Incoming: AMD 9970M

What a misleading video, considering the M290x is apparently identical 100% to the HD8970m, which is a 7970m with a small clock boost.

Very disappointing.

 

True that.

However I've got 2 years warranty which I'm planning to extend to 3 years, so I won't be selling it for quite a while I can assure you.

Also, pretty sure once AMD get their act together and release a new GPU I'll be thinking about putting it into my P370SM.

 

Does anyone know what the firepro m6100 is based off of?

My m8900(6970m) took a crap and dell is replacing it with a m6100....


Just going by amd specs it looks like it is a desktop r7 260?
FirePro M6100 768 @ 1075MHz 128 Bit @ 5500MHz

 

It would appear so. The M6100 seems to be pretty strong with such high clocks, albeit with 128-bit memory. I'm just surprised that Dell actually replaced your last-gen GPU with a GCN-era GPU.. Oh well hurray to warranty.

 

gcn but less powerful or not ?

 

Much faster.

 

Top google result:
Gamecube era

 

HA!

Btw, new BIOS is out for the 8970M. Perhaps with Mantle built in.

 

I can't lie, I'm guilty of feeling this. I'm just glad I now have more time to save up for the next generation of GPUs (as it looks like NVIDIA are rebranding with the 880M too). I'm OCD with having the latest and greatest.

 

who would think that windows 9 would be what gives me remorse about not having the latest and greatest...

 

This is partially wrong. Not sure if anyone hashed this still reading. If CPU is 80C and ambient is 30C and Heatsink is 60C if you add more heat pipes it will make it 70C CPU and 70C heatsink given the greater difference 70C to 30C there will be more heat transfer than before.

EDIT: Plus...that gives more room to further allow the temperature difference to grow. As i stated in tthe pass until the heat fins and the CPU die is ~ temp for temp there is room to improve. How much harder is it to get there? All depends on the bottle neck. I am curious on getting my 920xm up again and test the actual temp difference from CPU and heat fins

BTW it erks me that people give AMD crap for the m7790 m8890 m290x when they conveniently forgot nvidia did 680mx 780m 880m they had 2 rebrands too -_-

Don't get me wrong i was very suprised to only see nvidia boost cores and AMD to not follow...would it have been that hard to add 20% more cores? It isn't like the cooling systems can't handle it. We could hit i bet 150w TDP GPUs in these gaming laptops...such BS.

 

Well before you get yourself too 'erked' you might want to revisit the facts. I think you mean 7970m to 8970m to m290x - yes all text book rebrands.
680m to 780m isn't a rebrand. 780m to 880m looks to be a rebrand.

 

I think he acknowledged that when he said "nvidia boost cores and AMD to not follow". May not have been the most clearly presented argument but I'm sure people on this forum know our 680's and 780's well enough Adding cores is not a sustainable strategy though as with the current trend in downsizing the electrical system I bet even two 680M's cannot run at full potential in the AW 18 (if anybody cared to try that), not to mention 780M be it a strict rebrand or not.

 

well my 7970M overvolted can't even get the fan to ramp to max....let alone stay there -_- So i am sure i could fit a 125-150W TDP GPU with ease in my M17x

I added an edit to the post above to elaborating the temp thing more

 

Not to mention he said 680mx, not 680m. And the 780m is a rebrand of the 680mx.

 

680mx is like the 7990m we were hoping for

 

This + gaming laptop doesn't make sense. If you wanted the latest and greatest you'd be a desktop fanatic.

For less, every hardware in your P170SM is not the latest and greatest compared to desktop.

Keep buying laptops, but don't fool yourself into thinking you're OCD about having the latest and greatest when you're just getting mediocre and obselete and many times, stupid. Like your switchable graphics on a gaming machine. A subpar screen for a premium priced machine. Very slow ram. Very limited overclocking on a premium gaming rig. Worthless BIOS for a premium gaming rig. Stupidly terrible warranty and support, chalk full of proprietary rubbish and constantly being kicked in the balls by Clevo, Intel, Nvidia etc.

 

OMG you are quite the whiner aren't you? we got it, you hate Clevo, you hate Enduro, and now you hate laptops, I hate to break it too you but we couldn't care less ! Maybe you should move on to desktopforumreview.com at least we wont have to read your BS .
I am sorry if I come off as a jerk too but since I have been a member on these forums you have been rehashing the same things, I think we all understood the first few hundred messages, the desktop thing is new, bravo to you to have finally realized that desktops are more powerful, I am pretty sure no one here doubts this or ever has .
That said people buy laptops for different reasons, portability being the main one, I personally couldn't have anything else even if I wanted too, just because I move around way too much, my whole life must fit into a 23kg suitcase, and carry on bag, laptops are also more practical, you can use them everywhere, desk, kitchen table, bed, couch, on a plane, in a train etc etc for that factor alone it would be hard for me to go back to desktop .
Desktops consume waaaay more electricity (powerful ones anyways) so unless you are living at mom and dad's house this could also be a limiting factor, we are not all rich by a long shot, even a dozen euros at the end of the month in my pocket is better than in another bill .
This is also what makes desktops more powerful, in case you did not put two and two together .
Anyways just my two cents, different strokes for different folks, stop being condescending, and you might just be respected in return, saying things like "I'll be joining the smart ones" only makes you look like a jerk and a complete fool .

 

Gaming Laptops make perfect sense for amateur competitive gamers like me because we like going to tournaments and I'd like you see you haul a giant desktop computer around every other week + monitor + keyboard + mouse WITHOUT A CAR. With a gaming laptop I can fit everything in a backpack and yes, not breaking my back is definitely worth the price. The dumbest argument you can make is comparing the specs of a laptop to a desktop. It's like saying buying a smartphone is a ripoff because for $600 you can get a much better desktop computer. You're comparing specs across genres which is just stupid.

 

Lol, I hope you know this forum is called NotebookReview...

By going what you said, I can pretty much tell you if you keep that up there is no point for you to be on this site at all.


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are they going to release the 9970m or not ? im confused.

 

Yes not under that name though, and it will be a rebrand of 8970m which in turn is a rebrand of 7970m, albeit with slight clock boosts each rebrand .

 

9970M is R9 M290X. 9970M name was picked before AMD went all crazy on the GPU names.

But good news is that AMD will release 20nm mobile GPU this year that is the true successor to 7970M. Not the sucky rebrands we have out now.
So for everyone looking to buy new hardware, hold yer horses until 20nm comes.

That is what I will do.

 

easy to do with an sli of GTX 770M or a GTX 680M

 

As i always say die shrinks for the win I can't believe how damn long my IB 7970m laptop has lasted lol.

 

Sure, but I think you have an exceptional example of a system with everything optimised in every aspect: excellently pasted, excellently mounted heatsink, maybe a particularly efficient heatsink unit (not the make & model, but the particular individual unit you have), kept spotlessly free from dust. If you add in all those factors then I can understand why you get such good cooling performance. The problem is, not everyone's laptop is like that, even if they have the same specced model as yours. There's too many loose tolerances in parts & assembly for every unit to operate at your cooling level. We hear enough problems with peoples GPUs overheating. If they start wacking in 125W GPUs as standard, then they'll need to beef up the cooling or tighten the tolerances: one or the other, or both.

 

Too late for me.

Anyways hopefully it should be compatible with the current boards, so I'll just get the GPU on its own when it's released.


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nope the GPU heatsink is just properly made...the thing is horrible uneven and the CPU cooling is a joke. I can barely get 45-55 watts of cooling on the CPU. You look at the CPU cooler verse the GPU cooler and you can see wy the CPU eats it. The GPU cooler is the same on M17x and M18x on the m18x i beelieve it has the same cooler for the CPU hence why the CPU doesn't eat it. It was just made to actually do the job not just barely survive like the CPU. I complaint (B----) about the CPU all the time.

I have never heard anyone with an m17x complain about GPU temps...CPU? another story. I wish the M18x wasn't so much more money compared to the M17x because i would love the better CPU cooling because i need better single thread performance. Opera eats crap at 3.8Ghz :/ I could dig 4.5 GHz XM chip

I have talked about how my G51j...one of the worse laptops in the world in cooling has almost as good stock cooling as my m17x. After modding the out of my G51j i was able to get 70 TDP with a little room. this thing if any dust gets in it It throttles like an err butt. The GPU though i have never needed to clean it. The CPU has to be cleaned all the time :/ The fan is like 3x bigger on the GPU compared to the CPU and the heatsink has much better pipes....maybe bigger heatsink...can't remember.

 

Sorry, I don't agree, I read of problems of people having GPU overheating all the time, in M17x systems too (although praps not as often). Current laptop GPU cooling systems aren't designed to cope with 125W GPUs, there would be problems unless they beefed up the cooling or improved their assembly tolerances. (I don't dispute that your individual unit of a system can cope with a 125W GPU, but I've already explained the reason for why that's the case.)

 

again i highly doubt my system has this magical cooling ability you speak of. Using HS in it too and it isn't quite as good as TS due to crap heatsink...are they dumb enough to use stock TIM? When i had stock time i was hitting 90C at 35 watts on the CPU lol and GPU ran hot. Their TIM and ability to apply it are crap. That must be a the issue. Or are they dumb enough not to prop it up an inch? If i ran stock TIM and had it flat on the ground min would run hot i bet....or at least at full fan speed. Though you have to be a newb not to realize you almost always need to reTIM and prop the laptop up. I have dealt a lot with cooling and this laptop particularly and it isn't anything special. Just actually designed to not suck....or melt. (GPU that is).

Here is a great solution for those that have over heating issues and dont want to repaste.

Cheapest laptop cooler in the world! using plastic bottles?!?!?!?!?!? - YouTube



I anyone reading this with an M17xR4 with a 7970m reporting any overheating? Assuming you have dusted it, dont use crap TIM, applied it correctly, and have it raised even a 1/4 of an inch?

I have seen many people overclock their 7970m in the thread i made and never once heard of over heating or any high temps....thats why i say you are greatly mistaken

I have read every single post in this thread and i can not even recall one post saying temps were high let alone over heating
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...ards/661854-7970m-how-high-can-overclock.html

Sorry not trying to be a D but i have never heard of a GPU in this laptop "overheating"

 

My 8970M is OC'd to 950/1300 and I get 86C max while playing BF4. Wonder if I can crank it up even more...

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Yes, laptop cooling systems are designed around stock TIM and the customer not having to reapply their TIM to make it work properly, this is one of the tolerances that I was speaking of. Until they tighten up those tolerances &/or beef up the cooling systems they won't be putting 125W GPUs in their systems - or at least it would be a folly to do so. Anyway I'm done talking on this matter, I don't have anything more to add.

 

Which program you used to OC the GPU? Is it a BIOS flash?

 

Yep. Same with GTX 680M. The great overclocking potential made it easy to harvest more power if you needed.
The golden rule seems to be to just buy the first high end of a die shrink and stay with it until next die shrink+architecture comes out

That is absolutely a route you can go. The new cards will most likely still use MXM 3b connection. It all comes down to wether your BIOS supports the new hardware or not.

 

Just used the Performance/Overdrive function within CCC.

That's good news, BIOS should support it as it's a mySN/Clevo machine. Anyways, I'll be flashing Prema's BIOS mod at some point so that shouldn't be an issue.


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When the next gen comes out, I'll sell my 8970M and buy AMD high end card. I saved around £250 by not going with 780M, so i can use that saving to buy the next upgrade. BTW how to enable overdrive, it seems missing from my CCC.

 

Good idea mate, I saved quite a few pennies by going for the 8970M as well. The 780M is just ridiculously priced IMO, no idea how rich people have to be to get 2 of those put into a notebook. Ferrari rich perhaps.

Missing?? Thats weird. Are you running the latest 13.12 CCC mate?

Its in the Performance tab and looks a little bit like this:

 

Yes it's 13.12

 

Check my previous post again, I added a pic that should help you.

 

Da Faq.... i don't have a performance tab...maybe because of the enduro?

 

Hmm... I doubt that.

CCC should still let you control all aspects of the AMD GPU regards of built-in graphics.

 

Hmmm anyway I'm going to clean install the system tomorrow and probably do a repaste as well. I'll try to OC again after that.

 

Ok mate, still strange though.

You should try removing CCC completely with driver cleaner then install the latest version again.

 

now someone is trying to back peddle and cover their tracks. We are talking about enthusiast computers here....what enthusiast doesn't take control over their system? Manufacture doing a fast crap TIM job is irrelevant to what the system can do. That is like saying the system was assumed to get clogged with dust and therefor keeping it clean is irrelevant to not sticking a bigger processor in there. -_- These systems are not made to assume an idiot is going to use it. Again this isn't a macbook

Does an idiot with no knowledge buy a 5 grand server workstation?

 

So it's not worth waiting for the m290X and I should just go for the 8970m? I don't want to wait till the end of the year to buy a laptop until the supposedly new "20nm GPU's" are released

Does the m290x offer any benefits to the 8970m? Is it cooler running?

 

Those two are the exact same GPU. You can probably rename the 8970M to M290x if you want

 

7970m=8970m=290x

680m<680mx=780m=880m

I would get a later batch of 7970m or an 8970m. Whatever is cheapest. My 7970m sucks because it was first batch GPU and doesn't overclock worth crap :/

8970/290x have a 50 mhz over clock...you can do that yourself. Anyone can get 900/1400 overclock. That is easy. I can only get that far with first batch 7970m but with the newest ones 950-1000 should be possible with 1400-1500 mhz ram.

A huge thread exists on this called "how high can you overclock your 7970m" or something like that. Just go a google search i created that thread so add my name in search

 

Why don't you post in this section? May be Maxwell is more suited to your needs due to its lower power consumption? May be you don't need to wait until the 20nm Maxwell? May be you can do away with something other than a 8970m?

 

man you guys are nuts, just get a 6970m