Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

with latest one I get this error, tried on 2 different laptops, older p870hk1 revision and newer p857hk1:

ERROR: Unable to start device (hex адрес)
Detailed: A device attached to the system is not functioning.

with version before that one:

Identifying EEPROM...
EEPROM ID (00,0000) : Unknown

ERROR: Supported EEPROM not found

 

You either need to do this in safe more, or disable the GPU in the Device manager first.

 

^ exactly what he said. He's the man

 

doesn't work

I can easily extract 1060 vbios from n870hp6 but not 1050ti from n870hk1

 

I'll try on my N870HK1 soon.

 

Same here on my N870HK1. Are there any other options?

 

What commands are you guys using exactly?

Also paste the output of "nvflash64 --list" here please.

 

Hello,

Apologies for registering and asking questions right away, thread is a bit long and i did read a few pages but still need a clarification: As of today, it is possible to save and edit a notebook's 1060, 1070, 1080 etc vBIOS, but not possible to flash it unless you do it with hardware, correct?

Thank you,
N

 

I have different ways

Nvflash64 -b my.rom

Nvflash64 -px(0-3) -b my.rom

 

What output does it give you with --list or --check

 

The OC vBIOS raised the 1070 TDP to 125W and the 1060 TDP to 88W. They were 115W and 78W before respectively.
They are good for users that don't have programmer and can just use nvflash to flash them directly.
As I remember, Alienware also raised the TDP for their 1060 and 1070 lineup to the same values.

 

It shows me 1050ti present as index 0 card

 

Hi NaMcO, welcome to NBR forum!
Right, so far we still need a chip-set programmer to flash modified vBIOS into the chip.
There might be a special internal version of nvflash that can flash modded vBIOS, but I haven't seen it, .

 

I need the output ma man. I know what it will say.. thats why i have been asking for the exact copy paste of the output that it kicks out.

 

del

 

Ok, I understand, but not today. thanks!

 

While we're on this subject, how do you unlock the +100mv voltage slider in Afterburner anyway on these pascal laptops?

I managed to actually unlock the voltage slider using (step 3) after doing steps 1 and 2, and the slider moves and stays, but the voltage doesn't actually change at all...?

 

On mobile GPU's its not possible to change the voltage without the proper vBIOS mods.

 

Pfft :/ thank you

 

don't you have the usb flasher?

 

Yes I do but the existing mod doesn't allow voltage adjustments.

 

Thank you =)

I'll hold a while more to see if such an nvflash surfaces. I'd love to unlock my 1070 and see if it can be as good as the desktop version (~150W) with no issues.

 

Ok. I manned up and flashed 3A Vbios and did what @Coolane said and pressed control L to lock the voltage point. Set throttling temp to 80C, and 150W-185W TDP. Did +225/+500 (1860 mhz) then locked 0.913v which set it to 1928 mhz and locked it. Drew a nice 113% TDP (172W) and the laptop didn't blow up. Gained 2 FPS in Valley compared to 8A locked at 1873 mhz and 0.881v (maximum allowed in 8A without trying to exploit a very bizarre curve bug to reach 1.0v with the entire system unstable at idle). I think I'm happy with this. I'll stop here. I honestly wonder if the GT73VR can pull 185W through the MXM slot without the auxiliary power connector without blowing something up.

I did not test with the automatic overclocking now that I'm on 3A. I hate automatic overclocking.

*EDIT*

Um........
What's going on here?
I disabled the fixed point, set +225/+500, ran Valley and was drawing 122% TDP(!) and hitting PWR and VREL, with the clocks showing 2128 mhz and the voltage 1.050v-1.062v....

Is this supposed to be happening?
1.050v?

**Edit** again.
Set overclocking to +0 core (+500 memory).
ran valley. Voltage was 1.050v and randomly hitting PWR limit at just 1886 mhz.

@Coolane @bloodhawk @thegh0sts
Am I supposed to be drawing this much power? Does your card pull 1.050v at -stock-?
It's drawing WAY more voltage than needed. Lots of untapped power running around, but I can see how Coolane is able to pull 258W from the MXM slot...probably pushing GTX 1080 numbers....

Only way I can avoid this is by locking the voltage point, after moving the clocks up or down. But otherwise, +1.050v without an overclock...

 

Yes! Even with default voltage(1.062V for below 60C, 1.050V or less for over 60C), the 1070 can draw up to 210~220W in Heaven(similar with Valley).
It will even pull over 250W in Fire Strike Ultra Stress Test if the card had power limit removed.

 

Yeah that's too much voltage jacking up the power at an unnecessary draw for that clock. 1860 mhz only needs 0.875v for stability yet it throws 1.062v at it jeez.... Setting the clocks and then the Control L on the curve for what you think is 'stable' at a voltage point works alot better, but it won't downclock when idle.
Got Witcher 3 stable at 1973 mhz @ 0.950v, and a 3dmark firestrike graphics score of 21598 with automatic overclocking and +225/+500.

Do the desktop cards go crazy on the voltage like this too? Or is it just the laptop cards that are heavily overvolted?

 

Overclock to the edge of stability using the normal offset method, e.g. +150Mhz on the slider (or whatever is your max stable overclock) and then you won't be using too much voltage for any given frequency - it will be frequency-voltage optimised.

 

Any vbios mods for MSI GTX1060 G-Sync? Not after loads of wattage 88w-90w would be fine so long as sliders are unlocked and can be flashed via nvflash. I do have a backup vbios ready just incase.

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The higher the temperatures.. the higher the power draw.

 

We really should be calling it "a +150Mhz core undervolt"...

 

Haha, well that's kinda true. If your card is TDP limited you'd find that the overclocked card would be sitting at a lower voltage & possibly higher frequency when at the TDP limit. Likewise at the thermal throttle point you'd find the overclocked card was also at a lower voltage & possibly higher frequency. To illustrate this effect, I did some testing on my desktop GTX 1070 where I artificially limited TDP to 50%, and then I compared overclocked vs non-overclocked for clock frequencies & voltages during a prolonged Firestrike Graphics Test 1 loop - the overclocked version settled at a higher frequency and a lower voltage in comparison to the non-overclocked version (essentially undervolting/& overclocking). Here are the 2 pics of HWInfo Sensors showing the comparison (look at the average core voltages & average core frequencies):
Simulated Founders Edition clocks at 50% TDP (not overclocked):

Max stable overclock at 50% TDP:


You also get higher performance when overclocking under a TDP limited or temperature limited scenario:
Firestrike Extreme Score Simulated Founders Core at 50% TDP:

Firestrike Extreme Score at Max Overclock at 50% TDP:

 

You can setup two profiles in Afterburner; one doesn't lock the voltage so the idle temp is lower, the other one locks the lower voltage for gaming.
Your GPU score 21598 is very good, catching up the default 1080! The highest I got was 21800, but that was adding about 800MHz on the vram and running with 40F environment temp.
Desktop cards also use 1.062V by default; since the cooling solution is stronger and the board is designed for higher TDP output, so it's not a problem(especially it provided better overclocking with higher voltage).

 

There is the official vBIOS that raised 1060's TDP. Slider is still locked I believe, and the max TDP is 88W. It's directly flash-able through nvflash.
If you would like TDP slider unlocked with higher TDP, then you will need a programmer to flash the modded vBIOS.

 

@Coolane is this for MSI G-Sync cards does one have a link? Programmer wise as i am thinking of buying one Whats the bits i need for Vbios and SBios editing ? Thanks in advance.

 

Assuming you don't damage the thermal pads when removing the heatsink, you'll want:

Thermal paste

Required jumper cables, male to female if going from Pomona clip to 1.8v adapter (recommended), female to female if going from pomona clip to SOIC8 adapter (unnecessary even though it works).
Jumper cables

1.8v adapter (REQUIRED):
1.8v adapter

Skypro programmer:
Skypro SPI programmer

If you want something nicer and don't mind waiting for the slow boat from China:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sky...&terminal_id=5a36686a491f4cf6b0b4e52297797891

Are you planning on doing this on a MSI LAPTOP?

 

Yes MSI GT72-6QD laptop I am using with a GTX 1060 10DE.1C60.1462.11FF

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Does that thing come with a 180W power brick?
And how did you get a GTX 1060 in there? Doesn't that unit come with a GTX 970M?

 

Comes with a 230W PSU currently maxes out on full load @ 160W so plenty of head room. Which way is noob proof.

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Edit: comes with same PSU as GT72VR.

 

Oh you're the guy who modded it. Ok that explains that. I remember your post.
But what TDP do you plan on modding the 1060 to? You're going to get excessive battery drain if you go past 200W total system power.

 

Looking for a 80-90tdp or a 90-100tdp not going to go nuts max would be 115tdp if the vrms can cope also want to mod the system bios to unlock it and update the CPU micro code as MSI hasn't bothered to do so even though the system is effected by the hyper thread bug.

Also the Thermal Pads got replaced from the stock ones to Thermal Grizzly Minus Pads a month after i put in the GTX 1060. If anyone has the link to the OC versions of the vBios'es would be grateful to see if the extra TDP boost gets me better performance on the card before i start messing with a programmer. Thanks in advance and thanks for help thus far

 

The VRM's should be able to handle it. Multiple people have said the MSI cards are very robust (I think the clevo ones are the strongest). Remember Coolane has pushed 258W through his MSI 1070, but that's on a Clevo, which Khenglish hardware tested as being able to handle that power draw without blowing up like a malfunctioning North Korean ICBM. And my 1070, on my GT73VR, is doing 185W and crying about power limit still. You should be ok with 115W. Just make sure the card and VRM's are well cooled and do NOT under ANY conditions run furmark on that thing. The easiest way to find out is to find the TDP of the "base" model of your laptop's mainboard, or if the mainboard were used with multiple video cards, the TDP of the highest model that did not use an auxiliary power connector. If the original card had a TDP of 115W, then 115W on the 1060 is brainless simple.

 

Sweet i have DM'd you bud with the info about how i got the GTX 1060 in my GT72-6QD,

I wanted to be able to push the GPU further but i have been hitting a brick wall with Power Limit and VRel Limit which to me ties into the TDP limits that have been set in the Vbios. I have plenty of room temp wise 73c after over 4 hours of gaming with my fan curve or Auto fan now hits 77c The mainboard used in this system i think is the same one that was used in the version that came with the GTX980 Desktop MXM GPU as the HM170 chipset is somewhat the same as the C236 Chipset if i remember correct it was only a difference in firmware as my System bios shows 4 M.2 slots but the system only has 3 M.2 Slots.

 

It's Clevo vBIOS, but it supposes to work on MSI cards too.
Since the vBIOS is from an unknown source, and I don't have a 1060 to test it, so I am not sure if it will give black screen or other problem. Especially you don't have a programmer to do recovering at this moment.
I can share it with you through PM so you can decide if you would still like to try it.

 

Regarding the bit I put in bold in your post I've just quoted. Seeing VRel in GPUz is completely normal - it's essentially saying that your card is not hitting any limits. My understanding of VRel is that it is merely saying that GPU Boost 3.0 has run out of allowed voltage for any given frequency & temperature point. Running a Pascal card when it's constantly saying VRel is essentially saying that it's maxed out & not experiencing any limitations - at least limitations that you can do anything about. The Pwr throttling reason as seen in GPUz is one to avoid if you can, by increasing the power limit - which is what you've been trying to do here, (and you know that, I know). (I see VRel on my desktop GPU the whole time when I'm gaming - because it's nowhere near Pwr or Thrm limited).

 

@Robbo99999 Thank you bud with your reply, I have ordered the programming stuff, so if VRel is normal (as we are all still learning about pascal including me) then i can slowly up my TDP and measure
any gains in perf overall.

@Coolane Totally understand where you're coming from will be able to test them for you once my programmer arrives if you wish for me to do so.

 

I tested this on Titan Xp by increasing both power target and limit to 400W, unfortunately it stalls at vga bios initialization (B2 post code). Anything I can help with in terms of debugging? Got the original bios saved if needed.

 

Give @Coolane a dump of the original Bios. I don't believe Titan XP has been tested yet.

 

Do you think you can message me the vBIOS(original) that you are using, so I can take a look?

 

Will you please help to see why the MX150 can not be identified by this software...And I have that vBIOS...but I don't know how to send it to you.
My laptop model is HP Envy 13 ad107TX i7-8550u MX150(8w)

I just upload it to my Google drive,Could you see that know?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4WjkYdoDa-NRGZEcWZqZldHWFk/view?usp=sharing

 

that thing is only 8watts?

also the card is new, version of coolane's software doesn't support yet so you have to wait

 

I would like to wait for update...and this MX150 has two versions,they have different TDP,8watts for ultrabook,and 25watts for normal laptop.

8watts' core frequency lower then 25watts'.

but the rest of them are same.

8watts' GPU-Z Info:


25watts' GPU-Z Info: