Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

I got mine from Amazon, i think that was the last one with that seller, but you can get it from Aliexpress or ebay.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Skypro-official-version-better-than-EZP2010-EZP2013-high-speed-USB-SPI-Programmer-24-25-93-EEPROM/32242563553.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10065_10151_10208_10068_10130_10136_10137_10060_10155_10062_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10178_10110_519_10111_10112_10113_10114_10182_10078_10079_10073_10123_10189_142,searchweb201603_9,ppcSwitch_3&btsid=a649addd-605f-4cb7-8062-7c6dc2b988b2&algo_expid=bced0434-18df-4014-b05f-89ec2f7d4e76-0&algo_pvid=bced0434-18df-4014-b05f-89ec2f7d4e76

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Skypro-high-speed-USB-BIOS-Programmer-fpr-24-25-93-EEPROM-Flash-AVR-lite-pack-/221072205726?hash=item3378ee279e:g:2rEAAOSwU9xUQPcB

Scratch both of those , here is an amazon link -

https://www.amazon.com/WINGONEER-hi...=1498254746&sr=8-1&keywords=skypro+programmer

Also make sure you guys get the 1.8V adapter!

Thats the highest end model, the normal SkyPro II (Or maybe just the normal SkyPro?) is the one i have.

 

Ah... decisions again
Does the skypro II support 1.8v without the adapter?
I can't see if it comes with it.
I don't mind buying the high end one, especially if it's going to be put to good use!

TBH I already have the RT809F adapter right now.
Still debating on whether I should buy a 1.8v adapter but I don't want to take chances.
That's why I'd rather just get the skypro II.

I've never done anything like this before (besides flashing monitor firmware through a VGA port) so I want to make sure I do this right and not destroy something. I'm new.

So that's why I want to be overly careful. Please understand how i feel!

 

No idea if the LCD version supports inherent 1.8V flashing or not. But even though a bunch of programmers state they can flash 1.8V chips they dont specify if its with or without an adapter. Might as well get a separate 1.8V adapter and the Normal SkyPro (or II or whatever is), that i linked to above from amazon. And use that, since i can confirm it is working. The adapter isnt expensive and the price of the programmer over at amazon is pretty amazing at the moment.
You wont be using the programmer too may times, so might as well save a bit of money, instead of shelling out for something industrial grade.
At most you will be spending $30 + $10 (adapter) + $10 (Clips).

 

Thank you. I'll do that then. I appreciate it, @bloodhawk . Do any of the 1.8 adapters on amazon work for this?
What about software?

 

This is the one most of us are using -

https://www.amazon.com/XINY-adapter...8&qid=1498258428&sr=8-1&keywords=1.8v+adapter

Just get the software from the coright website. Its the same one for both SkyPro and SkyProII.

 

Agree, it's safer to get a 1.8V adapter and the more affordable model. I heard stories that 2.5V and 3.6V programmer could also flash the 1.8V chip, so not sure if the higher end model is it really natively support low voltage chips.
Forcing 2.5 or 3.6V on the chip will give some chance to fry it up I guess.
Maybe get 2 clips and 1 used as backup, I heard clip can break easily.

 

Hopefully my programmer comes next week. But in the meantime I'm gonna get some arctic silver thermal paste as my testing TIM, ICD is the good stuff and I ain't wasting that.

EDIT: I wonder if the thermal throttling temp is a fixable thing or not? I had a look at the vbios in my hex editor and it shows that it changed the values that are associated with the throttling temp, so is it missing something else to make the throttling temp stick?

Is voltage tied to it?

 

Yes, i double checked. Red wire on the doted pin and the clip plug's arrow in the pin n°1 doted insert in minipro.

The gigabyte's GA-G41M-Combo Bios chip is MX 25L8006E (3.6V), i tried using tape on pin 4 (Ground) but it can't read the chip's id.

The 15R3 has W25Q80VSIG (1.8)V chip.

Maybe i should hardware mod the minipro ?

 

Wouldn't suggest that, might fry more than just the BIOS chip.

 

Damn, the clip was really cheap (black no name one) and it weared out ealier than expected ... It can't hang on the chip anymore ... glad i tested it on old mobo.
Ok, so better buy a skypro or CH341a and a blue Pomona clip.

Edit : Added CH341a for W25Q80V

 

Can someone do a video tutorial on this for laptops? It doesn't look that complicated but I would rather be sure of what i'm doing is right before going ahead with this and for other inexperienced users. Thanks and nice work!

 

Its not as simple for every single system. If someone doesn't know what they are doing, or hasn't done the proper research, then this is definitely not for them.

 

Well then what exactly is this for? To increase gaming performance or just to show off on benchmarks? If it's for performance increase purposes then most people will want to know how to use it. As of now, it looks like an experimentation for notebooks. If a new NVflash comes out in the near future, most will just use that as it's much simpler. Just my two cent on that.

 

if you've read between the lines of many a post here then you can glean the basic idea of the process

1. connect programmer to pc and open programmer software.
2. clip the vbios chip to the programmer.
3. check connectivity and read off the vbios chip.
4. erase, BC, program, and verify modded vbios.
5. install back into laptop and test for stability.

done.

@Coolane, I tried to read a *.bin file of a vbios and it gave an exception error.

 

Okay, thanks for the clarification. Good luck on this project if I may say. Very impressive!

 

You were trying the 1024KB vBIOS extracted from the chip, right? I will make a quick update to fix that, maybe tomorrow.

 

That's correct. I was using the demo mode but I assume it would still error out even if I did do a proper extraction.

 

Oh man, tracking says my programmer is in Australia so hopefully it comes this week so I can give it a try.

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Please try out the version 1.11, it should fix the problem.

 

Yup, it opens correctly now.

 

Anyway, my programmer is on its way and I should have it within the next few days.

 

Cool. Got my modded vBIOS flashed and it looks like it's drawing more power as requested. Took a bit of fiddling with the clip not connecting the pins correctly but it seems to be working fine so far.

With the modded vBIOS it peaked at 166W in uncapped gameplay so a good start. Temps sit in the mid-60s and I can live with that (anything below 70 degrees is fine).

Hopefully the temp throttling issue can be fixed.

 

Nice. Have you noticed any improvement on benchmark scores?

 

Have not yet had an opportunity. it seems to hit into the 1.8GHz / mid-60s territory if left uncapped.

EDIT: Bench'd

I forgot what offsets I put for this run
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12994818

+170/+400
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12996188

best score pre-TDP mod
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11452582

when capped it'll sit around the 2GHz mark with occasional dips.

 

Nice, that's about 10% improvement.
Maybe you can try out adding 189MHz on the core to see if it's stable.

 

I thought there was an artificial limit on the core OC of 135MHz? it seems i can go higher

 

Not on the desktop series, it's mostly just power limits used to control things.

 

looks lik +170/+400 is all i can do with my setup....that'll do.

 

On mine,
Nvidia inspector gives a -200/+200 range on core
Afterburner gives -400/+400
I haven't checked but think the range on both is -1000/+1000 for memory. I have certainly done as high as +750 (made system slightly unresponsive)

I haven't benched at any core OC though and expect minimal benefit outside benching since it's all power limited (stock vbios) whatever load is on the cards even at core underclocks

I wonder if MSI left the clock ranges open on my cards' vbios because they come from a PC (G65VR) not a laptop.

 

If it's power limited anyway then there is not much harm in leaving the clocks unlocked I guess.

 

With the TDP bump to match the desktop 1070 and the higher OC, it beats a stock 1070 desktop in firestrike (even if it's a 300 point difference) so I'm pretty satisfied with that result - no need to go higher or harder.

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What's the stock TDP for a desktop 1070?

 

151-170W. Download any desktop 1070 vbios like the Founders Edition 1070 vbios and you use @Coolane's tool to check the file out.

 

Thank you

 

Does this post help anyone?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624521/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-owners-club/12330#post_26197898

 

Nope.
We are way ahead of what hes doing.

And he really doesnt know how the checksum works on these vBIOS's atm or the state of modded vBIOS/nvflash.

 

Guys, I really think this thread should be moved to one of the higher or general sections for more visibility. Especially if we want someone to bypass Nvidia's Nazi draconian orwellian Nvflash locks someday. You never know what good luck may happen...

 

Is there a way to mod a vbios's device ID? Tempted to see could flash the desktop 1070 vbios to the mobile and it work but then the gpu make up between the two is very different.

But the first priority is to figure out how to get modified thermal throttling settings to stick so I can set it to 60 degrees.

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You can flash the desktop 1070 vbios into the mobile. The problem is, you won't get screen output.
The desktop cards do not support laptop output (i don't remember the name of the term or output port).
You **MAY** possibly get HDMI output, however. You're perfectly free to try.

 

^
That is cracking me up! LOL

 

Then someone figure out how to fix the thermal throttling temp.

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(They're also not the same cards - the mobile version has more cores than the desktop version, so they're only similar in name really - another pretty big reason not to try & flash a desktop 1070 vBIOS to your mobile I think.).

Thermal 'throttling' is a thing on desktop too, here's what my desktop GTX 1070 does with voltage slider at 50% and an 87Mhz core offset overclock (increasing the voltage slider delays throttling to slightly higher temperature throttling points, which is a good thing):

Temp__Clock___Voltage
<50____2088___1.081
<55____2075___1.075
<60____2062___1.062
<65____2050___1.050

 

The author (or someone else) already flashed a desktop bios into a laptop, and the card actually worked. There was just no video output (edp? ldvs?) because the desktop vbios doesn't support that output.
Again, HDMI may work (miniDP will not).

And I honestly feel I should say it again: someone should really consider moving this thread to a higher traffic section because this is a rather important and significant thread. I feel that it being buried in the Clevo section (especially since MSI users are buying hardware programmers too) is limiting exposure.

 

I'm not super fussed about flashing desktop 1070 vbios onto the notebook GPU.

Someone needs to look into this thermal throttling thing and at least let me bump up the threshold to 60.

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Removing the thermal throttling points would be interesting, but I think it's difficult to do & not without drawbacks. If I remember rightly I think Prema managed to create a special vBIOS for Mr. Fox that prevented thermal throttling, but the side effect was vastly increased power usage - I'm a bit vague about this recollection so might be wrong, but might be worth your while searching notebook review along those lines. (associated with Tornado F5 laptop thread I think)

 

I just want to bump it up a bit....and by "a bit" I mean 6 degrees.

 

The differences are way more than that. A desktop vBIOS just wont work on a MXM card, at least not that easily. If this was the case we would have been running the XOC BIOS by now.

Something on the lines of not being able to use the EVGA Classified BIOS on any other 1080 .. could be wrong about the Classified part tho.

 

Time to keep a tinkerin' with the vbios then!

 

It will be nice to see the card running at a fully stable clock.
But the dynamic throttling clock is not really that bad.
It can be mitigated by adjusting the clocks locally.
For example, at the same temperature adding +189MHz globally resulted in 1999MHz at 64C:


By adding slightly higher offset after a desired voltage can help maintaining the clock that you like. Below showed a 25MHz increased clock also at 64C:
You can run Heaven or other stress tests to find a balance point.

 

Even though at 1.050V, the 1070 can eat out 270W through the MXM port...