Mobile Polaris Discussion

Bristol Ridge and Polaris confirmed. Sweet!

Confirmed at 200, I'm interested to buy.

 

4GB GDDR5 @ 199 price point? I'm not sure I'd buy a 4GB card...

 

Ooooh, AMD taking shots at a "700 dollar video card" LOL

 

For that price, I think it's more than fair. We're used to overpaying for hardware that we (mostly) can't use in mobile.

 

Is it just me or did AMD just admit their drivers aren't ready? 2 480s matching a 1080 but only because the drivers aren't optimized so the cards are being used at a max 51% vs 98.7 on the 1080... That's not something to be proud of.

GDDR5 is cheap now that it's being dumped in favor of GDDR5X and HBM, I really think they should have pushed out higher memory in the card. No pricing for the 8GB though so I guess we wait to see what that comes out at.

Edit: Just as we all feared, Zen will be for desktops and servers but APUs only for laptops.

Overall I'm underwhelmed. Lisa mentioned at the end that the RX GPUs will be between 100 and 300 dollars so im curious about the 300 dollar card.

 

http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configure...1&storeId=10151&catEntryId=1327159&quantity=1
For anyone looking for the HP notebook that went up for sale along with the announcement
(Hopefully the link works)

 

No SSD? No SSD option? Yeah I "Envy" that machine soooooooooooo much...

 

At the very least we know which APU has 15w and which has 35w.

 

And a single 2133 8GB stick with no option for 2400 (which it supports) or dual sticks- which specifically increases APU performance...?

 

As usual, HP didn't even try.

 

For this price I am willing to go desktop. And AMD is well known for driver optimisations for 2 years at least. So you spend 200$ and forget about upgrades on 1440p except few top graphics memory demanding games.

 

Other than upgrading an 8/9 year old AMD build, I don't know where I would use a 980 class desktop GPU. For $200 it seems like a good upgrade to keep that old build going, but I'll wait for user reports first.

It's not going to take over 1080, or even 1070 slots on current builds, but it could be a good budget build GPU at $200.

As current 980 owners want to liquidate their old boards on the used market, the $200 AMD GPU is going to push down the used prices of 980's even further.

 

I don't understand why, but AMD CPUs very often wind up in laptops that are bad for reasons unrelated to the CPU (I suppose Intel CPUs do as well, but there are so many more laptops with them that it is not so noticeable). The HP machine is 15.6" in screen size and weighs 4.79lb. There's really no reason for it not to have a dual memory stick option. And the 7200RPM HDD with no option to upgrade is just mind boggling.

 

A 200$ current TOP card is a great use for parents who don't know anything about gaming but who want to make a gift for their children without spending too much
BTW I really like that TDP of this card is equal to the max possible power draw! This is an example where power throttle isn't made solely for power throttle.

 

This Computex left so many questions unanswered for me....

So is that all we can expect from Computex on GPUs? Was the announcement of RX480 a paper launch or what? When can we expect the actual shipping to be done? Lastly, if nothing was mentioned about mobile RX480, does that mean we are still far from its availability?

 

i know teraflops aint everything, but based on that the 480 could actually come dangerously close to the 1070. plus, there are gonna be both 4gb and 8gb versions of the 480 add to that the fact that 400 bucks worth of 480 CF is actually faster than a 600 dollar 1080, and AMD actually has got itself a winner

now lets wait and see what the reviews say to those specs in terms of real life performance

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After careful reading, I can reply to some questions on my own The availability and shipping date is June 29th and there is nothing more scheduled for AMD on Computex. The main question remains though: when can we expect mobile form of RX 480?

 

Most likely yes.

150w -> lower clocks and voltage > here we have 120w TDP version. That we all will ofc. overclock it to reach 150w again lol.

I hope that Mobile RX 480 would cost about 250-299$ and if it would have at least 120% performance of 980M/970 I would consider buying 2 of them, but probably it's not going to happen...

 

Just remember GTX 1080 is 180w where 480 CF is 300w.

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They were at only 51% of utilization so...

 

Imagine what it could do with 99% utilisation.. Its early days for the driver so give it a month or 2 to see how it performs..

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I see both sides of buying a card with that claim. One, if you don't care that you're getting half now with a risk of gambling they will actually create a 2x perf gain over time, then it's $200 (probably more for 8GB) well spent. If you upgrade your card every year, it's not for you.

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besides, since when do enthusiasts care about energy consumption? (when not related to limiting thermal headroom, of course )

 

The question to me is why AMD brought losers to their party like Microsoft, HP and Dell?

 

Yeah that was the most interesting part of the presentation lol

 

Fingers crossed for polaris mxm cards, this sounds like a dream MXM card.

 

But at 100w. I reject idea of 120w card!

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polaris 11 for you and the m15x then. the rest of us will go polaris 10 at 120W

besides: u can always downclock....

 

http://videocardz.com/60819/amd-radeon-rx-480-confirmed-as-polaris-67dfc7
If there was any doubt what the RX 480's codename was. This also may give light to what the Polaris 11's codename is.

 

Interesting. So this would put RX 480 performance to ~106% of GTX 980 (matching ID from that earlier 3dmark 11 leak):



http://videocardz.com/60253/amd-radeon-r9-480-3dmark11-benchmarks

 

And yet, it's essentially better than Fury X at DX12, 1440p and highest settings in Hitman Pro (quite possibly Doom too).
These leaked benches are misleading a bit since I do not think they measure Polaris properly.
Besides, we don't know what the final clocks will be.

Polaris could easily turn out to be just a hair slower than 1080 at above settings in DX12... at which point, would the buyers in mid-range dekstop market and high-end gaming laptop markets care for Nvidia?
I guess it depends on what 1070 brings... but we have yet to see proper tests of Polaris 10 or 1070 for that matter

 

thing is, we wont be able to nail down exact numbers yet, since its been said thar polaris 10 aka 480 will come in different flavours, i.e. different performance tiers. for example, the cheapest 480 will go for 199$, whereas the CF combo beating the 1080 in ashes of the singularity was quoted at slightly over 500 bucks...!

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Yeah, caught that 2 x $199 not equal to $500

It's likely the $500 CF is made up of 2 x 8GB cards, and that's where people divided by 2 and estimate a single RX480 8GG is $250 while the $199 model is the RX480 4GB.

It's too bad AMD didn't pile enough elements into one core to compete directly for desktop/laptop slots with Nvidia.

 

Read somewhere that the 8GB version is 230dlrs. The picture quoted the crossfire setup at lower than 500dlrs, not more than 500dlrs.

 

quote: "Switching over to a more gaming-focused theme, Koduri said that Nvidia’s new $700 graphics solution, the GeForce GTX 1080, offers premium DirectX 12 performance at 58.7 frames per second in Ashes of the Singularity. However, two Radeon RX 480 cards in CrossFire mode can crank out 62.5 frames per second in the same DirectX 12-based Ashes of the Singularity benchmark. While that may seem unfair to compare one GPU against two, it’s the price point he’s singling out: the two RX 480 cards combined costs just over $500."

link: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-computex-2016/

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Lisa Su mentioned at the very end that Polaris will fall between 100 and 300 dollars so 275 for the 8GB card wouldn't surprise me, especially still being over a hundred cheaper than the 1070.

 

We've got some conflicting information going on. First an article states a little over $500, but one of AMD's slides says less than $500. Unless that "<" was meant to be flipped the other way, then shouldn't have more credibility over an article?
WCCFTech also reports the <$500 as well.

 

Its less than 500. My guess is they're using two 8GB RX 480s around the 240 dollar price point. 40 bucks seems reasonable for twice the VRAM.

 

No, it wasn't. It was called "<500$" which means lower. So it was 8GB version.
Ahhhhhh, too late.

I suppose average AIB will go 250 but premium cards will be 250-300.

 

The only thing I'm wondering about Polaris is the CPU overhead. Previous AMD GPUs needed a capable CPU or else it wouldn't perform well (with my R9 285 + i7-5500u, as an example, there would be times it performed between an R7 250x to R9 270).

 

DX12 and Vulkan should help quite a bit on that end but DX11 I'm not so sure.

 

Not sure if posted, but info regarding the scaling and performance in Ashes of Singularity. It seems these new GPUs are scaling about 1.83 in crossfire:

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4m692q/concerning_the_aots_image_quality_controversy/

 

From Reddit AOTS AMA:

Thanks for the post, may I ask one question though? When it's claimed that there is only 51% GPU utilization does that mean 51% of each GPU is being utilized or that the performance scaling is equivalent to 151% of a single card?

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• AMD_RobertTechnical Marketing[S] 159 points 10 hours ago*
  
  Scaling is 151% of a single card.
  
  //EDIT: To clarify this, the scaling from 1->2 GPUs in the dual RX 480 test we assembled is 1.83x. The OP was looking only at the lowest draw call rates when asking about the 51%. The single batch GPU utilization is 51% (CPU-bound), medium is 71.9% utilization (less CPU-bound) and heavy batch utilization is 92.3% (not CPU-bound). All together for the entire test, there is 1.83X the performance of a single GPU in what users saw on YouTube. The mGPU subsystem of AOTS is very robust.

Figured this might be relevant.

 

So, huge overhead, or I'm missing something?

 

um, why? 183% scaling for a dual gpu system aint that bad at all

 

It is for AMD. AMD usually gets somewhere around 95%+. I've seen over 100% scaling with two Fury X cards in firestrike.

 

well, were still talking about as yet unavailable hardware / software combo, so....

 

No updates after this seems like.. I really want a Polaris MXM GPU nowwww.. My 970M is struggling to handle 1440p without an overclock..

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I know I realized this a little late, but what was up with those pocket salad? I know Pocket Squares are all the rage, but there's no way no matter how hard they try they are going to be able to make Pocket Salads a trend.

 

Still think that these might stick for Mobile Polaris:

Desktop Polaris 10

Mobile Polaris 10