Mobile Polaris Discussion

Fair enough. So now 780M scores under 8k? Seem to remember 680M getting above 8k at 1ghz..

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I dunno, that's not very impressive score for a card whether it be a modern one or one from the Kepler era - that GPU score is only 15% more than my overclocked 670MX (doesn't go over 70 degC in a 26 degC room in the Summer shows how efficiently it runs), and that's not even on the same level as an overclocked 780M. Just comparing 3DMark benchmark scores is not showing 8970M in a particularly positive light. Gaming might show the 8970M in a better light, but an overclocked 780M can score in the region of 10000 Graphics Score in 3DMark11, which is significantly more than the 7800 score of your 8970M. Still, that's all old & very slow scores when comparing against Maxwell & let alone Pascal. You can still get some good playability in games out of that 8970M of yours though, likewise I can on my 670MX.

 

I could barely, if at all, ever get the 780M SLI to run at 12.5K-13K in 3dmark 11 at this same voltage. If I had a second 8970M, I should be pushing 15K easily in 3dmark11. I'm not sure if this is an Alienware problem or not, but no matter what I tried to stave off the throttle (did not show any throttle in GPU-Z), I barely, if ever, could crack 13K with a 780M SLI.

 

That's strange you had such low scores with 780M sli. Stock 780M scores the same as your overclocked 8970M: http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-780M.88993.0.html
And that's with the core clock only at 823Mhz on the 780M, an 'easy' 1Ghz overclock would get you another 20% performance. I'm not sure that AMD driver optimisations can make up that 20% performance difference in games. We just want new cards from AMD & NVidia that are MXM and support LVDS, but AMD needs new mobile cards full stop! (7970M/8970M/(M290x or something along those lines) are all from 2012 effectively).

 

Another quick comparison, ran Userbenchmark for fun, got a 46% bench for graphics ( http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/1904475) wheras the 780M sits at 40.1% (one extreme bench got it into the 46%), and the GTX 670MX at a paltry 19.2% (best case of 22%), so there is a definite discrepancy. One of us is reading numbers wrong.

 

Well my 670MX is overvolted & then overclocked by 88% - I get 88% (roughly) more performance than a stock 670MX - crazy right! stock 670MX is only 600Mhz, that's why. All these cards are old though: 7970M/780M/670MX. (I'm not reading numbers wrong).

 

Although I think we've derailed a bit from the polaris topic, post a quick bench with userbenchmark, it is a fairly quick assessment.

 

Yeah, I agree, we've gone on too long. I'm not gonna make it worse by posting a userbenchmark too - afterall you can see my 3DMark11 & 3DMark scores in the links in my sig anyway (if you're curious).

 

Those early Keplers were hugely underclocked at release including the 680M. All of them could make a pretty easy 900mhz without breaking a sweat. Yup all these cards are super old. I guess for now the best efficient card out there is the 970M and the more rare M4000M.

If only the 470M RX came out in MXM 3.0B with LVDS support things would look a little different.....

 

Should be able to clock even higher (or it's just as limited as 7970M), this was the score that I got with my 7970M when I still had my R4

 

http://videocardz.com/63918/amd-to-launch-radeon-rx-470-with-1792-stream-processors

Rumors about a "light" version of the RX 470.

 

These would be great low tdp high clock mobile cards.

A 1800 SP card at 90w tdp would be feasible 970M upgrade. I hope they make an official mxm for laptops release with lvds support.

Please listen AMD!

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Hey guys have their been any reports of the RX 460 fitting into MXM 3.0a?

I would definitely love to keep using my M4600 as my main machine for many years to come, I think I just love they keyboard along its layout, you know how we can be, keyboards can make or break what laptop you end up getting you know?

Got it working with the m5100 for now, which is definitely much better than the Quadro 1000m it used to have it lol but hey, if I can get more life than I certainly will!

 

There is a very high chance the e9250 card will be mxm 3.0a. Consuming 50w and having around 900 SP, 128bit bus at 7gbps gddr5. 2.5Tflops puts it at a pretty high performance level!

Question for many however is will the new cards support LVDS. Your M4600 is in that boat as is my M15x!

We find out by christmas I believe.

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Then let us hope that Santa Claus has some nice E9550 samples in his bag! Would luv to breath some new life into my aging P570WM - along with an oc'able Xeon 10 Core proc!

 

The new MacBookPros appear to have GPUs based on Polaris 11 which is the first instance of it that I've seen so far. Are there any non-Apple Polaris 11 laptops out there?

 

New crApple machines use RX450, Radeon Pro. Too bad no 485 or 490, I expected the 85 and upper range but given the TDP they can't possibly use them at all. I don't know whether this deal would affect hose 490, 485 MXM3.0b cards...

 

We need to be patient. Even an article dated on the 15th states that the release of these cards won't happen for a few months. Lets keep our fingers crossed!

It does indeed seem that AMD has made some process improvements perhaps in addition to binning as the E9950 performs just like the RX480 except at 65W more efficient at just 95W. While the Polaris 10 part the E9260 is based on the RX460 that drops TDP from 75W to under 50W.

Not bad I suppose if they actually surface. Never know with AMD.....personally would love to pick up a e9550 along with a nice mini pcie AC+BT4 card and give my M15x a final boost of life to take it to 10 years of life!

 

Just for reference regading the 3dmark11 discussion and Kepler, here is a run with my GT60 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6839791

Are there any news regarding RX 480 for notebooks? I am interested in seeing how it performs. I could totally recommend such a GPUs for decent gaming laptops at good prices.

 

Yes above. Need to wait a few months yet. 95w mobile rx480 coming soon.

Your 780M 3dmark11 run at stock?

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Official specs of Radeon Pro GPUs used in new MacBook Pro:

Radeon Pro 450 - 1.0 TFLOPS, 10 compute units (640 stream processors), 2GB VRAM, 80 GB/s memory bandwidth
Radeon Pro 455 - 1.3 TFLOPS, 12 compute units (768 stream processors), 2GB VRAM, 80 GB/s memory bandwidth
Radeon Pro 460 - 1.86 TFLOPS, 16 compute units (1,024 stream processors), 4GB VRAM, 80 GB/s memory bandwidth

35 watts TDP

http://creators.radeon.com/radeon-pro/
http://radeon.com/en-us/radeon-pro-graphics-debut-in-new-macbook-pro/
http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2216742

 

Doubtful, I am pretty sure it is overclocked. I don't have the GT60 at hand to check or test. Assume it was an overclock of up to +135mhz core and probably 300-400mhz on memory.

 

Haha! Well some of us have patience more than most this is last chance saloon though...will never buy a new gaming laptop with the OEMs and Nvidia in complete partnership to screw enthusiasts over needlessly.

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According to this page for the 13 R3 (credit goes to Govt. Rick Perry for finding it), the 13 R3 sports an RX GPU. It's likely an RX 460.

 

You have just saved my day after the disappointment of the new MAC Book releases. Hopefully the OLED display is not limited to the Nvidia configs !

 

Is AMD's release of relatively low TDP and underpowered Polaris GPU's a surprise?
Not really.
This was largely expected anyway.t Those are Polaris 11 (lower TDP part) and Polaris 10 if I'm not mistaken.
Unless they are all Polaris 10 based of RX 460 but cut down.
It's standard Apple tactic to sell an entry range GPU for a larger than high-end price.

Customizable laptops from say Clevo or MSI that include E9550 (IF they include it) would likely end up costing 50% less.
All we have to do now is wait until E9550 is released.

 

Dream-on about msi, I still have some hope for Clevo.

 

Dream on about Clevo too. At least where mxm 3.0b is concerned. They are in bed with ngreedia to screw us as much as possible.

I hope AMD manufacture e9260 and e9550 independently with a nice big middle finger up at nvidia

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AMD will most likely (definitely?) use E9260 and E9550 in consumer laptops.
Current articles indicated that these gpu's are intended for embedded solutions as well as consumer laptops (mid and high end ones).

As for Clevo and MSI... we really won't know for sure until AMD releases the gpu's in question and see how many OEM's adopt them.
I really hope as many as possible do and provide us with quality components/options to boot without jacking up the prices.

 

Sightly off topic, but relevant to mobile AMD.
http://wccftech.com/amd-raven-ridge-apu-vega-zen-hbm-2017/

According to this article, this Raven Bridge Zen APU has a Vega based IGP with a performance equivalent to RX 460 and HBM.

In which case, it seems to be a good balance... as it would provide (at DX11 at least) performance between 40 and 55 FPS at High settings for a lot of games.
In DX12 however, it would probably be able to push towards or beyond 60 FPS?
The high bandwidth should definitely come in hand here.

Still, its a tad underwhelming... considering that most current AMD APU iGP's can achieve 1080p at medium/high settings.
Though I guess that the Zen APU might want to aim towards 1080p High settings and close to 60 FPS?

Wonder when in 2017 will this be released though.

 

Well there's still the claim that AMD is coming along with a couple of nGREEDIA MXM-B options. You are right though, there are no AMD options so far, but no nGREEDIA ones either (MXM-B). I think that by the year's end we can draw conclusion on whether or not Clevo + MXM-B would happen and then if Clevo + AMD would happen.

Don't know where to source chips and then if they'll supply the schematics/board design with them. There are quite a few companies around here that do custom boards, don't know how feasible would be though. Saying that I'm sick of the current situation, would be a HUGE understatement. A lot of people caved-in and bought proprietary Clevos, which is hurting us even more.

 

nvidia locking down overclocking in the past in laptops has deterred me from purchasing anything from them. Thats not to say I dont need something better though, my m5100 has saved my m4600 for now but since I cant seem to flash it for 1.1v for 1Ghz operation its time is also limited when it comes to modern titles.

My best option for now seems to be getting another m6600 and putting a m6100 in it, or take a chance again on the 7970m.

Anymore I dont care if its the best performance GPU from AMD, I just want something better, thats not nvidia. I really like my ability to change parts in my laptops...This is something I discovered after having my y510p SLI

 

http://videocardz.com/64047/amd-radeon-rx-470d-gets-its-first-full-review
It exists, but it's only limited to China.

 

Thanks for sharing

I check this forum everyday for news on mobile polaris lol

 

You are not the only one...

 

I don't see this being relevant. The 470D looks like a desktop card.

 

I've been waiting months for the RX480M; no further news on it apart from some benchmarks months ago. Do you guys think it has a chance of ever seeing the light of day? I'm really interested in owning a laptop with AMD graphics, but the only option that I see is the AW15 and it is not a feasible option for me. If it doesn't pan out by the holiday season, I'm going with Nvidia.

 

thus far, rumours indicate a release of embedded cards by the end of this year with regular radeon mobility gpus following in Q1 17

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The question is: What do we have to do that OEMs offer Radeon GPUs in their notebooks ? I am still waiting for a 13/14 inch device with polaris, but OEMs rather go with old maxwell chips instead (hello Micro$oft). Seems like no one wants our money ....

 

Apple did just announce they are continuing to use AMD, putting Polaris 11 into macbooks. At insane prices to us PC folk, naturally. Dell also have some Polaris 10 options. So not completely abandoned. And they will eventually get into the budget gamer lines from the likes of Asus and MSI

 

This was the same cut-down RX 470 that was rumored earlier but now confirmed. It was never meant to be a mobile card to begin with.

 

I think 1024 SMU APU will be the next AMD product to cause waves in the gaming market.

Could mean awesome value in gaming notebooks and steam machines in 2017. I am thinking of $400-500 for a good machine that performs like an Intel quad + 960m in DX12 games.

 

Uhm... Zen is not like previous iterations of Bulldozer architecture.
The single threaded performance should be much higher (on par if not a bit better than Intel clock for clock if the current reports are accurate) and an AMD Zen Quad core would probably have 8 threads (as they implemented the same technique in their CPU's as Intel did with SMT).

On the iGP... the specs indicate a Vega chip with specs identical to RX 460... shouldn't it be faster than 960m in that case, especially with the premise that it would also have a bandwidth advantage?

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Zotac-...ini-PC-with-AMD-RX-480-graphics.182368.0.html
Zotac's mini PCs usually come with mobile GPUs, so it seems a mobile RX 480 is being used here. Sadly, it's a 4 GB model.

 

Yep, it does look too small to be having a desktop card in there, so MXM would make sense.

 

I should mention that it uses 180w PSU.

 

btw, zotacs zbox now also comes with a 1070 in standard mxm form factor, just saying... ^^

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So basically I have to spend 2,5k to get two 1070's MXM 3.0b to breath new life in my Panther?

I'll rather wait for the E9550 then or even Volta!

P.S.: so what's da Story Morning Glory with ya new rig?

 

That also depends if those GTX 1070 MXMs have SLI pins.

 

not necessarily! u can swap out the 1070s with the gpus u have installed right now and then sell the zotac systems off, that way u can greatly minimize the actual net cost

either that or sell the zotac barebones and current gpus separately

PS: yeah, my new rig... already playing around with it and getting to know my new hardware ^^ still a few days off for further details though, gotta take care of something first.

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