Modern Warfare 3 Discussion Thread

Can we maybe break away from the engine speak for a bit? Does it really matter what engine the game is running on? They are very similar, in essence.

It seems that game generations are developed around console lifespans. Therefore, I think that it would be "counter productive" for them to re-engineer a new game engine for a console generation that is very close to ending. If console gaming is a majority of revenue, then they're going to keep it a priority from a developmental standpoint.

I do believe that that the next major call of duty game will be "next generation"



Anywho, I think the story could be VERY interesting if it is done correctly. World War 3 just sounds like an awesome theme.

 

I think I might say yes : the engine plays a very important role, since it's pretty much the game's core...

And yes, a WW3 theme might be pretty interesting, let's hope it's not some overreactive "WE R FIGHTING IN ZE WAR!!11 WE MUST GO ROOOOGUEE!!11!! LOLOL" kind of thing. I hope it includes some adventure, in a sense of wanting to discover the rest of the story, and lots of action.

 

You miss a huge point here. 360 and PS3 have atleast 3 years left, enough time to improve on a previous engine. As of today, and basing off of past gaming history, we should have seen the next generation consoles already and they should be releasing next year, which we haven't seen anything and Nintendo so far is the first to poke it's neck out. You also miss that just because a console is locked to one piece of hardware for atleast 5 years, that you can't pull some extra potential out of it. RAGE engine alone is going to push a 5 year old console generation slightly farther then what UE3 has been doing or any current engine. Also new innovations are stumbled upon to do more with limited hardware, like normal mapping and parallax mapping for instance.

Back to discussion though, the trailer is very michael bay, the broken choppy audio is a direct rip from Transformers and it seems everyone (movie and games alike) Follow this scheme to try and create a "hype trailer". Fire looks like garbage but smoke and fire have never been CoDs strong point. The textures are of the same quality of mw2 which isn't saying much for the texture quality. What doesn't help CoD on consoles is the low resolution, if you look at comparisons of BLOPS on PC and 360/PS3 the resolution sharpens alot of normal maps and effects and are more pleasing, but consoles can't boast the same resolution which alot of these mapping effects falls apart because of.

Also just wanted to say not everyone enjoys a group gameplay were you have to rely on your team mates. I speak from YEARS of experience and every game I've played most people play for themselves. So for CoD to give an alternative and that the sales show that people do sometimes prefer that kind of gameplay to being forced to work as a group with people who don't. There are benifits to working as a group in CoD and strategize with partners, but I find unless they are my own group of friends, they are useless and don't help to achieve the end goal.

 

yeah can't agree with you because:

1. The overwhelming majority of buyers are investing in the game for Multiplayer.

2. Because of this it is essential for the multiplayer (MP) to run efficiently and at a high framerate. (see Blackops -- a travesty to what 3arch did to the IW3 engine)

3. For the smaller niche crowd that plays the game competitvely it is even more vital what engine is used and it if it is tweak-able/mod able for competitive support.

All very much more important than the story, which is singleplayer, for a predominantly MP game. COD series has never had a strong singleplayer campaign, and is not known for singleplayer as it's selling point.

 

WW3?

Isn't that what happened in cod 4, and then mw2 was ww4... so mw3 is really ww5?

Sorry the story is so disjointed that I am confused about whats going on. I think its like rest of the world vs soviets (again)

 

Who knows. It's basically going to be the same shoot-em up explosion fest that we've already seen for 3 games. You probably won't notice who you're shooting at anyway when you're skydiving from a missile onto a submarine whilst simultaneously disarming a bomb

 

You are kidding me right, CoD is basically a single player game and the multiplayer is just whoevers got the biggest gun wins kind of thing. Halfbof the buyers get CoD for single player only. Multiplayer just recently became popular. Battlfield is a multiplayer game with a single player add-on and CoD a single player with a multiplayer add on.

 

This i would completely have to disagree on, CoD since CoD 4 has had the largest online player base in ANY game... and it is mostly bought for the multiplayer. And no the online is not just "Who has the biggest gun" if you know how to maneuver the map and use advantage points and actually play the game tactically with a team the game is much more than just "who has the biggest gun".... i would have to agree that the previous CoD games from 1-3 is mainly single player, but the recent ones is mostly multiplayer...

 

Umm sir you are woefully incorrect. Call of duty series has ALWAYS been about the multi-player, even since the original COD and united offensive games. These games have been tailored for MP from the get-go.

UO ( united offensive) is still played by many people online. If you think anything different you are just misinformed. Period.

 

@naticus i have to completely agree! The main part of CoD series is the online, which gives it a extreme long life span... The single player has always been a part of CoD yes but not a bigger part than the online...

 

Yep. You should have seen the uproar at BashandSLAsh and neogaf, H forums when Treyarch had the audacity to claim in Blackops -- " Blackops MP free with every copy of COD" -- something to that effect. Actually is states it when you start BO MP, in the community info/news page.

This made quite a stir and was really a shot to the face when the devs at Treyarch know the overwhelming majority, i would guesstimate, that upwards of 80% or more people invest in the game for MP, not singleplayer.

Treyarch should not be allowed to get near another game.

 

Yeah it is about 80% that buys it purely for the MP, and holy molly did people get angry when a employed in Treyarch said that if the PS3 players kept complaining and they couldent fix the problems "They might have to shut the service down", imagine if they had shot down the ps3 multiplayer what masses of angry people that would have caused...

 

Activision has one goal in mind, your money!! Very evident with every installment of CoD, they are obviously jealous of how Madden can roll in money hand over fist every year.

 

Yeah, but im quite sure if not 100% sure that CoD is the best selling video game franchise in the world, and of course they have our money in their mind ; ) dont all video game developers? but yeah indeed the CoD franchise is a money hungry one, but hey with their success they are allowed it...

 

to be very onest i am a bit fed up with CoD games and that game style. i just want something a bit different not a whole new experience. something different. all COD have great campaign but i want something more interactive more to customize , just more to play.

as example i hate the fact that i have to click mouse on to climb up or down at witcher 2. to me it seems not a lot interactive and not dynamic at all. look at crysis 2 and 1 what have thy done with suits mode.on crysis 2 when you sprint it takes energy and you can enable cloak an sprint and blla blla blla. That makes more sense to me rather than choosing every time what suit mode you want like in crysis 1.

let the time tell and stop arguing what is what and what game what game engine is going to use. if you like it buy it if not i dont know.

i belie that BF3 will have superb graphics comparing trailer, look at the smoke. as for gameplay BF3 will be more like a simulation compared to COD simple shooing. there is another thing that i dont want to talk more and open debases of fan-boys no this no that. a lot of games are failing these days especially nfs series so just leave when the game comes out and argue with facts and not the trailers.

just my opinion and what i see. the truth is that BF3 for me and with what i have seen till now is going to be better for the first time after some years.

 

Cmon, I agree that after CoD4 the multiplayer has gained large popularity but before that it was 90% bought it for Single player. Yes now a days majority buy it for multiplayer but atleast 30-40% of buyers must be single player only. Though we can keep arguing about that unless we have proper numbers, nut lets just stop discussing that now. I am still interested in knowing in what engine it is going to use, any word from Infinity Ward or Activision on this?? Do they have some kind of forums where we could ask this question??

 

Tweets: When it was put to him on Twitter that "someone just needs to spend the $ and construct a new engine for the CoD franchise... Ground up," Bowling replied: "That would be counter productive. An engine takes years and years to develop and get right."

I don't see why it wouldn't use the IW4.0 engine + modified, considering IW is making the game. IW does not have rights to the Treyarch IW3 modified engine. So unless they have created an entirely new engine, which they haven't, they will use the modified IW4 engine. Simple as that.

 

Why would that cause an uproar? Are you kidding?

People are too sensitive nowadays. Also, I'm pretty sure it was poking fun at Medal of Honor, where you need an activation code to play the multiplayer. I.e. buying it used requiring you to buy the multiplayer portion

 

I think it is more the impression that the developers are conveying is: "MP is free, so don't complain about us charging you for dlc etc." It also has the tone that MP is free, for now but may not be for later.

Stupid message to add! Although 3arc must be commended for creating probably the best story among all cod games (which is not saying much)!

 

Only the last few years has the game made great sales figures, were as Madden has GREAT sales figures every year for almost 15 years now...

 

That is correct, but since CoD 4 the Call of Duty franchise has been the biggest video game franchise in the world. I am not saying madden isent selling good, it most likely is, but im just saying that the CoD franchise is the best selling as of these past few years...

 

lol I hear ya im not being a dink, and i fully understand the last 3 games have been best sellers in the consumer market, but if you take a whole franchise Madden has been king since 1988, even NHL put up huge numbers, and over all sales I think mario has EVERYONE beat, thats a crown that can never be taken, but yes CoD sells well for better or worse.

 

Dont worry youre not coming on as a dink ; ) and i would have to agree that madden and NHL has had a more "steady" sell number up in the highs which is in my book more impressive. But i do think that CoDs golden years are soon to be over, people are getting tired of cod earlier and earlier, but well see in time ; )

 

A slight bump, but I figured I'd pass it on...

Not that I play the series, but an article on Kotaku this morning (I'd link, but I'm at work) went into details on the multiplayer, so the nuke killstreak is now removed, team perks will be unlockable (as a team effort), and once again no dedicated servers. I don't know how people put up with this...

 

That is it.

Ain't gonna buy this. No dedi servers = hack fest = lag fest.

 

Well there really havent been any dedicated servers for the last few games have there? and another thing, i thought that the tac nuke was coming back and im quite sure that the black bird is back as well just under a new name...
EDIT: ohh just forgot to say, when im saying that there hasent been dedi servers i mean for the consoles not PC...

 

If he means for this PC in this article, then I wont be buying it.

Quoted from Kotaku:

"We've also learned, unfortunately, that this latest Call of Duty still won't support dedicated servers, instead relying on the hosted servers found in previous iterations of the game. Dedicated servers were removed from the Modern Warfare games starting with Modern Warfare 2. (Modern Warfare 3 appears to be using DemonWare for player authentication, just like with Call of Duty: Black Ops.)"

 

BO used steamworks. This article is flawed and false.

From Robert Bowling's twitter :

 

Damn no stopping power *sad face* that sucks. and hmm i really though there was gonna be nukes.

 

@ Phistacio
CallofDuty and Modern Warfare are considered two different entities now. Blacops had dedi servers, and Mw2 did not. This game falls under the MW camp, not the Call of Duty camp.

Also Steamworks has nothing to do with dedicated servers.

 

HAHA, no noob mode for you

Well... Let's hope I'm right and there'll be dedis...

I'm still leaning towards of not getting it though. BF3 is shaping to be 10000000000000000000x times better.

 

Wait wait wait, i thought that on the last minute Modern warfare 2 got back with Call of duty!!! Also look at how big the "Call of Duty" is on the new game cover. Im quite sure that Modern warfare and CoD is the same franchise... i could be wrong though...

 

Is everyone sure they won't be buying MW3 and instead buying BF3?

It's ironic that this thread is on page 1, and BF3 thread is on page 3. MW3 seems to spark more interest [whether good or bad ]

 

Anything with 'Modern Warfare' is considered an IW --and any other studio NOT Treyarch. Treyarch is considered the studio for Call of Duty, while IW and anyone else they decide are the Modern Warfare camp.

It is process of their '' a new game every year'' splitting titles and studios.

 

I know i know, they split it and put out a game every year, but are you sure that Modern warfare isent under the CoD Franchise? Thats the way most people see it.

 

Because lately, there hasn't been any new info about BF3

 

Of course it is in the Call of Duty franchise. I'm talking about studios, development and release cycles for particular games. For instance a Treyarch developed COD game will never have the words "modern warfare" as that is solely the right of IW. The same for the COD engines. Treyarch can not use the IW4 engine or any modification of that engine -- as of now anyway. While IW can not use the Treyarch engine (IW3 heavily modified) either -- even though it is based on IW's COD4 engine.

Crazy huh.

 

Yeah ok now i know what youre talkin bout : ) That i agree with, they are two completely different studios and they cant make games under the others name. And the thing with the engine is also copyrighted i know : ) Im catchin ya flow ; )

 

The Modern Warfare 3 Files: Team Perks, No Nukes, New Killstreaks

and no dedicated servers, either. bf3 will own mw3 in every imaginable way.

 

Way to not read a thread before posting in it.

 

NO dedicated servers is just a big F*** U to the PC Gaming community. This just shows how Infinity Ward does not give a about pc gamers, what is to be blamed for this- Piracy??

 

I don't know, I just come into this thread to do hit & run attacks on MW3 since Activision shafted me out of $60 for MW2, good thing I didn't buy BO.

 

i just buy these games to play online via ps3

 

So you blindly throw money at the developers until they're happy with how you've been robbed?

Damn sheeple, man.

 

OK, lets put some myths to sleep. Yes Modern Warfare 3 will be using the Infinity Ward 4.0 engine, but it will be a refined 4.0 engine.
Lots of developers do this. I think Valve, who made Left for dead with the same Engine they used for half life. They also used this engine for Left for dead 2 and Portal 2, albiet a heavily modified version, its still the same engine.
Robert Bowling has already said the IW4.0 engine has been modified for MW3.
Also, remember, Treyarch are not involved in anyway with MW3.

 

No offense, but IW needs to rebuild their engine from the ground up. As it stands, graphics aren't all that great, neither are player movements, maps are rather small and it doesn't do land, sea, air combat all in one in one large map.

 

Yep, at least the Source Engine is EXTREMELY moddable, light, graphically-nice, nice animations, unlike Quake.

 

-.- Stopping powers doesent make it noob mode, Stopping power helps move the game along and make it more fast phase and stops people from using perks like ghost, so not adding stopping powers is a mistake from my view....

 

Stopping Power was the most unbalanced perk ever. MW2 - Scar+FMJ+Stopping Power = extreme f*ckin weapon, on click(of the LMB) kills. Way to strong. But fun nonetheless. Even I think I am gonna buy MW3 on ps3, since they have not bothered including dedicated servers for the PC and the graphics are gonna be crap, i see no reason to buy it for the PC. Will play it on PSN.

 

You are indeed correct, but the thing is everybody used stopping power so it evened out. It would just mean that everyone kills 1-2 bullets faster... But it was great fun with the scar ; ) even though not many people used it. But the real thing with stopping power is that it took the second tier spot and moved the game along.