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    Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Coolane, Jun 20, 2017.

  1. Dialup David

    Dialup David Notebook Consultant

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    Perfect! I'll go ahead and give that one a flash to see if she works. I appreciate the help!
     
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  2. hacktrix2006

    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    No problem the community helped me out so sharing the love back as i should be doing. Although 258w seems a tad high what PSU you running?
     
  3. Dialup David

    Dialup David Notebook Consultant

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    I'm currently using dual 330w PSU's, so my lonely 1080 and 6700K should be okay sharing 660w.
    The system is going to be water cooled, so thermals are basically no part to be factored in as well.
     
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  4. Coolane

    Coolane Notebook Consultant

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    @hacktrix2006 is right. Please use the v1.11 version to modify the vbios for now, and it will automatically remove the section starting with 4E 56. I will add a solution for the next update.
     
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  5. hacktrix2006

    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    Thanks @Coolane, it would seem the Vbioses with 4E 56 are a right PIA, now the only thing i can think of with my small sample size of vbioses is its something to do with G-Sync it has to be. Non G-sync vbioses i have start with a 55AA whilst vbioses i know are from G-Sync cards are 4E 56.
     
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  6. Dialup David

    Dialup David Notebook Consultant

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    Absolute mad man, it worked!

    Not a bad little boost, I've got to figure out how this modern boost clock works. Been a while since the days of Fermi where clocks were clocks, not an suggested offset.
    Anyways, I managed to get a free 10% boost in performance with +189Mhz on the Core and + 600Mhz on the VRAM.
    I seem to have managed to find the shunt resistors on the card as well, so I might try my luck and attempt to lower the resistance with some liquid metal to see if that gives me anything else.
    https://imgur.com/a/FEutkrc

    Here is an image of where they are for those interested, you could likely skip the whole flashing process with this method. Although it's untested, in theory it should work.
    They are the small rectangles labeled "R005" next to the power connector.
    [​IMG]
     
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  7. bennyg

    bennyg Notebook Virtuoso

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    Altering firmware is the easier road than hardware IMO.

    Also, if you're using the easy method, liquid metal eventually weakens the solder on them, and they'll make your software monitoring power draw readings wrong. 258W is enough, you'll find out that GP104's scaling sucks beyond 200W and the most you'll get under water is 2150-2200mhz. My GPU watercooling mod (imgur link in sig) didn't offer much in terms of raw performance, great gains in noise and temps tho.

    Your car-sized radiator setup is an overkill amount of overkill ;p mine manages to cool two 1080s on a single 360mm
     
  8. TheQuentincc

    TheQuentincc Notebook Evangelist

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    So it seems that sometime the start of the vbios isn't neccessary ?
     
  9. Dialup David

    Dialup David Notebook Consultant

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    Turns out this is the case for some vBios's, as it was my issue. Really flashed the 1.11v modified firmware with my eyes closed as the checksum and initial content in the ROM image were completely different.
     
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  10. kolias

    kolias Notebook Evangelist

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    mine 1080 can be oc'ed at +250mhz with no modification
    here is my timespy +250 gpu and stock memory
    how you manage to oc the mem so high mate?
    https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/35292020
     
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  11. kolias

    kolias Notebook Evangelist

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  12. Dialup David

    Dialup David Notebook Consultant

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    Well damn, I was having issues with the modified vBios's and was going to flash back to stock. For whatever reason I can't flash the stock vBios back. Looks like my nand chip has gone bad as when I erase or read from the chip i'm getting erroneous data.
    Does anyone know any compatible parts? Winbond 25Q80EWNIG seems to be the chip in question, although I can't seem it anywhere online. I don't see a datasheet that highlights similar chips that would be compatible either.

    [​IMG]
     
  13. hacktrix2006

    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    Have you checked the cable was seated correctly, near heard of a bios chip going bad after a flash.
     
  14. TheQuentincc

    TheQuentincc Notebook Evangelist

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    hissy Notebook Consultant

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    Hullo here
    I've noticed that last version of this utility fully recognises my RTX 2070 Vbios (gpu-z dump), and even offers preset for it.
    So, did anyone actually tried this on live hardware?
    Are we saved?
     
  16. Dialup David

    Dialup David Notebook Consultant

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    ****, that's exactly what happened. I have no idea how I didn't realize I was using a 3.3v programmer on a 1.8v logic chip.
    I probably flashed that thing 20 times too, so if you're in a pickle and only need to do it once apparently that's fine.

    Welp, found some back alley seller on a shady Chinese website website that sells them. Had to pay $30 for shipping, but that's better than buying a $500+ GPU.
    Lesson learned! Luckily I'm more than capable of replacing the chip.
     
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  17. TheQuentincc

    TheQuentincc Notebook Evangelist

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    You don't need an "out of the box" 1.8v programmer, I use a CH341A with an 1.8v module and it work fine :)
    I got the whole thing for less than 10€
     
  18. dzpliu

    dzpliu Notebook Consultant

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    Black screen on clevo systems.
     
  19. hissy

    hissy Notebook Consultant

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    That's disappointing. Any ideas why?
     
  20. awsan

    awsan Notebook Consultant

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    Does any body know what TDP I should aim for on my 2070 on an MSI GE75 9sf considering the Brick is 280w and will I get higher TDP if I upgrade to a 330w brick?
     
  21. Dialup David

    Dialup David Notebook Consultant

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    Whew, that's enough modifications and hacks to get an additional ~10-15% gain for my risk tolerance.
    Spent $35 to get half dozen matching part number EEPROM chips from some back alley Chinese site that has a 1.7 Star rating on Trust Pilot.
    As soon as I reprogram the EEPROM, all passes with flying colors. Verdict is indeed that I managed to kill the chip with 3.3v (after a while though) as I lacked the 1.8v Logic converter.
    But that was just the beginning.
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Yep, as soon as I go remove the chip I manage to snip all the legs only to have the middle mirrored pads just fall off. This was the "Oh ****ake" moment.
    Getting back to my senses after figuring $600 went down the drain, I realized that I'm not an idiot. Followed the pads to their traces and tried the old "remove the silkscreen" method.
    As soon as I tried to remove the silkscreen from the traces they immediately pulled right off. This meant that I had to trace the circuit back to the next via or SMD part.
    Luckily, that managed to be a ~0603? SMD resistor. That would be easy to run a bodge wire from. Then there was the other pad, this one was a PITA as it was only ran to a via in a group of resistors.
    I managed to scrape away the silkscreen with an xacto knife and tin the via without making a bridge between the other components, or accidentally just pulling them off the PCB all together (takes nothing with a proper iron to push those babies right off).
    [​IMG]

    Bodge wires ran, my mind flooded with anxiety and angst. I manged to get it all together and threw the heat sink back on. To my luck it FAILED to show video output. About to give up, I noticed that it looked like the bodge wire was rubbing on the ground side of the capacitor in the picture above. Carefully I rebent the wire to remove any short. Trying for the last time, I was lastly greeted with the Prema Mod logo. The machine is now back and running. I've never been more happy to have a stock GPU as this. What an experience.
     
  22. andy marchi

    andy marchi Notebook Enthusiast

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    can anyone give me a little help with a MSI GT73 GTX1080?
     
  23. Falkentyne

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    Hard to help you if you don't tell us what you need.
     
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  24. TheQuentincc

    TheQuentincc Notebook Evangelist

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    Hi, can someone provide/link me a GTX 1070 mobile/max-q vbios which allow overclocking (like core and memory frequency tuning) ? I know there is some vbios on techpowerup but I'm not able to know if they are "unlocked".
    Thanks
     
  25. yrekabakery

    yrekabakery Notebook Virtuoso

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    You don't need any special vBIOS to overclock using software tools like MSI Afterburner.
     
  26. TheQuentincc

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    Quadro vbios are locked, I think it's vbios related, but you confirm that every 1070 mobile can be overclocked ?
     
  27. yrekabakery

    yrekabakery Notebook Virtuoso

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    GeForce vBIOS is not overclocking locked.
     
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  29. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    @Coolane, are you interested in modifying this for the Quadro RTX GPUs?

    VBIOS attached.
     

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  30. TheQuentincc

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    Hi, can you provide GPU-Z screenshot ? (main and "advanced > nvidia bios" section)
    I think I found TDP and temp value, the TDP limit seems to be 80w and the card should throttle temp at 60°c or 66°c
    I don't know why there is a redundancy in the vbios with the same value.

    Do you know from which temperature the card start to throttle ? If the temperature limit can be modified by overclocking tool so I think there is something about the temperature here (on the picture)
     

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  31. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    I don't experience any thermal throttling—at least, not according to HWiNFO.

    Details:
    [​IMG]

    The power limit is indeed 80 W, and clock speeds under load are around 1.2 GHz, maybe 1.3 GHz at best.
     
  32. Robbo99999

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    As an aside, if you overclock your GPU you'll get a higher frequency for your 80W limit. It might initially be couterintuitive to overclock it if you're bumping up against the power limit, but overclocking effectively shifts the frequency/voltage curve upwards so that any given voltage point has an offset of say +100Mhz (or whatever your stable overclock is), so you end up with the GPU operating at the most efficient frequency and voltage if you overclock. Effectively you'll find that the GPU will be operating at a higher frequency and a lower voltage when bumping up against the power limit. You'll get a bit more performance that way even without a modified vBIOS.
     
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    yrekabakery Notebook Virtuoso

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    Unfortunately the Quadros are completely locked from any adjustment of the clocks or voltage/frequency curve.
     
  34. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    Exactly. And hence I'd rather just increase the power curve to something like 120 W and see where it gets me, by flashing a modified VBIOS. If said modded VBIOS gives me unlocked frequency and voltage control, then even better.
     
  35. LeonS3

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    Hi Guys!

    Well the TDP Tweaker got an update and now support my RTX mobile chip.

    Can anyone help me tweak it?

    I always have power limit and am looking a way to fix that.

    I tried to undervolt it but it stuck at 1.6-1.7 GHz (if the undervolt is succeed).

    So if i tune my VBIOS with the TDP Tweaker would i have a chance for faster clocks?

    My laptop is --> MSI GE75 8SE with the RTX 2060.

    Thanx in advance,
    Leon
     
  36. TheQuentincc

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    According to GPU-Z the maximum clock you can get is 1380MHz : https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/quadro-rtx-3000-mobile.c3428
    Quadro are locked unfortunately, I tried to modify boost clock etc with no luck on my P4000.
    You can modify TDP using pascal tdp tweaker (even if it's showed as unsupported), indeed it change the TDP and also the checksum fine, you should try it.
    I'm not sure why there is TDP setting at two location in the vbios, maybe someone know ?
     
  37. majster msi

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    Is it possible to update tool to suport ASUS Zephyrus S gx531GW with rtx 2070 max q ?
    Dumped bios:
    https://www19.zippyshare.com/v/TRR3xuGT/file.html

    It is currently unsupported however it is partially supported :). During saving changes dotnet is crashing.
     
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  38. Hackintoshihope

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    @Coolane

    I successfully flashed my RTX 2080 Max Q with a modified vbios with this tool. I used an spi programmer and I went from 90W 100W TDPs (Blade Pro Vbios) to 110W 120W TDPs (Modded Vbios) however upon booting to windows I was given a not so friendly error code 43. I am not sure if the tool is still not working for Max Q GPUs or if I needed to modify the nvidia driver once I flash? Please see my files attached... Thanks!

    The Board files indicate what was flashed onto the board and then I read it with SPI programmer.

    vbios files
     
  39. dzpliu

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    so far, all the 20XX cards cant be modded.
    Something to do with driver verification.
     
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    Any success with a 2070 Max-Q?
    I have a vbios that maybe someone can check out. Is it of normal size? seems a bit too large
     

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    Dead end …
     
  44. Casowen

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    Looking to try this for my 1070. Can I unlock all shaders with this? Can anyone link me a TLDR that is up to date on this?
     
  45. seanwee

    seanwee Father of laptop shunt modding

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    Unlock shaders no, increase tdp limit yes.
     
  46. Casowen

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    Oh TDP. Well I think under cool ambient conditions this laptop can take another 15 watts or more if I set fans to max, but I was really hoping that bios mod would unlock shaders. You know of anything that attempts to do that? Thats a 20% increase for certain applications going from 2048 to 2560 total shaders. I was under the impression that a bios programmer would do that with a 1080 bios.
     
  47. Hackintoshihope

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    Nothing currently known can unlock “shaders”. Nvidia manually disables cuda cores that are usually impossible to reactivate with a vbios flash.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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  48. TheQuentincc

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    nvidia disabled them with the "GPU microcode" since maxwell which nobody know how to acces/edit, and as far as I know it could be unlocked on kepler card (not with vbios modification)
     
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  49. hacktrix2006

    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    Shader unlocking has been dead for a while. I think the shaders are laser cut now adays.

    Update used the latest version on my VBIOS works like a dream thanks for the update @Coolane , as you can see from my signature I have been benching again which a GPU score of 14484 for a GTX 1060, still tweaking right now I have capped TDP to 125w increased the main temps from 59 to 62 and 65 to 72 which seems to help alot with clocks being more stable.

    Let's see if I can hit 14500 before quoting benching for a year.

    Sent from my SNE-LX1 using Tapatalk
     
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  50. amihail91

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    Anybody used this to mess with a 1070 Max-Q inside a Razer Blade 15?

    EDIT: Seem to be getting bios cert 2.0 verification error no matter what version of nvflash I use ...
     
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