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    Mobile Polaris Discussion

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by moviemarketing, Jan 4, 2016.

  1. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    I've stumbled upon these models as well, but are there any internal pictures? Couldn't find any of the ERX480 either.

    I'm not doubting binning, but we have clear evidence that there are good chips that would go into E9550 and quite likely here as well, hence the 180W brick. What about 1070? Any indications about binning? As far as I can tell the whole move to the current situation was to avoid it, or rather, avoid the sweating over consumer parts and put everything good onto Quadro boards. With that said, would love to see the internals of both ERX480 and EN1070.

    XDMAXDMAXDMA :D
     
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    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

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    Wait wait wait... Are you saying it's technically POSSIBLE for there to be an 1070 MXM 3.0b that works with older Clevo laptops?
     
  4. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Working is a story all by itself as always, but now we are adding - fitting. It would fit, would it work, well...
     
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    And most probably they have no SLI connector as well. Bummer for me....
     
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    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    exactly. from my point of view, software can always be dealt with, whereas physical dimensions is a bit harder to adjust for ^^

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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  7. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Naaaah, it's your hammer that's too small, just get a bigger one and swing it like a Viking :D

    Well the RX 480 should work in CF :) I'm REALLY curious to see it in action. After all, since the XDMA introduction, there was no laptop to feature AMD GPU, let alone two in CF.
     
  8. CaerCadarn

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    As soon as they are available you will have your happy guinea pig!
     
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  9. King of Interns

    King of Interns Simply a laptop enthusiast

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    That was said about m295x and noone became a guinea pig...xdma likely works there too if at all.

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    I can't remember that they have been available. Never seen them on the free market.
    Afaik the 295x has been a special CrApple thingy, right?
     
  11. bennyg

    bennyg Notebook Virtuoso

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    Since there was no difference from 8970M they probably didn't bother with the effort of renaming unless it was an OEM contract dictating it. I'm sure Dell and apple had no conscience marketing a M295X as a 'next generation Radeon graphics card'
     
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    You're thinking of the r9 m290x. The r9 m295x and its rebrands are lower clocked versions of the R9 380x.
     
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    bennyg Notebook Virtuoso

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    I stand corrected. I kinda assumed how bad they nerfed Tonga in review units to fit into a mobile-ish power/thermal spec the idea was abandoned and they just rebadged pitcairns.

    Lol, on googling, it looks like it WAS no faster than a Pitcairn based M290X ......
     
  14. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    It was/is faster than that, but one can't get an MXM to try out.
     
  15. King of Interns

    King of Interns Simply a laptop enthusiast

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    The M295X mxm card is certainly available for just over $400. Definitely faster than M290x but also hotter!

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  16. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Way hotter... It was a 125W TDP card... But then again it was put in BGA in most cases and the AW15 with its crappy cooling..

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  17. King of Interns

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    It was at 980M levels of heat. That was also a 125W card. Problem was it performs at around 970M levels of performance not better at stock so less efficient.

    Then again drivers have much improved since it's release for GCN so it might well perform quite well in a machine that was designed to cool at 980M.

    I ran 6970M, 6990M, 7970M, 680M and 980M in M15x and can say with certainty that the 980M was the hottest. So hot that the M15x could not cool it even with liquid metal TIM. 6990M is second hottest being a shade over 100W and with an undervolt was just stable in M15x. The others were solid 100W tdp cards and rock stable.

    If the M15x had a higher thermal capacity heatsink (originally designed for 75W cards) I might give the card a shot just to clear all doubt about performance. Right now we only know how the card performd in a gimped BGA package not in MXM so it isn't exactly fair to judge the card.

    Anyway at 440 a pop it isn't cheap. Not prohibitively expensive but not cheap either. To test XDMA...900 dollars. hmmm!
     
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  18. King of Interns

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    Zentrica is minimum order 10 however WDL you can buy single cards: http://www.wdlsystems.com/GPU/MXM/TUL-R9-M295X-MXM-Graphics-Card.html

    These are the only 2 suppliers I can find personally. Specs:

    Model Name

    E295MF

    Graphics Processing Unit

    GPU

    AMD Radeon R9 M295X

    Process Technology

    28nm

    GPU TDP

    125W (M290X: 100W)

    Graphics Engine Operating Frequency (max)

    800Mhz (M290X: 850mhz)

    MXM type

    MXM 3.0,Type B

    CPU Interface

    PCI Express® 3.0 (x16)

    Shader Processing Units

    2,048 shaders (M290X: 1280 shaders)

    Floating Point Performance

    ROP/TMUs: 32/128 (M290X: 32/80)

    Floating Point Performance

    3,277 GFLOPs peak single-precision (M290X: 2,176 GFLOPs)

    DirectX® capability

    DirectX® 12

    Shader Model

    Shader Model 5.0

    OpenGL

    OpenGL 4.3

    OpenCL

    OpenCL 1.2

    Unified Video Decoder (UVD)

    UVD 5.0 for H.264, VC-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 part 2 decode

    Memory

    Operating Frequency (max)

    1,375 MHZ / 5.5 Gbps (M290X: 1,200 MHZ / 4.8 Gbps)

    Configuration, type

    256-bit wide, 4 GB, GDDR5

    Go one someone pull the trigger it would be a fun experiment :) in a decently designed laptop with cooling adequate for a 980M perhaps even a bump on the core would be possible and then things might get interesting!
     
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  19. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    I think that with recent drivers performance should be on par with 980m.
     
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    say what! M295X = 980M? hard data please! :D
     
  21. King of Interns

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    Not sure about that. Clock for clock however it is much more powerful ;)

    M295X = solid 970M with adequate cooling

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  22. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Its obsolete so no one will interested in it lol..

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    Just like 970M is obsolete. Doesn't mean I wont be getting one after getting dissappointed by e9550 by the end of year :)

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    Reciever D! For Dragon!

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    Depends on if your laptop is lvds connection to the display this new cards aren't compatible sadly. There has been a lot of digging into this in the
    the hopeful of keeping mxm 3.0 b alive thread.

     
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    Reciever D! For Dragon!

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    Damn.

    Looks like I can't give amd my money or support this way.

    Guess I'll be going the ultrabay EGPU route to stay amd
     
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  27. King of Interns

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    Nope this is not confirmed yet. E9260 may suppory lvds yet

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    I thought someone confirmed that the rx 480 mxm didn't have lvds support and that the E9260 was just the process enhanced version/embedded version that used only 95w????
     
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    The rx480 mobile is basically a ghost card. I am hoping e9260 and e9550 will be more available.

    E9260 as a lower tier card *may* have better chance supporting LVDS than its bigger brother. I remain hopeful. I guess we find out for sure by early next year.

    Would love a e9260 personally. A 50w 970M contender. With a 20% OC it would be a fast and cool performer up to 1080p in games and thermally help out my 920xm that is effectively at the usual 3.6ghz across all cores that I run it 24/7 a space heater.

    On another note e9550 is the process enhanced full blooded 95w RX 480. The e9260 performs at a much lower level. Probably somewhere at or just above a stock 970M but at 50w or less! Basicay you get m295x performance in a 50w package...

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    Depends on which market those products are targeted at. A RX480 is probably too powerful for driving those industrial/advertising displays. If they are really made for VR kits the chance of using LVDS isn't high.
     
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    He got a BGA book... poor fella.

    Lets show some support for AMD mate. Nobody else will challenge Nvidia

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    Sometimes I think AW deliberately puts more nails in AMD's coffin with its pricing. Desktop RX 470 is 30% cheaper than 1060 which should translate to the same ratio in mobile space, but for some genius reason they decided to price it at the same level with 1060, though it is obviously slower. The same was for M295X/395X cards.
     
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    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Exactly. Also why 470, when there's 480?
     
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    Alienware already busy with enough cooling system troubles?......

    Lol autocorrect wanted to have me write COOKING system. Would a 480 in a laptop sold right now still be one in the 150W TDP bin?
     
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    Theoretically the e9550 should be available soon ;) Strongly note first word there!

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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    That graphics score is a joke.. My 970M can easily beat that score... Physics score is not better!

    Lol RX480 doesn't use 150W... Whichever way, I'm sure it would run cooler than the 1080 in the AW!
     
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    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Something that I'm saying for quite some time:



    People only want AMD to compete, to buy nGREEDIA's next abortion anyway. Keep on going that way. The next gen nGREEDIAs would come with lube, but it wont be included in the price/package.
     
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    That made me chuckle. Good one :)

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    If AMD choose not to invest or compete in the whole high end mobile section of the market, you can't blame customers for not buying their non-existent products.
     
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    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    If you watched the video, you'll see that things go "slightly" before that, when they not only had, but were competitive, not to say better AND cheaper. People still bought nGREEDIA, because any random person on the street would tell you that someone said, that his uncle heard two guys talking, that this is the right choice... Not to mention the drivers. Or AMD CPUs catching fire... The word of mouth is a VERY strong thing. So, your comment is completely irrelevant.
     
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    I was talking about right now, obviously. (Just like you have the emo turned up to 11 right now for whatever reason)

    The content of that video tells me Nvidia are better marketers, because if people aren't buying on the specs there's some other reason for it that Nvidia have created to get people to buy what is objectively a worse value proposition. They are also better strategists and know how to exploit their market position both in standard stuff like product pricing and in various underhanded ways too. Its just smart business to create a super top end niche and slap a crazy high price tag on it. Do you hate Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche too?...

    You can hate them because they don't sell you a GPU as cheap as you'd like, but they got there by being better than AMD in a lot of ways over a long time.
     
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    Thank you for being the voice of reason here.
     
  45. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Well right about now is a consequence of a long story before-hand. There are VERY RARE cases where something "just happened". In most cases there's smoke before the fire is seen.

    ?

    Yes nGREEDIA are great marketers (I've always put them second to Apple) and what's even better, they handle the "elite". All the "little boys" (not obligatory to be literary a little boy, to be "little boy") watch the "big boys" (again, same) play with certain hardware and they want it too. They can't afford it though and then they go with what their pocket allows, but from the same brand, obviously, "cuz' that's what the big boyz are rollin', yo". The video clearly implied that and I said it in my post as well - the uneducated buy goes to nGREEDIA and grIntel *insert the "quote" again*. I've been there as well. When I was building my first desktop in 2005 (previously I had a Pravetz-8 from early 90s, but there's nothing to be built about it) I was going for grIntel (P4 with HT, OH WOW!!!) and nGREEDIA GPU. Why? Already said - uneducated. Thankfully my budget wasn't up for the task and the sales guy recommended me Sempron instead (good luck having a sales guy recommend you anything AMD now, no matter the country). Went with it. The GPU was FX5500 and it was defective out of the box (sign of fate again?), they didn't have another to replace it (since it was a whole batch) and got 128bit 9550 instead, which I later flashed to 9600 Pro. Well after this (and by "well after" I mean a few years ago when I started digging, after I found out about the grIntel's bribery) I realized what exactly happened and that I ended-up with a better machine than I thought I'd be getting, both in terms of CPU and GPU. There's quite the story afterwards and if you are curious enough, you can find it. I'll tell you this though - only recently (Q2 2015) I drew the guns against nGREEDIA.

    I can't argue with this, especially when you have people ready to buy these things. What AMD gains of top end? Is it a smart business to shovel money in area that's obviously not profiting for you? That's easy way to go bankrupt. AMD always had competitive products, but they weren't bought no where near as much as anything nGREEDIA. As (I hope) you can see, their budget is getting slimmer by the minutes. So again, tell me more about smart business.

    Do you try to prove your point? You did the exact opposite. ALL of them are owned by "inferior" brands. It only goes to say that Halo products can only do and go that much. And since you made it a matter of our discussion, I was really saddened (it wont be a stretch if I say brokenhearted) when VW Group bought Porsche. I can only imagine what Wendelin Wiedeking felt like when he was announcing his resignation, there was a lot of pain in his voice. How Porsche was the one that was going to buy VW and it ended-up bought instead is something that I really didn't want to look at, since I really hate how things played-out (I can make a guess, since the negotiation took quite some time). Sometime I might have a look to get a life lesson, especially when I gear-up to buy VW Group :D And to answer your question - I don't hate them. I hated Ferrari at some point, since Chris Harris did a pretty good essay on "How Ferrari spins". Since he not only drives them, but does so around Fiorano and all over Modena, I guess all is fine with the world again. I kinda hate (most of) the recent Porches, but it's not because of the price. It's because this is what I was afraid of when VW bought them, a nightmare come true - forced-induction-dual-clutch-AWD everything. It might be a bit overly generalized, but then why 911R happened?

    I hate them because of numerous reasons and quite a few of them are already stated in this or in "The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!", the rest are all over the forum and the post is already lengthy enough. They did A LOT of wrong these past couple of years and I don't see a glimpse of them trying to fix things, unlike Porsche (911R, then again profiteers drove prices to ridiculous levels) and (probably) Ferrari (I really can't tell if Ferrari bought CH or not, but by default I chose to believe in good until proven bad) in the above example. And to drive the point home with 911R - watch the EVO video with Andreas Preuninger about it. They hoped to get away with the direction of new GT3s, but thankfully people pushed back! I can't see this about nGREEDIA, so they not only push $h!t, but they do so at pretty penny.

    Yep they are indeed "better" - they managed to outdo AMD when it comes to bad drivers, they are the mother of all failure rates (remember 8xxx series, actually even before that, but GPUs in laptops weren't all the rage to take such proportions, there STILL are failures, but people keep it under radar) and the list can go-on. So I would like you to give me some examples of what exactly they did better (without quotes)? I already told you why they sell better (IMO).
     
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    Looks good but if the last relevant mobile hardware we have is the 8970M....it's not going to be of much benefit to us.
     
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    True I guess though it should serve to close gap with 780M which is impressive considering the gap between the cards at launch...

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    just an fyi to crossfire 8970m users and m290x. You must disable ulps after installing drivers later than catalyst 16.7.2 and before rebooting after install or the system hangs while trying to shutdown or restart and you have to hard shutdown by holding the power button otherwise. This was quite the nightmare until I found a thread on amd forums of others complaining about the same problem. Something to do with windows trying to talk to the secondary gpu and it can't.
     
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