Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

Bloodhawk modded his Alienware 1080 to 240W but I didn't see any benchmarks or comments about results.

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Whew, just finished reading all 106 pages of this thread. Amazing stuff.

I will be getting my hands on a Eurocom F5 soon and plan to mod the GTX 1070 to 151-170W. Seems this can realize a 10-15% performance boost compared to the stock 115W TDP.

Is this everything I need to get er done?
https://www.amazon.com/WINGONEER-high-speed-Programmer-EZP2010-supports/dp/B01DZC36GY/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072KYK2DR/
https://www.amazon.com/Signstek-SOIC8-Socket-Adpter-Programmer/dp/B00V9QNAC4/

Or would a cheaper combo like this also work?
https://www.amazon.com/SMAKN-Programmer-CH341A-Burner-EEPROM/dp/B013Q5P3ES/
https://www.amazon.com/Signstek-SOIC8-Socket-Adpter-Programmer/dp/B00V9QNAC4/

 

Avoid that crappy prebuilt clip. I ordered that thing and it wouldn't even fit on the Bios chip because the plastic mouth was too large!!!!!! (was hitting another component), and the mouth they sent was larger than shown in the photos even though the overall dimensions were right.
Avoid cheap prebuilt chinese clips!!

Buy quality and don't skimp or bargain basement.

Buy this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LZF1ZSZ/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3KL3JVC9E1BY6

and

https://www.amazon.com/CPT-063-Test...F8&qid=1520262430&sr=1-1&keywords=pomona+5250

Hook the Pomona to the 1.8v adapter using those above wires.

Then you're good to go.

 

Got it.

Aside from that, should I get the Skypro, or a cheaper CH341A programmer will do?

Does the CH341A need a 1.8v adapter like the Skypro does?

 

No need to penny pinch unless you are seriously hurting for money or almost homeless. Better to buy quality. The Skypro has very nice software and is EXTREMELY easy to use. Even the great Mr Fox liked it.

 

I even use the skypro myself it still gets updates on software and firmware. Its the best buy I made.

It also is faster then the CH341A on programming.

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The CH341A will do just fine and it doesn't need an adapter. Works without no problem.

 

The correct version you want is: CH341A-programmer-software-1.29

Sorry for the late reply..

 

Yep I agree

 

Did you do anything else other than disabling TPM?
I have a MSI Vortex G25, i tried modding my 1060 to 120W.

I could boot it to windows the first time, but the slider is greyed out, and my card is still stuck at 78W~ with furmark.

When i tried restarting my PC, i couldnt get into windows anymore, it will be a black screen until i force shutdown. I could boot into BIOS and only Safe Mode works.(Drivers disabled)
I have already disabled secure boot and TPM in BIOS.

 

Does anyone know what the tested upper limit on the 190W MXM Clevo 1080 from the DM3 is? "Preset" on the tool suggests 258W (I'm assuming that's the desktop 1080 power limit?)

 

I think the # of people who have modded 1080's can be counted on one hand. Modding 1070's, which are much cheaper, is the vast majority of results. 258W was done on a 1070, not 1080. So a 1080 would have no problem with that.

The cards themselves can handle far more than 250W. The mainboard becomes the limit of what can blow before the cards do. Not talking about low quality booming Gecube 1070 cards either.

Just set it to 250W and call it a day

 

Modded my 1070 to 200W TDP (151W-200W) on my GT73VR. However when I used the 1070 preset in @Coolane 's editor, what I noticed was in PUBG, i was getting power limit throttling as low as 105% to 115% (100% is 150W, 132% is 200W), extremely often. This was only happening in PUBG (not playing a lot of different games) and was causing the voltage to drop to .993 often. However this did NOT happen in Valley or Heaven benchmarks! Gsync on/off and Vsync off made no difference. But it was VERY bizarre and kept bothering me. In Heaven, I was only getting Power Limit at 123%-134% and was often hitting 132% quite a bit, which is what I expected, and the voltage was usually 1.043v to 1.025v. Same with Valley (Except Valley hit 132% a lot less often and didn't show much PL at all). But PUBG.....105%...a LOT.

So I couldn't deal with that anymore (I hate taking apart the video card because I have to clean the LM again off the heatsink and lightly sand it to a good finsh so no 'residue' is on except a faint silver color), so this time, I went in the editor and used the "preset" button values for the GTX 1080 (had to open a 1080 vbios to find it), which raised the first mW from 16,200 (1070 "preset value, which is stock for a GTX 1080 apparently (Unless there's a bug in the editor??), to 19,200 (which has a preset of 215W to 258W in the main section). I kept that at 151W-200W but just used the 19,200 value instead of 16,200 value, and flashed (remember I'm using a GT73VR, that does NOT seem to have MXM slot fets, and of course I'm taking a risk of destroying my laptop).

And....redid the LM, and installed and ran PUBG........

AND ALL POWER LIMIT PROBLEMS WERE FIXED!!! PUBG was now power limit throttling at the EXACT Same places that Heaven and Valley were, identically, and no longer at 105%-115%. Now it would only show PL throttle at 124%-135%, and the voltage was a LOT more stable now.

Not sure if anyone still cares about modding or is reading this @bennyg @Mobius 1 @thegh0sts @bloodhawk , but if you mod your 1070 to close to 200W , try using the 1080 "preset" value of 19,200. Might improve things a bit. Coolane told me (before he vanished) that that value "limits" the card to 200W if its set to 16,200, and 19,200 allows it to exceed 200W (so you can use a higher TDP). But it seems like some types of loads make it throttle at about 160W, if using 16,200 instead even with a max TDP of 200W. So use 19,200 instead.

Hope this helps someone.

 

Yep I saw this behavior on my 1070, couldn't really explain it but just thought it was due to PUBG maybe using more current. At least I know I wasn't the only one. Wanted to bring it previously but got carried away with work etc...

Didn't really know how to by pass it as well so I just downclocked everything to suit the PUBG weirdness after I benched. I guessed it had something to do with the 16200 values but didn't want to risk it and brick my card .. Besides my card is a BGA one as well.

Thanks mate for confirming my hypothesis.

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I wish people had discussed this more earlier. I just started playing PUBG a lot, and I never had noticed anything strange with the power limits before, until PUBG. And the 19,200 value is perfectly safe. It doesn't make the TDP higher. But it seems like there is some other limit as you said. I guess those values are not well understood.

How did you suspect it was the 16,200 value, when there was no documentation for those values? (Only the preset changing if you pressed preset with a GTX 1080 vbios), which only changed the two main TDP values and the 16,200 to 19,200?

(needless to say I'm happy now).

 

There are bunch of values that were not discussed in public for safety reasons.

 

I just guessed it was going to be one of the extreme tabs mW options, as that was the only other thing that could be changed that might affect results.

 

bloodhawk, I am curious to know what graphics score you get on the 230W 1080? because I want to mod mine from 180 to 200+ in a couple of weeks.

 

thats some nice values whats the default tdp for that Vcard? im receiving the same model as yours well except for the fact it uses the 6700hq and its 17" screen size. So no cpu tweaking just undervolting and im trying to find someone who had the same gpu to get a nice tdp raise

 

The default tdp is 115w. And I upped mine to 150w but do with caution!!! you could brick your laptop.

 

The MSI 1070 card is good up to the max designed specification of the MXM slot (195W). 150W is a safe slam dunk for MSI cards. Clevo models are safe there too. Going beyond that depends on mainboard design and quality and card quality. If a particular mainboard has 1070 AND 1080 options on the exact same mainboard revision, that makes 151W-170W a lot safer.

Keep in mind that some cards are such shoddily made (Gecube) that they go boom even at 115W !!! So be careful.

 

huge question. when you modify the TDP and change values then change checksum, what else does the program do in order to allow the card to boot? I remember there was an issue that no matter what if you touched the tdp values in the hex editor, even after changing the checksum back that the bios wouldn't boot once spi flashed. I noticed after running the bios through your program it deletes the top first 20-25 lines of what I can assume is packing. is this the way to get it to work? I'm trying to modify a gt1030 bios that has the TDP limits that are mirrored to look like the desktop 10 series ones, I found where the limits live inside the bios in a hex editor, and changed it, and even if you change the hex value by the smallest margin, no boot even after fixing checksum and deleting the first lines like your program does. was wondering if I could pick your brain about this? thanks.

 

@4xc1 What checksum are you fixing?
The 32 bit checksum or the file (basic) checksum?
They are completely different.
checksums are over my head anyway

 

16,535 overall

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/25969741

 

broke 20,000 graphics. its a little tougher without liquid metal this go around. I dunno what kind of GTX1070 is in this thing. But, its a boss! it smashes other 1070's that are soldered. even some full power GTX1080's that are in laptops.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/25969741

 

@Vistar Shook @tps3443 @Che0063
I guess I'm going to have to get offon my soapbox again and do a 4.9 ghz 200W TDP run....

 

I better get my liquid metal on, and start running benchmarks outside in the cold at night! lol.

 

@Papusan isn't going to like my physics score.

 

This got my attention...

 

Dude your GTX1070, and CPU just wiped the floor with my numbers! Damn, I thought my little soldered 1070 was fast. You are simply murdering desktop GTX1070's. MSI is doing a good job with there laptops I suppose. It is MXM right? Cant you upgrade to a GTX1080?

 

My stock TDP was 115W. I used the Pascal Bios Editor and a SPI programmer (Skypro) to change it to 200W, after taking risks and seeing that the laptop can handle 200W through the MXM slot (started at 150W and kept remodding slowly upwards). I had to wrestle to get this to work (if you see some of my old posts with me complaining about throttling), and this would have been impossible without Phoenix's help when he posted his EC RAM screenshot. I was getting extreme CPU power throttling originally when I used a 150W TDP at first, because there was an artificial Power Cap at 230W, enforced by the EC.

Then I was able to find the "difference" in the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 EC RAM registers, because MSI uses the same motherboard for both models. Changing one value allowed me to change the power ID from 230W to 330W (making the EC think that a GTX 1080 was installed), which allowed me to exceed the 230W barrier. Of course I also bought the 330W power supply.

Yes a GTX 1080 upgrade is "possible", but it would require a GTX 1080 heatsink, GTX 1080 VRM heatsink (they are separate), as well as the GTX 1080 video card. Considering how close I am to 1080 scores already, i don't think it's worth paying $1,000 for such an upgrade, when I can put that money towards an 8 core Clevo "9700K" or whatever that new 8 core Coffee Lake is going to be called.

And "MSI doing a good job with the laptops??"

Summoning @Papusan

You know the MSI EC loves shutting the laptops off when the EC thinks you're going to pull enough amps to reach 100C on the CPU (exceeding the heatsink's capability) right?
That's why 4.9 ghz is so hard to bench on. And why I can't even START a prime95 AVX test at 4.7 ghz without the laptop shutting off instantly.

And despite my begging, no one here knows how to deal with hacking EC firmware in Linux or bypassing checksums (I know where the protection is, but I don't have the skills to change it without bricking the laptop, even though it's not 100% PROVEN it will brick, i'd put it at 99% chance it would). And I know what you're thinking. No, the "Current Trip" shutoff isn't stored in EC RAM. It's stored in these strings in the EC binary itself:

CPU_CrtT = 1.CPU_ThtlT = 1.CPU_ThtlT = 0.SYS_CrtT = 1.SYS_ThtlT = 1.SYS_ThtlT = 0

The CrtT flags are the problem.

The power ID flag is stored in EC RAM (accessible to windows) via RW Everything and can be changed easily: (RAM register E3). value=91=330W 90=230W

 

The EC "protection is here"
And no one knows how to change it safely without a brick. Only brother @Prema would know how and he's unable to help us.

 

I'm thinking I need to edit my bios? I'm wondering if my 1070 is even a 150 watt? It may be 115 as well. I need more performance. After seeing your numbers, I'm itching to do this.

What kind of performance did your GTX1070 provide stock with 115W profile?

 

@tps3443 @Vistar Shook I don't remember anymore. Too lazy to run 115 TDP right now even though all I have to do is set MSI Afterburner to 77% TDP (stock TDP is 150W, up to 200W max slider, so 77% of 150 is 115).
Pretty sure I scored around 18,000 graphics score from memory, then at 150W, I scored around 20,000 ? All 1070's are the same so the scores won't matter much if the TDP is the same. memory OC however makes a big difference. I'm at +700 (9400 mhz effective) offset on memory.

I'm just not happy right now. I have to constantly fight the urge to hex edit the EC and change that 1 to a 0 and then brick the laptop (it's NOT the edit that causes the brick. it's the CHECKSUMS--that's plrual. checksums violation that does).....you know what I'm talking about.

@Papusan please cheer me up before I brick my BGAbook......

 

I can only run a 100% power limit. So, I'm assuming I have a 115 wait GPU? lol. Ok ,I'm going to dump my bios. Then ill try to edit it. Then flash the new one on.

 

Please delete

 

@tps3443 You can see the power limit easily by just running your GPU at max power with HWinfo64 running.
It shows exactly how much power your GPU is using.
The max power limit will be a small bit below the max peak power shown (like 5W or something).

Run a 3dmark firestrike with HWinfo64 running in the background.

Also you can EDIT your bios but you can't flash it with NVflash. It's protected by Ngreedia. You need to use a SPI programmer to force flash the Bios chip, which will bypass NVflash's Ngreedia protection.

 

I'm trying to dump bios on desktop. GPU-Z keeps saying, ERROR bios not supported on this device. And I cannot dump it.

 

Please delete

 

I have a terrible want, more than a need.

I'm going to ride this x7 v7 for 10 more months, until tax refund time next year.. It is tempting. The most interesting model, or well I think so.. is that new Aorus X9. I would feel sick for dumping $3,800 on something and next gen GPU's is creeping up. I need to be patient.

Don't brick your laptop Falkentyne. Id be impressed if I had that laptop. Its a good bit faster than mine. Just put your self in my shoes. Your 7820HK is faster than the 8th gen BGA cpu's. And everyone elses 7th gen! just hold out until next gen GPU and maybe the next BGA refreshment will be better. Unless of course you go LGA.

 

Awesome! That’s so small, you gotta really man handle my machine unlike how he gracefully he held it with only one hand!

 

I see, I need to order one of these chip programmers. Dang that sucks.

So, I need a X7 V7 DT power adapter, and a chip programmer. Then it’s possible to squeeze a good bit more power out of my gpu.

How much are these chip programmers?

 

I use the Skypro. You can find that on Amazon. You will also need a 1.8v adapter (*REQUIRED*), and a Pomona 5250 clip (so you don't have to desolder the Bios chip) and some jumper cables to attach the clip to the 1.8v adapter. (you can use the same clip to force flash a motherboard Bios if it uses the same PLCC8 IC chip, without the 1.8v adapter. Mainboard bioses are 3.3v. Video cards are 1.8v. That's why the adapter is needed.

Male to female work but best to buy the whole set for a rainy day:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LZF1ZSZ/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3KL3JVC9E1BY6

Pomona clip:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HHH65T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

1.8v adapter:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072KYK2DR/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Skypro:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DZC36GY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
(software on www.coright.com )

 

So all of this is still doable even though my 1070 is soldered?

Dang! This is a small investment lol. It’s a shame we can’t do it with software anymore.

I had a GTX660 non ti that I flashed with Kepler bios editor. That thing was smoking a gtx770. Or gtx680.

It ran at about 865mhz core default, I had it running at 1,500+ MHz It was like a fluke of a piece of silicon, running nearly a 100% overclock in some instances.

Those were the good days!

 

Yes, if you can find the vbios chip. But there is a risk. No one knows what is safe for your mainboard.
If you're already pulling 150W, we don't know if it can handle more than 150W safely. Did you check like i told you to do with HWinfo64? I was waiting for you to check the GPU power draw.
Most people do NOT recommend that you exceed 150W unless you are using a mainboard which shares the same revision for GTX 1080 models (in which case only a PSU swap would be needed after increasing the TDP). I can't really help more with this.

 

115.79 Watts maximum power draw in HWiNfo

Seems unbelievable that its only a 115 watt GPU. Me and everyone else thought it was 150 watt for sure.

Now, I really want to flash it to a higher limit TDP.

 

@tps3443 I got 19,609 FS graphics score with 115W TDP and +150/+700 clocks. Make sure your Nvidia driver settings are set to defaults for benchmarks. Also am pretty sure scores have changed on recent drivers too, but memory OC helps.

 

Highest I can run is only +115 to +120. It just crashes any higher. With +785 memory.

You still achieved about 10+ % out of that TDP increase though.

Man you just never know what your getting with a gaming laptop gpu there performance is just all over the place from partner to partner.

 

At least with GTX 1070 Max-P, the stock TDP is pretty consistent. They're all 115W except for the oversized Clevo 1070 with the power connector, which is 150W. Compare that to the 1080, whose TDP ranges from 150W to over 200W depending on the notebook.

 

I’d love to tinker with a 200 watt gtx1080. Man I couldn’t imagine. There probably breaking 27,000 graphics with the right OC