Mobile Polaris Discussion

Any idea if we gonna get anything better than an r470 alienware / HP as the only choice for laptops? Pretty pathetic selection and not enough power.

Really wanted an AMD Msi GT73 but its never gonna happen is it.

 

AMD Radeon RX 460 Unlocking from 896 to 1024 Stream Processors
http://overclocking.guide/amd-radeon-rx-460-unlocking-1024-stream-processors/

 

haha, no way! hilarious, reminds me of the good ol´ATI Radeon 9xxx days

 

Haha, there was a similar issue with early desktop RX480s where a BIOS flash turned 4GB ones to 8GB ones.. AMD can be so lazy sometimes lol

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We don't like this?

 

yeah, was about to say...issue? rather a hidden feature

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There was also this "issue" ....lol

http://www.overclock.net/t/1567179/...iji-unlockability-tester-ver-1-6-and-atomtool

Thanks AMD!

 

Just read something about a upcoming zotac mini PC using a RX 480 mxm card. Don't know if this was already posted ...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10811...f-pc-with-intel-core-i5-amd-radeon-rx480-usbc

 

Any further news on E9550 in laptops?

I know Zen news have taken off by quite a bit, though I was under the impression that E9550 should have been released by now for casions, etc.
I couldn't find any other news on this, but then again, my search parameters could be limited.

 

that card wont be released to market until end of this year / beginning of next, so still a bit of waiting to do...

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Lets say 2017 now 2016 is pretty much done with (thank goodness...)

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That's why I asked.
It was stated (as far as I can remember) that it should be released by the end of 2016... and while I agree that 2017 doesn't begin for another 5 days, shouldn't have we heard something about it by now?

I think this week is rather uneventful, and I doubt we will hear anything on it... though it would be a pleasant surprise if we did.
Plus, I have a hankering suspicion we could see E9550 released in early January simultaneously with Zen.

Hm... it might make sense if they start offering mobile Zen with E9550 (which is something I'd jump on, provided the OEM's don't nerf AMD systems as usual).
High end Zen CPU with 2k res capable GPU of desktop 480 performance at just 95W. Might end up as a great budget option for a 'mid-range' all AMD laptop - at the very least, I'm hoping such a configuration would at least cost much less than an Intel i7 6700 + 1060 (which is a way too expensive combo if you ask me - accompanied by potential performance issues with 1060 running slower than 980m).

 

AMD release ETAs... works of fiction

The E9550 is not a consumer oriented part either that may make it invisible to normal consumer channels, no ads or reviews etc

I'd like it too if AMD to put some effort into re entering the mobile segment but I think they're flat out trying to get Zen and Vega done first. Then they have to get the 4 core Zen out for mainstream and optimise it for low power. Add in the delay in development of new model laptops with AMD chipsets (because no-one's bothered with them for a long time now). It looks a looooong way distant.

Plus what are you referring to about 1060 performance? I don't think it's in question at all that its faster than 980M for less power.

If you're referring to the "decremental" performance loss with each Nvidia driver release, that will affect 980M as well

 

AMD release ETA's have been accurate lately.
The only issue seems to be with mobile releases (and that could be easily down to OEM's rather than AMD).

As for E9550 not being a consumer oriented part... we know this, however, it was suggested it might be used in consumer space as well... I mean, AMD would be positively nuts to not do so as it would easily crush mobility 1060 in performance and power draw.

1060 is faster than 980m only in some systems where the cooling system works properly for that GPU... MSI and Clevo based laptops if I'm not mistaken.
Everywhere else however, the GPU is throttling to the point where its actually slower than 980m and not worth the money (systems with 980m are actually a better option).

As for drivers... oh we know that Nvidia stops supporting their GPU's within a short span of time... AMD doesn't, which is why their GPU's mature far better and frequently end up a lot faster.
Plus now, with AMD stepping up their game in driver releases, we will likely see more optimizations earlier on than before.

 

http://videocardz.com/65315/amd-radeon-rx-560m-to-become-the-first-radeon-rx-500-series-card
More Polaris GPUs? Maybe more announced at CES.

 

Vega was recently in the news, and at least as far as 5xxx series goes, it's been reserved for Vega based chips.
If I understood announcements on Vega accurately, it will replace the existing Polaris GPU's as well in that tier too (though I could be wrong about this).
But if Vega replaces Polaris in that case, then that means that Polaris was a stop-gap measure before Vega.

As for how this reflects on the mobile cards... the 5xx series could be rebadged Polaris for all we know, but I'm hoping it won't be.
Because if Vega does replace Polaris entirely as well, then it might mean Vega based mobile chips in low/mid/high ranges.

That might also explain the lack of availability of mobile Polaris GPU's (though we know that a big part of this is also OEM lack of adoption).

 

http://wccftech.com/amd-evga-vega/
If this is true, I wonder if EVGA will have an AMD-based laptop.
Also, should we make a "Mobile Vega Discussion" thread?
EDIT: While not Polaris, it seems the other R9 m400x GPUs have made it into another computer, the Dell XPS 27.

 

Seems like Polaris was a stepping stone to Vega for AMD.
We might not really see a big adoption of Polaris in mobile space vs say Vega.
I'd actually prefer to see Vega replace Polaris offerings due to improved architecture, efficiency and performance outright, however, that doesn't seem likely this early (then again, what do I know... we've seen so many announcements that anything could happen).

 

https://twitter.com/killyourfm/status/817441453148282880
So, according to this tweet (and his first response), there will be a performance breakdown of the AW 15 R3 with i5-7300HQ + RX 470. We've only seen synthetic benchmarks, so it'll be interesting to see more performance metrics of the RX 470 in a laptop.
Also, http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ev...d-for-vega-rumor-gets-debunked-fast-real.html.
So, yeah, no AMD GPUs from EVGA.

 

You may be right, but if so, I don't understand what AMD is doing. Why develop a dedicated mobile variant (Polaris 11) if it's only ever going to be used for the MacBookPro and some low-volume machines almost nobody has ever heard of? CES is almost over and practically every laptop announced had either Nvidia or Intel graphics (the lonely exception being the 15" Alienware which, in its cheapest configuration, has a Polaris 10 card). Honestly, this is yet another one of those times when AMD makes a decent product which just isn't widely available.

 

Blame OEMs/ODMs - as simple as that.

 

AMD Radeon RX 570 spotted in Samsung notebook

 

Btw, the sources claim it to be a RX 400 series rebrand aka RX 470, but I do not agree with it, since it doesn't make sense to put as an alternative to mighty 1070 and in addition, there are 4/8 GB variants which might very well indicate RX 480 rev. 2 in a laptop.

 

rebranded doesnt always have to mean identical. could be the same chip just tweaked, oced, whatever...

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At the very least, there's another OEM that has an AMD option.

 

In which case, AMD can't be blamed as such.
It's OEM's that are at fault here.
It is possible that they won't take AMD seriously until they release Ryzen.

Also, those 560 and 570 cards in mobile might theoretically contain E9550 Polaris.
Though, I'd personally prefer Vega (I just don't know if its available in mobile form).

We do know that Apple is using entry Polaris mobile cards in their new Mac's.
Beyond that, no other OEM (apart from Alienware) seemed to have taken the steps to adopt Polaris as of yet.
So those new laptops with 5xx AMD cards could hypothetically contain Vega chips... and it would be nice if they did.

 

Well, HP does sell an Omen 15 with an RX 460, but it's China-exclusive. I don't know if it is still on the market, though.

 

Yes it's ODM/OEMs who haven't chosen to build many systems with mobile Radeons, but it's AMD's fault they haven't had a compelling product or even a reputation for support. I still see the odd thread from a 8970M owner saying they've had driver niggles ever since day 1 - the seller/reseller is ultimately responsible for a faulty product under statutory warranty in countries/jurisdictions with that kind of consumer protection and I can imagine they would also view AMD mobile based products as an added risk.

Bit of a fail for gecube to not make sure the RX480 MXM hardware wasn't developed to be compatible for drop in gaming laptop upgrades out of the 'box'. Clevo EC, screen EDID compatible, etc. I can't understand who else would be their target market?

 

I hate to play that card, but you see a market entirely flooded by nGREEDIA and they had/have their fair share of screw ups. So it's really the ODM/OEMs to be blamed for bending over to nGREEDIA and this is precisely what I was implying in the post above.

 

I'm not going to buy an Nvidia product next time around for my daily driver.

AMD really changed my opinion of them with the m8900, M5100, and r9 290x and I want to continue to support them.

I don't want a bga laptop, but I don't exactly desire the Phoenix 3.0 either. So I'm a bit stuck lol

 

Well, theres always the P7 series.... aka Batman

 

Yeah that's true

Overall I'd like more options at least we have a couple left lol.

 

When OEM's become sensible and put proper AMD technology into a laptop (CPU and a GPU)... then I'll upgrade my current 8 years old Acer (so, hopefully this year).

 

Is that all we're waiting on?

 

Lol... well, depends.
I'm ok with getting news updates on all AMD products... and while we see that in the case of Ryzen and Vega... very little is being thrown about on mobile hardware

 

Indeed, feels like AMD have given up on mobile... I don't mind but they really need to nail, the desktop side to have any hope!

 

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Asus-X...stol-Ridge-FX-9830P-im-Hands-on.194544.0.html
Another RX 460 laptop. Too bad it seems to be Indonesia exclusive.

 

Really ? On NBC they did not mention that it would be exclusive for Indonesia in their news. Would be interesting to see if ASUS did a better job with the AMD CPU+GPU combo than Lenovo did with the Y700.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Upcoming-Asus-X550UI-may-be-shipping-with-RX-460-graphics.194746.0.html
"According to Indonesian site Cursorpedia.com"
Google searches only show Indonesia, so it doesn't seem to go global.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-...016-2-9-GHz-460-Notebook-Review.195702.0.html
Radeon Pro 460 tested. About the same performance as a GTX 960m.

 

Ok If Asrock is starting actually sell motherboard with MXM slot then maybe they will provide us with option to buy those MXM cards. What You think...? Would be nice of them: http://www.asrock.com/ipc/overview.asp?Model=H110-STX MXM

 

That is not a consumer product.

You can always buy MXM cards for embedded devices. PC gaming is a different story.

 

Mini STX is still new though. Hopefully it takes off and demand is huge so there's interest in making MXM boards in bulk and more available in consumer channels... and more price competition of course... doubt it will be relevant to Polaris though.

 

It's a Polaris GPU on one of the pictures.

Where?

 

eurocom.com has a poll: What GPU would you like to get in your next laptop?

One choice would be a mobile Polaris: AMD Radeon RX 480.

Nice to see it considered! (esp. as Eurocom is a Canadian company, but they are restricted by what Clevo and MSI offer.)

(No prices given, so some responders might be be dreaming rather than planning.)

(No time frame given, so it is not clear whether they are planning for next spring, summer, or autumn [Canadian seasons].)

(Among poll choices, no Radeon Pro WX 7100, but no Quadro PxxxxM either.)

(I wonder if their possible laptop with RX480 could meet the BIOS IOMMUv2 & CRAT requirements to develop on top of AMD's ROCm compute stack.)

 

Holy Cow! Who in the right mind would vote for iGPU only?

 

Maybe someone who is hoping to use a Thunderbolt3 external GPU enclosure exclusively for their upgradable GPU needs?

 

Here's something that could be Polaris related:
http://www.universityherald.com/art...deon-rx-570-mobile-parts-samsung-notebook.htm

RX 570 mobile part.
Doesn't say if it's Polaris or not, but there's something in the article indicating a rebadge of the 400 series (whatever that means).
Now, which 400 series?
Do they mean Polaris as released on desktops or just 470 released for laptop in Alienware, or possibly the 400 series as Apple MB's will have?

This is too ridiculous to be honest.
There are practically 0 AMD Polaris options available, and Intel's 1050ti or even 1060 laptops are just too expensive.
Since when is a budget gaming laptop £1100?

Because that's mostly what I'm seeing on offer from laptops coming with 1050 ti.
And they come with 8GB RAM.
I upgraded to 8GB YEARS ago.
Why is 16GB not the norm, or even 32GB?

Is this 2011?
Because I bought 8GB for my ancient laptop (in signature - which I'm still using btw) on Dec 30th 2011.

I paid £600 for my laptop in 2008.That's dual core laptop with 3GB RAM and 9600m GT for £600 at the time.
It was mid range yes, but it would seem that 'mid-range' these days is DOUBLE the price.
Where the heck do retailers justify this kind of hike in price?
How is it impossible to get a 4 core, 8 thread CPU with 16GB, decent sized SSD, and 1050ti for at least £800?

Starting to think getting a laptop with a dedicated GPU is a bad idea these days...
People keep saying 'SSD's will come down in price'... after how long? It took a freaking decade to lower the price of a base 128GB to get it to affordable levels, and they've been producing them in massive abundance.
More high capacity and high performing SSD's and electronics that are brand new and function perfectly end up in the landfills and pollute the environment just so the OEM's can sell these things for a higher price.

Am I the only one who finds this ridiculous?

Well, I'm not paying for it.
I'm gonna stick to my current laptop for as long as it will run and until I can find something affordable to buy.

 

Well, there is only one option remaining my friend - switch to desktop side. There is so much more flexibility and variety when building a PC that you can build a decent rig in almost any price range. I'm becoming more and more disappointed in laptops after utter fiasco experience with my "dead mobo in a month" AW R4 2016. In particular, with Zen coming soon we might finally see some competition in CPU side of things and get even more affordable options for decent PCs, since mobile Zens, though highly anticipated, are not likely to come for some time.

 

Don't condemn us all to that fate just coz you got a POS dellienware. Just as they're going through an extended rough patch with QC and are copping blowback from enthusiasts for locking down their platform more and more, AMD have been going through a huge patch where they haven't had a competitive product against Maxwell or Pascal in the mobile space.

I would be trying a rx480 then in xfire just because I'm bored with nvidia's monopolistic behaviour if I knew there was even a potential workaround for the Clevo EC auto shutdown thing.