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    Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Coolane, Jun 20, 2017.

  1. Mobius 1

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    Is the 8w version labelled MAX-Q on the nvcp and advertisement stickers? If not, this is a blatant scam.

    @Mr. Fox @Papusan @hmscott
     
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    25w's not ,but 8w is really like the MAX-Q what nvidia said before.
     
  3. Mr. Fox

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    Boy howdy, I'll say. Really? 8W or 25W, either way that's barely enough power for a decent smartphone muscle phablet. What a stinking joke, and a scam. Downright ludicrous. I bet an NVIDIA Shield tablet is at least that much, LOL.
     
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  4. hacktrix2006

    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    We can find that out if said user does a cloud gate benchmark, i can do the same on my Shield Tablet and then compare results, a Nvidia GPU thats 8w or even 25w is no better then an iGPU from either Intel / AMD or Adreno. I am sorry but nvidia are starting to really take the biscuit out of the sewer now.

    First G-Sync and its license chain, then Max-Q gimped GPU's, then whisper mode followed bythis joke of a GPU. AMD please hurry up and bring in some competition its sorely needed.
     
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    I can't rep you because I already repped you already. But you deserve 500 rep points for that comment. I'll send 5 after I fill up the remaining queue so it lets me rep.
     
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    I'd like to see that comparison. I agree... that castrated garbage is no better than integrated graphics. Just more expensive crap for the Green Goblin to peddle to the less fortunate that don't know any better.
     
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    Seems I don't have PM privileges, can you send me an email at removed (add standard gmail ending)?
     
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  8. Coolane

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    Thank you for sharing the MX150 vBIOS, @FliesQQ , :).
    Seems like the MX150 vBIOS uses different entries to limit the TDP, different than other models.
    If you have a programmer, I can mod you one to try (not 100% if it will work though).
    MX150vsGT1030.jpg
     
  9. FliesQQ

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    I have that...so you can send me the modded one ,i can have a try...And have you find any temp limit in it? seems like it had been limited to 68℃.Could you do me a fever to change it above 75 or more? Thanks~
    My Email is [email protected]
     
  10. Coolane

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    Haven't checked out the temp limit yet, we will see if modding that will take effect.
    I am on a trip now, will email you next week when I get back, :).
     
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  12. NaMcO

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    I have decided to have a go at flashing my MSI GE72VR 7RE's 1070. Will this programmer do the trick?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SkyPRO-High...211816?hash=item3378ee3f68:g:~q4AAOSwAHZUP8g5

    I don't have the tools or experience to desolder the vBIOS, so i will need to flash it in place. Are there any additional tools i need to do it? Like some sort of adapter to make the connections to the flasher?

    Any help is appreciated, thank you!
    N
     
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    It's only as good as a GTX 770M though, and that's a mid-high range GPU that's 4yrs old already, so it's not much of a gaming GPU by today's standards, but it is what it is - consumes low power and provides an ok gaming experience on medium to low settings in today's games at 720p screen resolution. Guess it would be good to get it unlocked for FliesQQ to give it a bit more.
     
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    Yes! that is the programmer a lot of us use because it's cheap and easily accessible.
    A fancy version can be bought from China on aliexpress (Skypro II) but that will take longer to ship.

    You will also need these to go with it:

    Pomona 5250 clip

    Male to Female, female to female jumper cables

    1.8v adapter is REQUIRED

    The skypro on amazon

    And of course you need thermal paste.
    or this if 11.1g is not in stock

    Some people hook the jumper cables to a "SOIC8" rectangular adapter but this is not required. It works, but the SOIC8 rectangular adapter is usually used for prebuilt clip cables.

    It won't hurt either to buy some spare 0.5mm and 1mm Arctic thermal pads. You never know when you might need to use them.
     
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  16. Falkentyne

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    I know this is 100% completely, utterly and blatantly off topic, but....

    Does anyone here (or @Coolane ) know how to edit the vbios on laptop kepler cards? I tried using the kepler 1.27 editor and it identifies some of the card info and then crashes with an exception error or something.

    The existing fermi and kepler editors don't seem to work at all. Do you know of a tool that might? A friend wants to edit his alienware kepler card to remove the throttling that he said happens at...68C? (he said it's kepler but it has a 660, 665 or 650m label and I Forgot which). I KNOW fermi is 675m (which is 580m relabeled)
     
  17. NaMcO

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    Thank you very much for the reply! I'll get on with it =)

    EDIT: I ordered everything on AliExpress, instead of $76 i paid €30. It should take under a month to arrive (not in a hurry).

    So now, i can edit the VBIOS freely, then flash it and the video card will still work with no problems at all? The only thing i really want is to unlock the power limits so i can overclock with software when/if required.

    Something like this:

    [​IMG]
     
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  18. Falkentyne

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    What did you order? If you ordered from Aliexpress, you probably should have just gotten the Skypro II Programmer instead of the skypro, since u have to wait for the China slow boat anyway.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sky...-offline-programming-offline/32655341936.html

    But as far as your editor....why is the checksum white? It should be yellow.
    Wait that isn't your screenshot is it? That bios (.44) was removed from MSI's website because it caused problems on some systems. It's not even available as a direct link to download (unless you know the old file URL of it). But that screenshot is a bad example. I actually have that .44 vbios and edited it with those values shown (but changed throttling temp to 60 to match the SS) and the checksum reads 01571400 (22483968)

    But yes that's the basic idea. You open it, press "Preset" and save. However if you aren't using a "GT" series laptop, i suggest, after pressing "Preset" (you need to do this to extend the TDP range on the high end, including the "extreme" limits), go back to target MW and change it back to 115W. That's just in case you wind up having heat or other power issues. That way 115W will be 100% in MSI Afterburner, and then you can change the slider higher.
     
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  19. NaMcO

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    I ordered the simple SkyPro because i went for the cheapest possible. I am only going to use it for this.
    So i got the programmer, the 1.8v adapter and the clamp with attached wires and an adapter like this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hig...32674796969.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.Ft1xIA

    The checksum is white probably because i'm editing a vBIOS saved with NVFLASH. Once i get the hardware, i will backup the vBIOS and work with that one, it should turn yellow then i guess?

    I have a GT72VR 7RE, that's why i wanted the 151W from the beginning. Even then you might be right because those extra 40watts have to be dissipated somehow. I should test once before flashing the definitive version.
     
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  20. Falkentyne

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    Buying clamps with attached wires is a HUGE Crapshoot. Many of them are garbage. Some are too thick to even fit on the vbios chip without hitting a surface mounted component close to it (I had that problem). Some will work but then will have the contacts wear out and will stop sticking to the vbios chip. Another user said his was only good for 10 uses until it stopped staying on the chip. That's why you want to build the attachment yourself and use a high quality clip like the one I linked.

    The pomona 5250 clip is MUCH better built than those mass market chip chinese clips with built in wires going to an soic8 adapter board. The pomona clip is designed for you to wire it yourself so you just need the male to female cables if you attach the pomona clip directly to the 1.8v adapter, or female to female if you attach it to an soic8 adapter board, which then plugs into the 1.8v adapter (and frankly, I wouldn't even bother with the adapter board, because the adapter board is made for preset size molex pins, and since you have your own custom cables, you just hook the cables up directly to the 1.8v adapter.

    That's why I gave you the full list of parts to get.

    If you choose to ignore that and go your own way, you can't complain if you have problems with those cheap chinese black IC clips.

    The Pomona clip works quick, fast and usually takes only 1 or 2 tries to get a solid connection, for the "Detect" button jumping right to the chip ID.

    While the clip you ordered: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hig...32674796969.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.Ft1xIA seems to be "better" than the prebuilt clip I ordered from amazon (the teeth were too big, and it didn't match the picture size shown of smaller teeth), I STILL recommend the Pomona iC clip:

    https://www.amazon.com/CPT-063-Test...e=avp_only_reviews&sortBy=recent&pageNumber=1

    read the reviews on it (I'm Ike Miller, but you can see how the other reviewers mention how it holds on the chip much better).
    And then you need the cables: https://www.amazon.com/Zoostliss-12...=1506760853&sr=8-15&keywords=zoostliss+cables

    Yes of course it costs more. But are you really trying to bum out to save a few bucks by buying cheap crap instead of buying quality?
     
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  21. NaMcO

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    Thank you for your advice. I'll throw in one of those as they're also sold on AliExpress.

    There's nothing like good advice and although i'm very comfortable with electronics and stuff like this, i never used these clamps, so any help is highly appreciated.

    EDIT: Nothing like being quick. Ordered :p
     
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    Have a look here, there's a huge collection of modified Kepler vBIOS there that allow for more voltage, higher TDP, and temperature control too I think:
    https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...king-editions-modified-clocks-voltage-tweaks/
     
  23. Falkentyne

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    Thank you. He just told me he has a *650m*. Ugh...well I gave him the link, but I didn't see anything about a 650m. He has an Alienware m14x.
     
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    I haven't seen any major updates to the tool. What's happening with the development? Has it stalled?
     
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    Gah. Unlocked the BIOS expecting to have like 500-600MHz overclock headroom on my 7700HQ but hell no. It will crash right after 103Mhz (even 103.1 makes it crash) and can't even set that in the BIOS because the laptop won't boot and requires an EC reset. Can't even overclock the memory or change timings.

    Is there a dedicated "bios-unlock-overclock-etc" forum you guys know about? I need to be entertained while waiting for the hardware to flash this 1070 :p
     
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    Wait what did you do?
    Are you overclocking the BCLK?
    You can't go much more than 102.5 mhz without changing the RAM straps. I can't help with that. If you change the RAM Divider or strap you should be able to get much higher. But you had better know how to clear the CMOS if it doesn't boot. If an EC reset clears the CMOS then you're lucky. On the GT series you need to hold down the power button for 45 seconds. Someone said that it may be possible to fast clear the cmos by powering ON by holding down the power button so it powers off after 5 seconds, but I'm not going to test that.
     
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    Yeah i don't want to push my luck. And my experience is with desktop BIOSes not these ultra complicated Notebook things.

    Since i have a locked 7700HQ, BCLK is my only chance of trying to reach 3.6Ghz or maybe even 3.7.
     
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    What's the RAM Divider?
    if it's 9, change it to 8, or decrease the RAM Frequency.
    I believe 2400 RAM Is calculated by 133 x2 (DDR) x9=2400, so 133x8x2=2128, which should give you a few more points to use.
    You can also set 133 to 100, so 100x2x9=1800 (like using 1800 mhz RAM) then you get even more points of BCLK to use. This is assuming your cap for RAM Is 2400 (this is all based on what your RAM Sticks can handle).
     
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    FSB :DRAM is 1:18. My RAM is 2400 17-17-17 (ridiculous compared to my old desktop's 3733 overclocked 15-15-15).

    My problem is this BIOS is a total alien to me. Nothing is clearly explained, there's not a lot of information about notebook BIOSes and i can't seem to find the crucial parameters that need to be changed. Or at least the NAME of those parameters in this BIOS.

    I can't seem to find where to change memory timings as well, this might not even be supported.
     
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    Remember it's DDR. 1:18 is actually 1:9 (x2).
    You said you have an unlocked Bios?
    You should have access to RAM timings then.
    See if you have a [9] somewhere. If your chipset is HM175, you may not have access to it. The CM238 chipsets which are designed to be overclockable, do have it. You can set the base ram speed to 100 or 133, the Dram multiplier In this case, 9 (1:18 is 9 (doubled=DDR)), etc.

    And what MSI do you have?
    they do not have a "GE72VR 7RE" anyhwere on their website.
    Please go to the MSI website and link your exact model.

    The only thing I can find is GE73VR 7RE". Not GE72VR 7RE".
    They do have a GE72VR 7RF "Apache Pro".
    Please clarify EXACTLY what model you have and link it.

    like this:
    https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GE72VR-7RF-Apache-Pro.html
    https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GE73VR-7RE-Raider#down-bios

    Try going to advanced->overclocking performance menu-->memory overclocking menu.
     
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    For GE I think it would be HM175.
     
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    And the Alienware's? :rolleyes:
     
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    I'm too lazy to download the Alienware Bios and look in the APTIO capsule for the RAM settings. With my luck, it's probably in some EXE file instead.
     
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    only xmp selectable iirc on latest bios
     
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    So there has been progress? :eek:
     
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    yes
     
  37. NaMcO

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    Yeah it's the lame-ass HM175. I'm pretty much locked here, but i wouldn't pay €500 more just for an unlocked CPU :p
     
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    Did you read my question on the last page?
    I checked your Bios. The memory subtimings are there if you unlocked it correctly. Although I don't know if they would appear.
     
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    I did, the timings are DISPLAYED but not editable unfortunately.
     
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    Those are temperature limits. The MX150 actually uses higher temp limits than the notebook 1080, probably because of weaker cooling solution.
    Just sent you a vBIOS(raised power and temp) to try, please see if that will work, :p.
    MX150vsGTX1080.jpg
     
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    Who unlocked the Bios for you? Svet?
    See if you can ask him for a rebuild, tell him you want to unlock the "DRAM ratio" (which defaults to 9 and you can't change it) and the DRAM base speed (i dont remember what it's called, but its 100mhz and 133 mhz, default being 133 mhz). But again I don't know if the HM175 chipset allows access to these settings. The CM236/238 chipset does (if you unlock the Bios) but the HM175 blocks some options and I don't know what.

    You know since you're getting a hardware programmer, you can just unlock the Bios yourself.
    Find out where the ""Bios Lock" option is (its somewhere in there) and disable that. Then follow sirgeorge's instructions in the GT73VR thread page. But you won't need do the rufus thingy with the EFI file, because you already have access to the "Bios Lock" option. You'll just want to back up the APTIO capsule LOCALLY (NOT from the msi website), with AFUWINGUIx64 (I think this is the file), then you will save the flash information. then in that file you save, you would then edit that file with AMIBCP. find those options and set them to SUPERVISOR. As well as whatever else you want to unlock. Then you would flash it with FPT64.

    Keep in mind that Sirgeorge's instructions were specifically for the GT73VR 6RE, but you can adapt them as needed. And ignore the part also where he uses extra instructions to enable the Peg 1 port (rather than have it at auto).
     
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    Yes, it was Svet and he already unlocked everything available. And i don't think i'd venture into unlocking it myself, somehow it looked far more complicated than just flashing the 1070 BIOS.
     
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    It is not worked... I already sent your that original BIOS ,VBIOS contains in it... I combined them and flash it with programmer,then the laptop reboot cycling...I think there's something wrong when I repack this BIOS...So,hope you can check it.
     
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    !NVIDIA inspector also can not change that temp limit from 68 to others,and it's not changeable ...why...
     
  45. Falkentyne

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    If you read this:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.794968/page-822#post-10595131


    Now, since you already HAVE access to the "Bios Lock" option, 80% of these instructions you don't even need. Most of the information (Including downloading the master Bios from the MSI website) is for getting access to the "Bios Lock" GUID key, and finding it (by using the master bios file) and then setting it to disabled in a boot disk EFI boot via changing the register. But you have access to this option so you don't need to do any of that.

    The reason Bios Lock needs to be disabled is because otherwise you can't flash the Bios with a third party program like FPT.

    So basically, if Bios Lock is disabled, all you need to do is to dump the user space (APTIO capsule), which should be 4MB in size.
    Svet tells you to do this already in his instructions, I think he tells you to use AFUWingui64 or something.
    FPT can also do the same thing. The reason why you do **NOT** edit the file you download from the MSI website is the bios file there is 8mb, which contains other stuff like the ME engine, UEFI and other stuff, and if you edit that and flash it you're going to end up with a brick..

    Svet does this for you and then automates it in his own flashing menus program. But if you have a hardware programmer you can just do it yourself (since you paid for the programmer anyway, then you dont need to donate for new versions of bioses).

    You can try to ask Svet to set the options to "Supervisor" for you, including those Dram Ratio settings, and see if they appear.

    The settings are in "Overclocking Performance Menu"->Memory Overclocking Menu
    Memory Reference Clock (Default=133 mhz)
    Memory Ratio (Auto / 9).
    133x9=1200.
    1200 (DDR)=2400 mhz.


    All this information was originally posted in the GT73VR thread:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.794968/page-822#post-10595131

    BTW I also wanted these options when I had the GT72VR. But they weren't showing when Svet unlocked it, and he was going to do a rebuild, but the locked 7700HQ cancer CPU made me too upset so I RMA'd it and exchanged for a GT73VR.
     
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  46. Coolane

    Coolane Notebook Consultant

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    I thought you said the vBIOS works and you observed some clocks improvement? Did you flash the vBIOS through the programmer?
    So is it the system BIOS not working after repacked with the vBIOS? What if you repack with the original vBIOS, will that work?
     
  47. FliesQQ

    FliesQQ Notebook Enthusiast

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    of course i flash it times with programmer, and now, i confirmed that has no effect, nothing changed , temp limit are still 68 . I've sent you my original BIOS, maybe you can have a look.vbios contains in it.
     
  48. FliesQQ

    FliesQQ Notebook Enthusiast

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    I found a same situation like this ,,,This vbios is correct ,Is that possible BIOS can limit GPUs thermal temp ?
     
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    ASUS ux501 has the same problem, vbios is correct , but still has temp limit , and not in EC.
     
  50. NaMcO

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    It seems my flash programmer is underway... The rest of the accessories will take a bit longer tho.
     
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