MSI's HD4670 is running in my Acer 5920G

Acer aspire 5940 seems to have 4650 1gb DDR3 ON THEM?

 

I really don't know. You know that C90s has some problems with them, so don't expect plug'n'play, if it plays at all (which is the case with 5920G + 9600M GT).

Why? Aren't you satisfied?

It does, but that doesn't changes the fact that it's MXM 3.0

 

Are you sure, is it really mxm 3.0? If it had been MXM 3.0 I think it should use 5650 or GTS 250m not 4650.

 

Missed that question, no its a great card I just want to get a second card for my desktop.

I'll let it go for £170 delivered if anyone is interested.

 

Is MXM 3.0 on newer laptops able to handle future upgrades?

 

4670 from acer is mxm 3.0, why not a DDR3 4650?

 

Don't confuse MXM 3.0 (the standard) with MXM-III (the card format).
MXM 3.0 means an MXM-A or MXM-B card, and since Acer's more or less moved completely to those two, you should expect all future releases to be in that format.

Remember, MXM 2.x (that would be MXM-II and company) had a memory speed specification limit of 800 MHz, and MXM 3.0 lets cards go beyond that.

 

I find this amusing:

Upgrading Video Cards
YOU CAN'T UPGRADE YOUR GRAPHICS CARD!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=383560


Video cards cannot be upgraded Eh? by what means? Replacing via MXM or External video card, over-clocking or driver revision? Thats seems pretty dated and misleading.

 

Actually in most cases it's true (if we talk about internal solutions). Among the affordable brands, only Acer and MSI supports MXM. On the other side we have external solutions, which are pretty capable (ViDock; DIY ViDock) and they would be even better, when ExpressCard 2.0 kicks-in (bigger bandwidth).

You know what is best for you For me gaming on the go is very important.

 

Express Card 2.0 should be a huge improvement, maybe we can see see external cards being able to handle something more high end.

 

but its gonna come out in a few years...for now DIY Vidock is handicapped but the results are excellent...

 

I thought express slot 2.0 products are to hit the market in 2010?

 

Does anyone knows if the HD4670 from msi gx623 and from msi ex625 are both mxm2?

 

It's MXM II. The EX623/625's component layout does not allow the machine to utilize anything bigger due to dimension restrictions.

 

ex625 yes confirmed, gx623 not sure, not confirmed ith an eye wittness but I think it must be Mxm 2.1. You may choose any 6930g will be good for 5920g, but 8935g' s are incompattible.

 

For now yes I assume it will be possible to use up to hd 5670 on any of them(like 5937g) but mxm-b type will need bigger lappies(17") due to bigger graphic card size.

 

I don't confuse 5650 will be MXM-A and gt250m is MXM-B. But they are both MXM 3.0 but all 4650 models I ever know is MXM-II, MXM-2.1. So 5940g has 1gb ddr3 (800Mhz bot 900Mhz) HD 4650 on it. And the backplate is half size making it impossible to reach the gc from backside for visual confirmation. So I assume it there is a possibility(may be little but still possibility) of getting an ATI Mobility HD 4650 1Gb GDDR3 with an Acer bios on it.

 

Both - EX625 and GX623 are MXM-II

Well, now you know one that's MXM-A The model has barely anything in common with the type. The type (2.1 or 3.0) is up to the manufacturer's good will. Don't forget that there are two versions of HD4850 (MXM-III (Alienware M17) and MXM-B (I don't know, but I know that there is one)), as well as two versions of HD4670 (MXM-II (EX625/GX623) and MXM-A (8935G)) and not to mention the countless soldered-to-the-MoBo versions

 

Well good luck trying to carry around a Vidock... its very portable... HAHA!

 

Its a sh** load better than Intel integrated sh**.

Expresscard 2.0 is supposed to be released sometime in 2010.
Hopefully there may be a way to plug it into the laptops existing monitor by then as well.

 

That's what I meant. I would only buy MXM enabled laptops from now on, even though is not easy at all to find a good GPU for upgrade.

 

Hey triturbo can you by chance rerun 3dmark 06 at stock gpu's clocks at 1280x1024.

 

Look at this benchmark.
Amazing!
A 1 box question
Does anyone can find where the 9500M GS is in this benchmark list?
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?cpu=GeForce+9700M+GT

 

@Rorschach - I'll try around Christmas, when a friend of mine returns, because I don't have an external display here in Bulgaria

@erig007 - Are you kidding I found strange that SLi/CrossFire enabled GPUs perform equal or worse than their solo brothers and sisters.

 

Lots of factor must be taken into account.

I'm suspecting the same problem than high speed dual cores compare to slow quad cores for games
a high clocked core can be faster for games than a low clocked quad core

Non optimized drivers can affect results too (micro stuttering) so i'm not surprised.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1317582

 

I am planning to buy a Copper Shim Spacer like this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160379197216 for my acer 6930g Does any one know what thickness will I need?

 

If you're talking about the GPU, I'm using a 1mm one with my card and it works fine. I don't there's much clearance for anything thicker than that.

 

I found that british guy on ebay he answered me that 25x25x0.9mm was the closests size he can find as Copper Shim Spacer. Actually he sells hp staff. Will that size be enough for 6930g should i not buy? Some guy in Turkey wants to trade a 3650 512mb ddr2 m86 qimonda from toshiba a300-25v with my 8600mgt 256mb ddr2 Which bios do I need for acer 5920g do you know triturbo?

 

Here are the 1280x1024 runs. Both are on battery, so the results could be a little bit worse than plugged-in



My new heatsink is installed and ready for use. Now I can work on my old one and I'll still have a working laptop Which is better, fan of the new heatsink has wider opening and I don't know if that's the reason, but with this heatsink I can see -10ºC Once I finish my work with the old heatsink, I'll swap the fans to see if I'm right.

 

a couple of questions.... is a HD2400 xt MXM 2.1?
secondly... with the answer to that question in mind, how do u reckon the compatibility is for the 4670 into an Extensa 5620G?

 

i got overexcited then... found someone who wanted to sell a '4670' but turns out he pressed the wrong number :'( its a 4570. never mind

 

Does anybody know the specific dimension for a copper shim for the gpu of the 5920g? Are there also any european online stores that sell those?

 

Its funny how much more bulky that cooling system is compared to mine

 

Congratulations Triturbo, nice upgrade.

Maybe you should try a 0,6mm thick sheet of copper.0,9mm was too thick for me. That did improve my temps a lot. From 95+° to 86° in Furmark@700mhz gpucore.

 

Thanks, mate When I have free time, I'll give it a go.

 

Hello there.

This question i could maybe answer by myself, with a lot of research, but why not ask some very competent people, who has been on this field for a long time

Now for the Acer 5920g.

I have considered the following cards.

ATI HD Mobility 3650 (M86)

nVidia Geforce 9500M GS (NB9P-GE1)

nVidia Geforce 9650M GT (NB9P-GT)

ATI HD Mobility 4650 (M96)

ATI HD Mobility 4670 (M96-XT)

now, i know there are ddr3 and ddr2 versions. And my question is not which card does the best job.

But which card gives most "bang for the $buck$

I myself would say the nVidia Geforce 9650M GT, just a bit more expensive than the HD 3650 one. (the ddr2 versions)

am i correct? or not?

 

Isn't the 9650M GT just a higher clocked 9600M GT? I don't know if it'll work with the blacklist or not. I'm not sure how card prices stack up now since I kind of stopped caring about prices after I got my 4670M

But for TDP, it runs something like this

9650MGT < 9500M GS < 3650M < 4650M = 4670M

You want to consider how much heat your laptop can dissipate.

And you've already pretty much place the cards in ranking order but bang for the buck I would say 9650M GT. If I remember correctly, the 9650M GT should be near $100. That card is pretty much the middle ground. You get slight increments in performance going from 3650M ($60) to the 9500M GS ($80?) and then the 9650M GT ($110). If you go further to the 4650 ($200) which is like a 50% increase over the 9650M GT assuming that it's all DDR2, then that's where you get a huge performance price gap.

 

Thank you for the reply!

So what i can understand from it is: The 4650 and 4670 is the ones producing most heat.

And 9650m gt the least. "BTW i have a 5920g and from what i have heard or read, the 9600m card does not work, but the 9650 does. 9500m should too but its weak i think, but i have the 8600m gs. i only get like 2500 3dmarks 06. i also have the weakest processor. t5550 "

Gddr3 beats ddr2, but do GDDR3 versions produce more heat als0?

My über wish is to get the 4670 GDDR3 version. from MSI, where to get it, well no idear hehe.

But the 4650 ddr2 seem attractive also, but the price there is like 245$ from MXM-Upgrade.

Would the hd3650 GDDR3 version beat both 9650m gt (ddr2) and 4650(ddr2)?

Thanks again the the quick reply, and nice job.

 

It's hard to say whether a 3650 GDDR3 will beat a 9650M GT DDR2 but it's not going to beat a 4650 DDR2. You're going to need someone whose actually tried both to tell you. GDDR3 RAM should run cooler than DDR2 since the power requirements are lower. Unless you have a modded system like triturbo, I don't recommend the 4650 and 4670. It took me and him some trial and error with physical components and him helping me with undervolting to get it working on both ends.

 

Thanks alot for your response.

Now if it ever came into question, and i did somehow obitain a 4650/70 card. Could we maybe find out about something, lets say like some guideness, in tweaking/configuering and cooling the system properly(undervolting also) ?

taangberg.

 

Check out my thread in my sig for that stuff ;P

 

We could but Classic77 and triturbo both have the 5920G while I have the 6930G so they have loads more experience than I ever would with the 5920G. triturbo's been rather busy lately with his new job also.

 

Hi guys, I have a problem with overheating hd 4670 on my 5920g. My friend borrow me this card from ex625
T7300, 4gb ram 800mhz, HD4670 @1,1V Windows 7 64bit
Screen: yfrog Fullsize - 45963128.jpg I changed the voltage on 1.1v (I think so)
When i played in PES11 (1280x1024 High) temp is about 80-90 max but when i change resolution 1650x1050 high then acer itself turns off, i have to wait some time, vga is very hot i changed several times thermal past (arctic silver).The same things happen when i played in Nfs shift after one or two minute;/
@triturbo can you send me vbios from your hd4670 ? and what version of driver you installed ?

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Log from gpu-z PES11 (1600x1050 medium)
Gpu-z sensor log.txt - download - Darmowy hosting plików

 

At me the big problem = (
I haven't saved original vbios the mobility hd 4670 = (
Now it doesn't work = (
triturbo or darkcella can you send me vbios from your hd 4670?

Thanks!
Ruslan ([email protected])

 

triturbo and darkcella where you?
Your help is necessary =(

 

I have the exact same card as triturbo so can provide you with the original bios. How come you need it? Did you vbios OC without backing up your original bios? I recommend the latest drivers 10.11 or 10.10. They are better than 10.6 and 10.8 by far! Also don't bother bios OCing. It is much easier to use Rivatuner and safer.

edit: email sent to you with the vbios attached.

@darkcella your acer might be turning off due to lack of power. Perhaps you should look into getting a more powerful powersupply.

 

King of Interns, what happened to your 4870 card?

Someone should try that in an Acer

I still think that there is an MXM II 9700m GTS (not GT, the GTS has 48 shaders) which could seriously compete with the 4670, although it would definitely be hotter. The HP 8530w is my reason to think this exists. It was apparently released with a FX 2700m.

 

Nah I never had a 4870 lol. Would be impossible to fit an MXM III card into my machine it just wouldn't fit without removing the LGA 775 socket.

What you say about the 9700M GTS is interesting and I shall be doing some research I certainly would be able to handle the extra heat as my 4670 at 790/990 doesn't even hit 55C after hours in crysis

Shader wise the 4670 is more powerful though with the equivalent of about 66 nvidia shader processors.

edit: I looked on ebay and teh FX 2700M is defintely a MXM III card which probably means the 9700M GTS is too.

 

@darkcella

Its possible that you just need the latest bios for your acer5920g, when I had the old bios my laptop shut down all the time during gaming regardless of the temperature.

Its also ofc possible that your card just overheats, you just need to put a 0.9mm thick and 14mm*14mm square copper plate between your gpu and heatsink with some decent thermal paste (I used the one I got with my ati hd4670 from mxm-upgrade.com but AS5 will do just fine).

I'm not sure if you have done this but you should really take out your heatsink and change the paste on your cpu aswell. The thermal paste job on the acer 5920g is insane. I had temps of 92-94 celcius, after I changed the original thermal paste (they use way to much, theres more paste around the cpu than on it in fact) my temps dropped to 70-79 celcius under heavy load.

And last but not least, downclock it to 1.1 or 1.15 volt AND 600mhz instead of 675mhz.

I did al these things and my gpu runs around 86-91 celcius now which is a safe temprature (its best to keep it under 90 celcius).

 

I want also the 4670 with DDR3 Memory for my 5920G, but where i can buy this cart? Can anyone help me there?