Mobile GTX 1080

The card in Mr.Najsman review unit was odd shape MXM. So i dont know for sure.
But i think there will be at least some cards that will be standard MXM. Maybe the ones that dont need much tinkering by ODMs to put them in standard MXM format like 1060.

 

I think the idea that they might supply a stronger -- desktop 1080 rivalling card -- at a later point, probably one without those 512 cores deactivated, is worth considering. It could certainly happen. It's just that on that note, this mobile 1080 could be considered the logical successor to the 980M given the similarity of differences it holds with respect to its desktop counterpart.

 

1080 mobile was quoted with a 150W TDP. so there are two possibilities: either theres gonna be a REAL desktop 1080 in mobile with 180-200W TDP in the future or this gimped version is IT... nothing to do with temps, its just what nvidia decides...

oh and besides: 1080 mobile has 20% less shaders than desktop 1080

not a good comparison, since the 980M was rather a gimped 970 desktop than a 980 desktop. this was actually (almost) always the case with the mobile flagship being derived from the second tier desktop gpu.

again, only almost correct. the 980M had LESS cores than the 970 and EVEN less than a 980. 980M is a 970 derivative, whereas the 1080 mobile has more cores than a 1070 desktop but less cores than a 1080 desktop. hence my comparison to it being a card in between 980M and 980 mobile

aaaand one more time: the rumored 1080 mobile is a card that hasnt been here before when it comes to its performance and TDP classification inside a mobile gpu gen. its supposed to have MORE cores than a 1070 (2048 vs. 1920) but LESS cores than a 1080 desktop (2560). combined with a 150W TDP this puts it between mobile "M" flagship and the desktop flagship. we didnt have that before, if we had, it wouldve been something like a 980MX or 985M, but NOT a 980.

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I wouldn't give much credibility to that leak specially since it also shows a non existing 980MX.

But if this is true then you assessment seems to be on point. I really do hope we get a full 1080 in laptop some form or the other.

I am certain that this laptop that I will buy will not be up-gradable after 5-6 years (which is the typical span i change/upgrade my system). So i want the best possible thing now to last it as much as it can, If its not costing an arm or a leg (well a guy can dream, right )

 

best thing i can wish for would be 1180M in standard mxm factor, cuz thatll be tbe next time id consider a gpu upgrade for my machine

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even if it's compatible form factor wise, compatibility is not guaranteed on the software side

 

So much of confusion even with thoughts of "M" being dropped, absolutely cash grab move from the green greed by making a gimped DT1080 (1080N) as a replacement to the 980N (real 980). Calling shots by stopping reference mxm, what a filthy mindset !!

Now already MSI overprices their BGA junk, with this Pascal moar cash and moar raking even the ASUS ROG (republic of gimped- laptops)

 

I'll address all of these in the following.

First off. Not really. Comparisons can be based on rather subjective terms, and I could say the same about the assessment that the so-called mobile GTX 1080 is some kind of a half-way point between the 980M and the 980 in analogous terms. See below.

More to the point. I think that we're having a semantic disagreement here, because -- and one can look this up -- 980M performed less than the GTX 970, which is correct, but then again, what we saw of what was posted here (call it whatever you please) also performed just slightly behind the desktop GTX 1070.

The 980M, hair-splitting aside, from an engineering standpoint, has 4 of the total 16 SMMs on the GM204 disabled ( http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980M.126692.0.html), hence the precise reduction in 512 cores (the same precise amount missing in that so-called mobile GTX 1080 when compared to the full desktop GTX 1080). You'll find that this is exactly correct when taken in context of the differences seen between the Maxwell and Pascal disparities.

Unlike the desktop GTX 970 to GTX 980 difference (1664 cores versus 2048, respectively), the difference between the desktop GTX 1070 versus the desktop GTX 1080, in terms of core count, is noticeable wider (1920 versus 2560, respectively) -- a point that was highlighted during DigitalFoundry's technical analysis of the two cards where they reiterated the observation that unlike the Maxwell generation, the gap will be slightly wider between the desktop GTX 1070 and the desktop GTX 1080 in comparison to the GTX 970 versus the GTX 980. This perfectly, down to the math, explains the difference in core counts between the 980M (slightly fewer with respect to the GTX 970) and the so-called mobile GTX 1080 (slightly more with respect to the desktop GTX 1070) that you had highlighted.

Therefore, one could just as well argue that the so-called mobile GTX 1080 is an appropriate analogue to the Maxwell 980M when seen in the specific context of the differences in each generation.

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Of course, as of right now, much of what's being discussed is rooted in speculation based on only one account that we have been exposed to in the other Pascal thread.

 

Why do we have to make things so complicated?

The rumours up 'till now suggest that we'll be getting reduced-TDP, downclocked and undervolted versions of the desktop GTX chips, aka 1060, 1070 and 1080. In essence, the chipsets used (GP106 and GP104) would have no differences in core count, TMUs and ROPs when compared to their desktop versions, but simply vBIOS- and software-based mods to keep temperatures and power usage low.

So all in all, it'd be like how the GTX 980 for notebooks was, or so I think. To be frank, I think that's quite good - nVidia thinking that desktop parts can fit into laptops without needing to cut down even more. In the end, if we do want more power, it'd take software, not hardware modifications to get the job done. The only issue is the speculation that there'll be a price markup, which is a bleak outlook.

Imagine a mid-range notebook (GTX 960M W230SD cost around $1000) costing $1500 or more.

 

oh im perfectly aware of that. but first and foremost, physical compatibility is a must.then we can start worrying about software solutions

now i understand your reasoning, and yes, from that point of view your definition is also correct
and yes again, its all speculation at this point and id love to be proven wrong and see a standard mxm form factor M gpu at comparable price points to the maxwell gen

thats exactly rhe dilemma were facing here: everyone wants moar powah, hands down! but if
1) mobile gpus turn out to be only desktop in name due to the M drop (1080 mobile having supposedly 20% less cores than 1080 desktop)
and
2) we pay 50% more just for such a name change, even though from an evolutionary perspective, not much has changed performancewise between two gpu gens
and
3) the only mxm gpus left are non-standard form factor in order to accommodate so called "desktop" gpus (in name only) in laptops due to otherwise "non-manageable wattages"

then my current machine will be the last high performance laptop i bought and id be switching to a desktop & a thin n light bga turdbook for on the move...yay...

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If that's what is going to happen, then screw nVidia, and screw notebooks. I'll do what you're going to do - get a desktop and a Surface Pro for on-the-move computing.

I sure as hell hope that's not what's going to happen.

 

i liked your comment but its like your angry as to a posibility not a fact....not sure whats up withthis forum but people pounce on opinions like there facts

 

haha well, NBR folks are a passionate bunch, its always been like this and since these rumors and leaks are all we habe to go on for now, thats what were discussing and giving our opinions on...

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That's because it's a possibility that we shouldn't even think of embracing. It's like thinking of incest or paedophilia. Stamp it out.

 

I for one welcome my non standard MXM overlords.


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why? MXM overlords all the way,but as @Prema said: TDP/tech wise there is absolutely NO excuse whatsoever to use non-standard form factors! its all about jacking up prices even more (in combination with the superfluous dropping of the M in the name) and thats NOT a welcome trend at all...

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For the glory of satan off course

But seriously with nvidia officially not controlling mxm anymore, I think it will be difficult for ODM to maintain standard mxm across then board. Specially with high end cards which have tdp of 180-200. It will be either non standard mxm or bga and I will choose a custom mxm over bga any day.


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I shudder to think of what Ngreedia is going to charge Resellers for the 1070 & 1060 Laptop GPUs that will be then passed on to us.
My guess is that they are going to charge the same price for it as what they did for the 980 Desktop mobile when it was released last Fall.
That means when the 1070m/1060m laptops come out in October, we could be looking at a baseline price for Sagers and AW laptops approaching $2800 minimum, and that is just for standard, entry-level/barebone minimum laptop configurations.
That is going to put a lot of people out of Laptop market for a long time- namely, ME.

 

The leaks suggest 1060m laptops will be $1700 - $2000. 1070m is around $2500.

 

Hey, lets all make a pact to *not* buy a 1070/1080 laptop for the first 6 months after release of the first shipments.

Lets see how long it takes the vendors to drop prices

There aren't that many high end laptops sold, let's Organize and set up a Buyers Union, and negotiate lower prices.

Yeah, yeah, I know....

 

As I understand it..., So will 1070 be the most powerful Nvidia cards for laptops meant for 980m size in TDP (Alienware, etc.). 1080 will be for laptops designed for previous 980 aka P870 and the like with better cooling!!

 

I will take a 1070 any day.. Now price wise, it better not be too much

 

Yeah. 1070 will definitely be a good graphics card, but this graphics will most likely be the most powerful Nvidia card in Apple-like gaming laptops(you know? ). Those who still swear use slim lightweight gaming laptops may not get the best from Nvidia

 

And that pact will last until they go on sale and then it is everyone for themselves

 

A money and his Fool, are soon parted

 

That that is true but also remember - that he who dies with the most toys wins

 

Actually it's the relatives or state that wins, all the poor sap wins is an early death from the struggle and stress of working to get all the toys

As they say, Happiness and Joy skips every other Generation.

It's something we say to ourselves in the hopes that our children experience the Happiness and Joy we missed in our generation.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review,23.html

1070 ftw

 

Actually, it's the GTX 1080 FTW, the 1070 came in 3rd place on this test results chart.

 

980 sli 2nd??????????

1080 in a laptop is overkill at 1080p so 1070n ftw



is 1080 notebook even coming out for laptops

 

must be bad drivers or something, 980 sli should have edged out the 1080. My laptop beats a 1080 in benches ( where sli is used)

 

interesting..and looks like you have one future proof laptop for 1080p or 1440p

 

oh its futureproof. not because of the power, but because my wife said that it WILL be.....

 

Out of curiosity would anyone hazard a guess as to where 980Ms in SLI would come on this list?

 

Better than a 980ti if the game scales well with SLI.

Around a desktop 970 for a single 980m for non-SLI supporting games.

 

Yeah, Wife-proofing is more important than Future-proofing

It's important to cultivate an expensive hobby for the wife if she doesn't have one already.

That way you both have some skin in the game with which to negotiate at upgrade time

 

Thanks.

 

Haha so true. Sadly my wife's hobbies are inexpensive despite my best efforts.. Lol

I'll add to that. It's a damn sight cheaper hobby than modding cars. Really, wifey should be happy I now run all my vehicles stock

 

i modded my bicycle with a taped on flashlight... my imaginary wife jenna is quite upset..wait till she finds out i bought a pascal laptop

 

what a random post *lol*

 

I am thankfully cleared for landing with help from other areas on that front

 

Just a note because you say that a lot that's not really true. In benchmarks and stuff they are around the same but in games the 970 is consistently around 15% faster. 980m hits 71 fps in bf4 while the 970 gets 83 for example. My 980m was always slower than my friends 970 even when overclocked.

 

I guess it's a personal experience thing then, I found my 980m's were faster or the same, close enough to call them even.

When people look for a comparison, it's the closest one there is between desktop "units" and mobile "units":

1 980m = 1 970 +- YMMV.

And, OC'ing either way, different CPU's, different storage systems, different OS's and configurations, all skew the numbers in both directions.

There are also different laptops that either fully or only partially bring the maximum potential out of their mobile GPU. Same for desktops.

It's close enough for a quick example familiar to most people.

 

You do usually have to take chips machine by machine due to the huge differences in cooling and power delivery.

 

The 980M has always been slower than the 970, the only time it's faster is when the 970 gets VRAM bottlenecked. 980M is a gimped 970.

 

I had my 980Ms clocked to 980 desktop performance levels for benchmarking

 

indeed, ive also managed to get quite close to 980 desktop levels, but only in benchmarking though. stable gaming clocks is another matter altogether and im still looking for that sweet spot...

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Yeah, I've had little success in overclocking for gaming as well.

 

That's all nothing compared to me!
I was able to overclock a "non-existent / mystery GPU > Generic VGA( 0x)" without any vRAM to 1710Mhz with unbelievable results:

Spoiler

Worst OCer in the world: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8701397 LOL

 

oh cmon prema, im sure u can beat that 232 score! i believe in you!

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