy arrived to talk about sound design, the first one was already long winded enough, anyways I felt most the people who talked came to showcase their own products, be it Genaudio or the game devs, I watched the end part this morning and saw no detailed mention of the mobile gpu's, unless I somehow missed it ...

 

Doesn't look like much to glean from the event. Not much detail anyway! We got the parts confirmed for the desktop and a couple of nifty features especially the audio and mantel but nothing in depth about the specifications of the cards.

It looks like we will need to wait for hands on reviews of the upcoming cards before we know much more...thanks AMD.

 

We got some bad news yesterday.

The only new cards are R9 290 and 290X. The rest are rebrands. Like R9 280X, that card is a 7970GHz.
Which means that our 270X, which was said to be our 9970M will be a rebrand too.

Which means, that there might not be a 9970M.

 

As I thought there has and is no chatter on a new AMD mobile flagship. This is somewhat a fizzer.

 

good for me then....i am building a gtx 780m sli laptop

 

Same here as mine will arrive in like 1 week or so

 

There will definitely be a 9970M (R290MX whatever it's called) but I don't think it will exceed the GTX 780M in performance, but definitely equal it. I can certainly see them being equally matched.

Lets face it, the 28nm fab has been pushed to the limit. We need 20nm before we can get more significant improvements. It's not that long to wait, only next year. I fully expect by summer of 2014 for new 20nm cards to be released, mobile too. For now, just have patience and be glad that it gives us time to save enough moneys to actually buy it!

 

A smaller process simply allows for more transistors on chip. Architectural changes can contribute to a lot of performance improvements. AMD's architecture has changed for these new chips. There is no way for you to predict whether it will be worse or better than nvidia. You can't push a process node to its limit. There's always research in architecture that you can do to get improvements. That is why every process node usually lasts through two or even three generations before they move on to the next one.

 

Yeah the 5000 to 6000 series which were both on 40nm was a big jump. But seeing as the 780M is already 30% more powerful than the stock 680M (which the stock 7970M is equal to) it'd take a seriously impressive new architecture to significantly outperform the 780M. The 5870M to 6970M was about 30% difference if I'm not mistaken, wasn't it? So for this new architecture, which is an evolution of the existing GCN so basically GCN 2.0, to significantly outperform the 780M would take a 50% leap over the 7970M. 50% leap in architecture alone. Now, I believe that that jump is possible when combined with a die shrink, but just the architecture alone? - I'm not so sure.

Who knows, I may be wrong but I get the feeling that the new "9970M" will be an underclocked R9 280X with stock performance around the R9 270X - just a hunch I have. We'll see in the coming months

 

R290X = New chip
R280X = 7970GE rebrand
R270X = 7870XT rebrand (Tahiti LE)
R260X = 7790 rebrand

Notice a complete lack of Pitcairn (7870) there? Also these are just rebrands :/

 

The r9 270x is an optimized tahiti le
with 1792 stream processors and
got a 256 bit memory interface

next mobile amd with this chip
will beat the gtx 780m for
sure

 

it's should be crippled HD 7950 desktop, so yes...it will beat any mobile GPU.

 

If AMD could make a mobile card out of Tahiti LE, wouldn't they have done so with the 8970M?

 

Let's hope. I wouldn't expect anything less. I imagine after nearly a year they would at least be able to compete with NVIDIA on a level playing field.

 

As long as AMD is willing to get to NV's power consumption level, it should be.

 

A 120W TDP chip? No thanks...

Let's hope Nv actually return to 680M power consumption levels next gen.

 

Pitcairn is more efficient per watt than taihiti as it has less wasted space on compute and other reasons.

 

no they wouldnt. there is a lot of work with next gen consoles atm so pc sector is neglected atm.

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Benchmarks of desktop R9 280X & R9 270X: Google Translate

Firestrike:
280X: P8112
270X: P6063

What can we expect on the mobile part, 10-20% down from 270X?

 

270x = 7870 = 7970m, so new 9970m cant be based on 270x....

 

I think there comes no new highend
card from amd in 28nm.

Must i really buy the expensive gtx 780m

or should i wait till end of next year?

 

Do you need to upgrade just now?

 

I wanna play bf4 on highest settings with 2msaa.
I don't know if mantle work on hd 7970m.
Next i wait for gta 5 and the witcher 3

 

Now that is just silly, you will play those games fine, I would wait if I were you... (well maybe not W3, I think that game will challenge even the most recent rigs)

And Mantle will work on all GCN gpu's, 7970m is GCN, do the math...

 

Ive been playing the beta now a couple of days on the 8970m and it runs really well. Everything on high with ssaa, 2xmsaa, texture, texturefiltering, decals, terrain set to ultra. I will go no lower then 40ich when its chaos and up to 60fps when hell isnt knocking with 64 players.

 

Looking forward to it, though I feel the power draw is quite high.

 

Mantle will work on all GCN cards, of which the 7970M (Desktop 7870) is one.

Why? Why wouldn't we want the strongest, most power consuming GPUs we can possible fit in the highest end of gaming notebooks?

This isn't 2009 anymore, sir. We have Optimus and Enduro to tuck the babies into bed while they aren't needed in the spotlight, preserving precious battery life.

So before I accept that there's no logic to such a thought, try sharing yours with me.

 

People probably won't be using dGPU's on battery anyway, so I don't see a problem in a 120W GPU (if its required to rival Nvidia's top card) if the cooling is executed properly.
Manufacturers need to work on this particular problem in laptops generally.

 

my R4 CPU runs hotter than hell but the 7970 can't even break 65C with small overvolt. The thing hits 65c and than fan turns on for 10s gets it down to 60C and turns off -_- The thing could support a huge GPU...if the CPU only had the same fan :/ I runs at 90c at 45 watts :'(

 

^ You might want to reTIM your CPU there friend.

 

been reTIMed....stock tim i was hitting 100c at 40-45w -_-

Depending on surrounds temps i run 80-90C. Right now throttling to 40-42w with 80-87C per core. The heatsink is garbage in the R4 and the pressures suck. I have pressure readings some where and they suck. Granted i am using HS so that is hurting me do to crap pressure but ICD wasn't much better. I need to find a way to increase pressure but don't have the time to fittle so i throttle in F@H :/

 

Well, since AMD 9970M (or 290XM) was not released in October, i wonder if i should just go with a 8970M for my new Clevo P150SM.
What do you guys think?

I guess i could wait till the end of the year, but this waiting without any announcements or leaks is killing me.

 

i say go for it. 8970m plays all games on ultra so why not...either that or a ps4

 

8970M is just an OC'd 7970M. If you can afford it, please please go with GTX 780M.

 

last i heard the 7970/8970 was several hundred cheaper but yea if it isn't a couple or few hundred cheaper get 780m

 

GTX 780M cost $789
8970M cost $529
GTX 680M cost $549

 

In about six months:

GTX 880M $799
GTX 780M $550
GTX 680M $400
8970M $350