Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

I'll just have to get a ruler and measure it.

EDIT: I wonder if these screws are good enough. a hex screw head might be better actually that a philips head...if it fits.

https://www.amazon.com/M1-6-Socket-...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=PEK1TFD2CMKJT6GJDTYJ

 

Will probably just run at stock clocks but modded TDP only and see how some games fair cos I had destiny 2 crash because of the nvidia driver.

 

hello there. i actually just joined this forum but need a bios for a project i have going on. im on techpowerup and this is my project:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/gtx1060m-3gb-bios.240322/#post-3779291

basically i need a bios for a gtx1060 3gb from a laptop. its my understanding that the mobile gtx1060 has all the cores unlocked. i was also hoping if it works to use the mobile pascal tdp tweaker to make the bios reflect its desktop counterpart. if one of you guys could send me a bios from your mobile gtx1060 3gb that would be awesome. i just need the rom.

 

Not gonna happen. the tool is not designed to unlock cores and IIRC Nvidia physically cuts access to the cores so you're SOL.

 

Do you 100% know that nvidia cut the cores? also i do not plan to use the tool to unlock cores. never my intent from the beginning. i need a bios from a mobile version of the gtx1060 3gb so that i can flash it to the desktop card to see if it works. thats all. as far as pascal mobile tdp is concerned, i planned to use it ONLY IF the bios works so that the tdp settings will reflect the desktop cards original and hopefully prevent throttling.

im not trying to sound like an ass but your post discourages people from uploading a mobile gtx1060 3gb bios. without it i cant test my theory. If it does not work then i can simply use my spd programmers to flash the original bios back to the card as i have done many times already. even if the card is bricked after this i am ok with that, its part of the risk with bios mods.

 

There's a difference from being discouraging and realistic about what you can do with firmware and hardware without making the GPU, and your laptop, from becoming a worthless paperweight. Firstly the device IDs are different so any flashing attempt via software like NVflash would fail. Flashing via a EEPROM chip programmer would probably cause it to not display an image or not even boot...or worse it could potentially damage the GPU. Modding the IDs would also lead to a failure in booting. You'd be considered lucky if it still works.

You're still more than welcome to try but if it fails and the GPU dies or doesn't work as you wanted it to then don't say you were not warned.

 

i am trying to flash a desktop version of the gtx1060 3gb card with a mobile gtx1060 3gb bios. the idea is to unlock cores on it. im not working with a laptop. i just need a bios from somebodys mobile gtx1060 3gb. i dont understand why you think im flashing a graphics card thats inside a laptop when i keep saying i need a mobile gtx1060 3gb bios so i can see if it will work on a desktop gtx1060 3gb.

please stop telling me it wont work as i plan to put this debate to rest by actually trying it. i dont know if it will work myself but want to find out. i have been tweaking hardware both on the software and hardware side for many years and fully understand all the risks.

 

Sure, you can try if you're willing to use expensive gear as a guinea pig to test something. That's your choice and your money, do as you wish.

But your request does not relate to the thread that it has been posted in and therefore makes no sense. This thread is about modding the TDP of a pascal VBIOS for better performance, not about cross flashing mobile and desktop vbios roms.

 

i know that but i figured sense some people in this thread have access to an spd tools they would be most likely to get me a bios if it cant be done threw gpuz. my intent was to never get this forum off topic and i do apologize for it but i felt like i was being misunderstood on my intent.

 

The icing on the cake is that the desktop 1060 3GB has a GP-104 and GP-106 variants, so any cross flashing would be bad.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-gp104-gtx-1050-ces/

This request should have been it's own thread and not hijack an existing thread that share no similarities or relevance.

If it was like @tanzmeister's request then I would understand.

 

being the nature of this thread (bios modding, spd flashing) i dont think my request for a bios was out of line. i simply asked if somebody could help with getting me a bios from a fourm thread that people are watching and would know very well what im asking. i only wanted to let people know why i needed the bios because many people are curious when somebody asks for one.

it also pertains to this thread in that my plan was to use the mobile pascal tdp tweaker to adjust the bios if it worked and give partial credit of my success to the creator of this software because the mod would be unpractical without his work.

anyways i dont plan to keep going back and forth for something as simple as a bios. if somebody here has a bios that they could get me from their laptop gtx1060 3gb that would be great. i will refrain from posting anymore.

 

Personally, I think it's ok to ask, maybe someone can help you here, keep an eye out for any forthcoming posts.

 

I don't see any problem in @finalfighter 's request.
He didn't insult anyone and he asked very politely.
It's his hardware. If he wants to brick it, let him.

You guys were really harsh to him.

If he whines and cries about how we destroyed his video card, THEN we can get the pitchforks out and pass judgment. Until then can you guys just get him his bios dump?

 

Cross flashing is not the same as actually modding a vbios. Plus the desktop 1060 3gb has 2 variants so if get the wrong vbios the chances of it not working are higher.

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Well true but then he can back up his stock one and re-flash it if he bricks his card

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Nvidia have laser cut - hardware disabled - their harvested dies for a long time. The last unlockable geforces were AGP versions of 6800 (NV40) in 2004

 

IOW it's dead in the water.

Anyway, I bought some M1.6x4mm screws with 1.5mm hex heads instead of the usual phillips heads as hex heads don't wear out much and the hex wrench is small enough i could just tape it to the inside of the bottom cover without issue....if the screws fit into the x-clamp screw holes.

 

what is the maximum tdp of msi 1060?

 

Find a desktop 1060 founder's edition vbios and copy those TDP settings.

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Not that many notebooks carry the 3GB variant. You can try in the Asus FX502VM owner's lounge if there is one. You might have to help someone with how to dump the vbios with nvflash or another method.

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I mean msi1060mxm? work desk 120w ...

 

you can to back up the vbios from the card and run it through the TDP tool

 

I can run it with tdp 200w))) I just wanted to know not the limit on tdp that would not break it.

 

no one knows for sure. no one can guarantee it won't stop working.

 

sorry (will have to experiment to find out)))

 

Thanks for the information. The SkyPro arrived on Friday and it is working fine. Easier to use then the CH341A, and available in Germany.

 

See what happens when people trust me, for once?
Glad you like your new programmer. I liked how easy it was to use, too.

 

Just out of interest what kind of scores and clocks (and power use at those clocks) do you see with your 195W TDP 1070?

I did one single-1070 benchmark recently and 20715 as a firestrike graphics score at 2025/1.00V/2275mem https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14644969 - no tweaking to see whether the per-GPU power limits apply to single yet. Pretty much just copied the settings that get 37500 in SLI. I get a firmware based CPU throttle at >190W per GPU and/or >540W from the wall which seems to put 2025/1.00V as my limit at 190W where it uses 165-180W most of the time in a firestrike stress test.

 

If I can do a 'cool' run, and lock the voltage at 1.025v, and use +200 / +700, around 21700 firestrike score.
(same as if I "flatten" the curve at 1.025v).

For some reason, if I don't flatten or lock the curve at 1.025v, witcher 3 will often randomly crash if I use +200 directly; then I have to go down to +125 (with lower FPS there too). Very strange.

 

i'll stick with 151-170W thanks

 

found information on the power supply mosfet csd87350Q5D has (avalanche energy 60A) and that we get 1070 has 5 phases 60x5 = 300))) THIS IS THEORETICALLY. Although my 970m and two phases above 120w (60x2) do not like to go (I get a black screen), we get that theoretically equal to the practical potential.

 

mosfet csd87350Q5D режим работы max 40a. 90% эффективности 25А. в теории, силовая система на видеокартах 1060 1070 1080 без дополнительной мощности очень сильна ... но как другие компоненты будут вести себя, это остается загадкой)))

на основе заявлений nvidia 1080 150wt 6x25 150wt
1070 115 Вт 5х25 125 Вт
1060 75wt 3x25 75w

получается, что они будут от 25А, но сам мосфет может дать до 60А истину эффективности и будет уже сокращен.

но я бы не рекомендовал переступать 40A per phase
40A-60a на фазу только для EXTREME ТАК КАК I))))))))

 

That explains why MSI 1070 handles 195W without a power connector with no problem if there are no flaws in your VRM cooling. Sounds correct. The MXM slot is also rated electrically for 195W maximum burst power. So lines right up. So please re-pad with good thermal pads (Arctic or better) before modding.

Basically don't go above 200W on these MSI and Clevo 1070's. 170W is completely safe (don't try this on Eurocom or Taobao cards, or boom). 195W may be safe, but make sure there are no flaws in your VRM cooling, and your mainboard power delivery system has to be able to be designed for this power draw, too! E.G. MSI Titans can handle it because they use the same mainboard for 1080 and 1070 configurations. Going above 200W is dangerous.

@Khenglish said that the mosfets ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM power allowance is 258W combined (all 5 phases). That is, maximum allowed without instant boom.

 

Falkentyne
Я полностью с вами согласен
Я только что провел исследование и решил поделиться)))

 

I can't read Russian......

 

Sorry (
I completely agree with you
I just conducted a study and decided to share)))

 

No, that is the sustained rating. Peak can be higher. The motherboard is the limit before the GPU. The GPU is good for well over 400W.

 

400W? DEAR GOD!

 

>170W showed marginal gains, and >200W showed no gains as per Coolane's testing in OP.

At +189 offset anyway. Maybe higher offset OC would produce benefits.

 

I'm fine with the 170W max I have flashed

 

Hi

My laptop is MSI GE72VR 7RF
BGA GTX1060 with 3GB
I can do around 10900 in FireStrike and my graphic score is around 13000 with undervolting around 0.862 with flat cvurve but I Don t remember my core Oc as i am not at home now. But as for ram I can do + 700 or even 750 or 800 but dont see any gains after 700mhz
my ram is 2x8GB cl15 2666mhz hyperx
cpu is 7700hq undervolted -160mV on cores and -100mV on Intel hd630
525Gb crucial mx300ssd + 2 HDD (1TB+2TB)
120hz panel with OC to 134hz
Kryonaut on cpu and gpu plus minuspads thermalpads
thinking of puting phobya nanogrease Extreme insted of Kryonaut nad gelid gp-extreme insted of minuspads beacause of better W/mK values.
very Good performance overall but I have 2 problems.

1. I am able to read Vbios with nvflash and my question is if I will be able to make a tdp and temp mod with mobile pascal tdp tweaker and then flash it back with nvflash

2.My card is full gp106 but I have only 3GB of memory enbled, but what is funny on motherboard I have 6 ram modules so I have 6GB inatalled caped to 3GB
Is there any chance to enable rest 3GB with some vbios update or mod?

 

1. No you can't just flash the modded vbios with nvflash.

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ok and what about flashing clevo vbios with nvflash it has The same id 0x10DE 0x1C20

 

msi 1060 stuck max 140W TDP 3Dmark Time Spy (graphick score 4400point )
Coolane Thank You

 

You used the CH341A to successfully mod your BGA 1070?

EDIT:
I see, so even without adapter it did output 1.8voltage? Interesting.
I thought id would smash it through with 5voltage. I'll order one of those myself and see what I can play with on my vBIOS.

 

Yh I used it and it worked without the 1.8v adapter

 

Hi,

I`m from germany, excuse my bad english.

I have the Alienware 15 r3 with 7820HK with 1080-MAX-Q-Model.

With the Afterburner Curve Editor I undervolted my gpu to 0,8v in maximum (stable at consistent turbo boost 1733 MHz). Normally the vcore goes up to 0,8X - 0,91v.

The temperature is better now. Together with cpu-undervolting (-100mv) and repasting I can set very lower fan-rpms (with hfwinfo at autostart).

But 0,8v for the gpu isn`t enough for me. I will set 0,7v or similar, and 1500-1600 MHz is ok for me. I don`t play games at 99% load (wise graphic-settings).

Is there a solution to set <0,8v for my 1080-Max-Q? Or set a power-limit <100?

My bios-version: 86.04.6E.00.15 - see it in GPU-Z (can`t save it to a file)

btw: in battery-mode the gpu-voltage is also ok for me:
- 12XX to 15XX MHz
- 0,6v to 0,75v
- cooler than 0,8v
- fast enough (load +10-20%)
(with deactived 30-fps-limiter "battery booster" in geforce experience)

But I can`t find a setting, to use this gpu-behavior in ac-mode.

Thanks!

Best

edit - this is the only solution?

1. connect programmer to pc and open programmer software.
2. clip the vbios chip to the programmer.
3. check connectivity and read off the vbios chip.
4. erase, BC, program, and verify modded vbios.
5. install back into laptop and test for stability.

I will reduce voltage / power-limit, like the battery-mode, not more.

 

For this you could check out the NVIDIA control panel and use some powersaving features.

 

Thanks, but I've already tried everything (in nvidia inspector, too).

 

Programmer has nothing to do with reducing power limit so that wont help you. The programmer is for RAISING your power limit so your GPU will hold its clocks without fluctuation or you can overclock higher without being throttled by power restrictions.