Incoming: AMD 9970M

How did you get up to 1450 memory clock?

The furthest I can go on my 8970M is 1375 according to AMD Overdrive.


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I really hope the 9970m is not a rebrand...that would be insane. The 8970m was already outdated by eons when it came out, if the 9970m is indeed a rebadge, AMD will be bankrupt by the end of 2014.

 

I'm hugely disappointed we aren't on 20nm litho yet. Shocker!

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I flash the vbios. Don't use software. 950/1450 are more or less at the stable limit at stock 1.05V voltage. Not bad really.

 

Anandtech posted some upcoming MSI notebook pictures and i found above photo. 2GB M290X...

 

Weird. 8970M has 4GB I thought. A straight-up rebrand with a REDUCTION in vRAM? Let's see about that..

 

Useless vram anyway..

 

The sticker on the laptop says it is a GX70 and looks pretty close to it. I can't decipher the first digit on the APU, it could be a 6 or a 5. If it is a 6 then there you have the first spotted mobile Kaveri APU.

In any case the 8970M of the GX70 has 2GB of VRAM.

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GX70

 

A picture with the placard below the notebook (also linked a couple posts ago) says it's a A10-5750m.

 

OK It's another rebrand. Here's the AMD official specifications.

 

Of course mate but it also says it has a M290X GPU when on the laptop it says it has a 8970M.

Nevertheless I was trying to show that the GX70 has 2GB of VRAM too.

Oh my, it is even worse than expected.

 

8970M vs M290X Specs... Only thing changed is DX version, Which supported by both cards. AMD previously said they are going to release a driver update to enable DX 11.2 version.

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They say Nvidia is good at rebranding, but AMD is actually worse.

Nvidia had GTX 680M first with 1344 cores.
Then they released GTX 780M with 1536 cores. Then 880M which is a rebrand of GTX 780M.

AMD released 7970M which had 1280 shaders.
Then they released 8970m which is identical to the 7970M. Then they now release another rebrand of a rebrand, R9 M290X. Every step they just increased the shader clock by 50MHz.

I wonder how long we have to wait until we get some -real- upgrades? I hope we dont have to wait 6 months...

 

I'm mainly play BF3/BF4, so my decision to stay with AMD depend on the BF4 mentle performance.

 

According to the official specs there's no step whatsoever. No matter how you look at it, it is exactly a 8970M. That is a proper and genuine pure rebrand.

 

*move along, nothing to see here*

I'm getting real tired of your s**t AMD :|

 

The AMD APU supplied 8970M does have 2GB vRAM but the OEM version has 4GB.

Simples.

Same here, AMD gives 85-90% of performance of a GT780M for a much better value than nVidia. They really need to sack their account managers.

 

Oh yeah you are right. Both 8970M and M290x is running the exact same clocks.
Thats even worse

 

Today AMD is demonstrating mentle BF4 @ CES. Tomorrow I'll decide who's my next VGA card supplier.

 

Thats gonna be a bomb! Not sure if it will be on a suitable time for me, so I might just have to watch the replay.

Really excited to see what Mantle will bring to BF4 as better framerates are always welcome, expecially on 120Hz or overclocked displays.

 

This one? Not much information there really. "Up to 45% faster." With what? AMD mobile APUs which bottleneck the system? You found a way to remove some of the bottleneck to almost catch up with Intel?

Context:
A10 APU + 7970M: GTX 660M performance because of the APU bottlenecking the GPU
i7 CPU + 7970M = 7970M performance because there is no bottleneck

The devil might be in the details.

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Yes, exactly, that's one of the central aspects of Mantle. It's not only about the GPU, but also about the CPU. Reducing or even removing CPU overhead can boost the overall performance significantly.
DX is unnecessarily heavy on the CPU and only evolves very slowly, that's where Mantle comes in. Optimizing the memory model, making CPU - GPU collaboration much easier and more efficient and exposing all of the GPUs functionality.

That may currently be true for certain games, but it will most likely look a lot different with applications that use Mantle.


I'm not saying that AMDs x86 processors are magically better with Mantle, but the performance of games that make use of Mantle will see a very noticeable boost - because, yes, it should remove most of the CPU bottleneck.
APU + 7970m brings fantastic price / performance that is unmatched by any Nvidia / Intel combo.

 

Well, when you put it like that, it does sound exciting! If it really is a 45% increase in performance for GPU's in Battlefield 4 (regardless of Intel or AMD CPU), then that would really be something to write home about!

 

The new mobility RADEONs leaked today are a big disappointment - rebranded again.

I have a 7970m and know they are good, but I don't see how this is going to encourage upgrades and new sales.

 

I'll believe it when my sh11ty A-10 4600m stops bottlenecking the hell out of my 7970m in games witch use Mantle...

 

Hopefully that will be the case.

Although its a given that people should be staying away from AMD APUs, anyone that buys that instead of Haswell really need their head examined.

 

What a joke. How long does AMD think they can ride the old horse that is Pitcairn? If the cycle is six months, we're looking at having effectively no competition with nVidia's high end until Summer.

To be fair, nVidia has done straight rebrands of their mobile cards before e.g. 8800 GTX to 9800 GT (although they've never tried to milk the same exact chip in the high end for this long without a real refresh)

 

Euh isn't 780m pretty much a rebrand of 680m with higher clocks and gpu boost? and if rumors about 880m are true it will be a rebrand of 780m with clock boosts, so they are in the same boat, 680m was a better gpu than 7970m though, with waaaay more oc potential, that is why it felt less like a rebrand .

 

780M does have more cores enabled. Basically the same silicon but not rebrand.

 

Nopes.

GTX 680M had 1344 cores
GTX 780M had 1536 cores

You are right about GTX 880M though. That is a 780M rebrand

 

My bad, I forgot about that

 

AMD Radeon
1280 GCN cores... 850MHz/900MHz boost

 

LOL!

I take it thats the memory clock?

Funny stuff because thats what I run my 8970M at lol

 

So long story short: get yourself a 7970M or 680M and save money? LOL

 

Are we on the same page, mate? It says: "Engine Clock: 850 MHz Engine Clock ( up to 900 MHz with boost)"

 

Or dont get anything and wait for a realization miracle from AMD?

 

Or giggle to yourself because your now 2 year old GPU is still current gen ha ha ha!

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Just flash your 8970M to R9 M290X when you plan to sell your notebook. It will actually help you sell the notebook. Sadly...

Oh well atleast now we know the best strategy for next architectures. Buy the first high end card from them and never look back

 

Actually I feel glad having bought the 7970m when I did, at least I know it'll have proper drivers through this year, while AMD tries to optimise the drivers n the 8970 and this new re-re-hash

 

Exactly what I plan to do with my 7970M It's just a 2GB version of the R9 M290X.

Funny thing is, in AMD's case, the 7970M is better than the 8970M, since you can't overclock the memory on the latter. Plus, it's not like these cards can realistically utilize more than 2GB without abysmal framerates.

 

...and Nvidia

 

Just be careful that the memory on M290X match (type and amount) with your 7970M. Or else the flashing might brick your GPU

 

flashing the vbios with higher mem clock work? I know you can't OC memory from software programs.

 

Svl7 goes into great detail about his experience with the 8970M here. It's a good read. I hope this helps answer your question.

 

AMD, I am disappoint. How is MSI supposed to be convinced to make a GX60 3k edition if you can't even make a GPU worthy of it?

 

Hmm.. interesting.

 

Uuuuuuu, I personally love rebrands.
For one, I bought my 7970m's a while ago, and they've served me well and continue to do so.
Secondly, going a while without gigantic performance leaps will increase the customer base for that one specific product, and increase developer support and optimization at that performance level.
Third, I bought my cards at a very nice price (325$ each) before people expected a new gen, and now I'm sure I could sell them for 400$ each easy, since they're still basically the current-gen flagship.
Fourth, my 2010 (4-year-old machine) is still running great CPU power and a pair of GPU flagships only marginally slower than a non-OC'd 780M SLI. Certainly nothing to cry about.
In a way, delaying the new architecture and fab process release for a while makes me happy. It maximizes my time and satisfaction on my cards, and when they do hit eventually, they'll kick all kinds of hiney. At this point it's pretty much guaranteed that the next gen will either come late 2014 or mid-2015, hit on 22, 20 or 18nm fab, and use the refined Volcanic Islands arch in a way that hopefully won't burn a hole through our machines the way the current revision does. Admit it, that's one hot chip.

 

"I like rebrands because then I don't feel like my laptop is obsolete."

Have we really come to this?

 

CES 2014 - AMD M290X Mobile Graphics! Eyefinity Demo! - YouTube