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    My 5920g...WITH A HD 4650! (need help)

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by classic77, Jul 14, 2009.

  1. Nuke33

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    Cool, thank you :)
     
    Nuke33, Jul 18, 2009
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  2. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    If we are talking about drivers, you could try DNA's ones :)
     
    triturbo, Jul 18, 2009
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    How did you make those performance charts comparing the 8600M GT and the Mobility HD 4650?
     
    McMaster, Jul 18, 2009
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    Thanks triturbo, didn't know about the DNA drivers. Will definitely give them a shot.
     
    Wolfman7, Jul 18, 2009
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  5. classic77

    classic77 Notebook Evangelist

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    Excel

    ***Update***

    I just hack-sawed away at an old aluminum heatsink for about 30 minutes, and from it took a perfectly sized aluminum fin which is now interfacing between the GPU and heatsink. My temps have fallen from 95C while gaming to less than 82C.

    I don't think I'm even going to bother to get copper anymore.
     
    classic77, Jul 19, 2009
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  6. Nuke33

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    82°C ..nice :) how did u test ? furmark or games ?
     
    Nuke33, Jul 20, 2009
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    My 5520g has sort of kind of bit the dust. Nothing i've done surprisingly, the connector for the power lead has gone :( so its being sent back for a refund. Now what to get instead...
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 20, 2009
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  8. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Why refund?! Is it unrepairable? Anyway, I don't know what, but it would definitely must sport a MXM slot in there :D
     
    triturbo, Jul 20, 2009
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  9. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I got myself a 6930G with 9600M GT.

    I got it as a refurb so they don't offer repairs.

    Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 processor.
    2.0GHz processor speed.
    2MB cache.
    4GB DDR2 RAM.

    16in full HD Acer CineCrystal(tm) widescreen.
    Resolution 1366 x 768 pixels.

    250GB SATA hard drive capacity.

    Multiformat dual layer optical drive.

    nVidia GeForce 9600M GT graphics card.
    1GB graphics memory.

    5 in 1 media card reader - compatible with SD™, MMC, MS, MS PRO, xD.
    3 USB ports.
    1 HDMI port.
    1 Ethernet ports.
    Integrated sound card.

    Integrated 0.3Mp Acer Crystal Eye webcam.
    802.11b/g/n wireless enabled.

    Windows Vista Premium operating system installed.
    Size (H)4.39, (W)38.5, (D)27.75cm.
    Weight 3.4kg.

    With a 1 year warrenty (this one is a refurb too though).
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 20, 2009
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  10. classic77

    classic77 Notebook Evangelist

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    Nice. To bet honest I dont think it will be worth it upgrading to the 4650 if you have a 9600m GT. The perfromance on the DDR2 4650 isn't THAT much better...
     
    classic77, Jul 20, 2009
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  11. Meaker@Sager

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    I think it's the DDR2 9600m GT if it comes with 1GB of GFX ram.

    It's already ordered anyway. I can always sell it to someone on here.

    I can benchmark them all if you like guys.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 20, 2009
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  12. classic77

    classic77 Notebook Evangelist

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    Definately. I'd love a benchmark between the acer DDR2 9600m GT and the acer DDR2 HD 4650!
     
    classic77, Jul 20, 2009
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  13. Meaker@Sager

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    I will be able to compare:

    9600m GT 512mb GDDR3
    9600m GT 1024mb DDR2
    HD4650 1024mb DDR2
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 20, 2009
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  14. classic77

    classic77 Notebook Evangelist

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    Absolutely awsome, you should start a new thread with benchmarks for each.
     
    classic77, Jul 20, 2009
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  15. sgogeta4

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    Should definitely see the HD 4650 DDR2 > 9600M GT GDDR3 (~ 9700M GT DDR2) > 9600M GT DDR2.
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 20, 2009
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  16. classic77

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    I'm not so sure about HD 4650 DDR2 > 9600m GT DDR3...My personal benchmarks don't seem to indicate so...
     
    classic77, Jul 20, 2009
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  17. sgogeta4

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    That's interesting. From previous benchmarks (though the HD 4650 was GDDR3), the HD 4650 was clearly a step ahead of the 9700M GT GDDR3 in mid-high resolutions (which in turn is better than the GT 130M, 9650M GT, and 9600M GT). I didn't realize that the slower clocked DDR2 memory would affect performance that much since typically while there is a performance difference, it isn't more than 10%.
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 20, 2009
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  18. classic77

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    I thought the same, but it seems like a bigger difference with the 4650...only benchmarks will tell for sure.
     
    classic77, Jul 20, 2009
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  19. Nuke33

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    I ordererd a Hd 4650 yesterday.
     
    Nuke33, Jul 21, 2009
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  20. Kallogan

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    DDR2 ? DDR3 ?

    Wrong, my 9600M GT DDR3 scored 5600 pts at 1280*800 with my old poor T5800.
     
    Kallogan, Jul 21, 2009
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  21. classic77

    classic77 Notebook Evangelist

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    Ya, the 9600m GT does out-power the 4650 DDR2, appearently not by much but it does. The DDR3 HD 4650 though can score ~7000...

    Its wierd how much of a difference the DDR3 makes on this card.
     
    classic77, Jul 21, 2009
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  22. MexicanSnake

    MexicanSnake I'm back!

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    I guess the key is overclocking the memory on the HD4650.
     
    MexicanSnake, Jul 21, 2009
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  23. sgogeta4

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    Very true.

    5600 pts compared to what? What is wrong? Which GPU is that better than?
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 21, 2009
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  24. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    ~7000 scores HD4670 DDR3, HD4650 DDR3 scores around 6000~6000+ That's why I'm looking for HD4670, but I guess, I'll end up with the one you are using, which is not bad in any way, It's like 50% better than my current GPU :)
     
    triturbo, Jul 21, 2009
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  25. classic77

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    If you look at my original post in this thread, you'll see that my 4650 benched to 5350ish, although I haven't overclocked the memory too much yet.
     
    classic77, Jul 21, 2009
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  26. Meaker@Sager

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    Mine is still on order and my replacement laptop is on its way.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 22, 2009
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  27. Kallogan

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    That's what i wanted to mean. 5600 points > 5350 at same resolution without OC and with a T5800 that scored 1700 pts. Not a big difference but still. Changing the drivers might help you to score a little more. These two cards are pretty identical i guess.
     
    Kallogan, Jul 22, 2009
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  28. classic77

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    Well, I am using the latest catalyst drivers. Maybe if ATi ever releases some official notebook drivers for the 4000 series, the performance would be better.

    Ya, the inconsistency I was referring to is that everybody seems to think the 4650 DDR2 is a lot more powerful than it actually is.
     
    classic77, Jul 22, 2009
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    ***Update (July 22)***

    I have done a vBIOS mod on my new card to change the fan settings, since ATItool doesn't seem to work as far as modifying fan settings goes. The trigger temp for 100% fan speed was 105C (!) by default. I changed it to 90C. (The temp vs fan speed profile is linear, so reducing the max speed trigger temp increases the fan speed proportionally at all tempuratures).

    Anyway, the vBIOS flash went well using the standard tools. (Radeon BIOS Editor, ATi Winflash)
     
    classic77, Jul 22, 2009
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    There are official mobility drivers for the HD 2, HD 3 and HD 4 series for vista 64bit and windows 7.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 22, 2009
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  31. classic77

    classic77 Notebook Evangelist

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    Unfortunately, I have Vista 32.
     
    classic77, Jul 22, 2009
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  32. Wolfman7

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    Actually Meaker could you point us in the direction of those drivers cuz I couldn't find any on Ati's website. I have Vista 64 and that's what I was looking for but they only seem to support mobility radeon for cards up to x1800. If you know where to find them I'd really appreciate a link. They have them for Windows 7 32 and 64 bit though.
     
    Wolfman7, Jul 22, 2009
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  33. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    You can torrent Vista 64 DVD (clean rip of it) and just use your 32-bit key legally (if you only have Acer's 32-bit restore disk).
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 22, 2009
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  34. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    I thought that once used for a 32-bit OS (for example), the key can't be used on 64-bit one :confused:
     
    triturbo, Jul 22, 2009
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  35. TehSuigi

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    Well, technically, the 32-bit key won't be in use anymore because that install of Vista would be deleted.
    It's tricky business.
    (also, I would avoid directly mentioning a torrent of Vista, which is kinda illegal. Just get it from a friend, ok?)
     
    TehSuigi, Jul 22, 2009
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  36. classic77

    classic77 Notebook Evangelist

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    Will the vista 64 install format and delete my recovery partition?
     
    classic77, Jul 22, 2009
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  37. sgogeta4

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    Hmm, thought it wasn't due to the wording of the copyrights about using Vista via ISO w/o the CD-key, but I guess it still skirts that line... so just get it from MS:

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/1033/ordermedia/default.mspx

    For a small fee, MS will send you a disc.
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 22, 2009
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  38. TehSuigi

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    If anything, it'd leave your hidden partition intact but remove the Acer-customized MBR. Pretty sure there's a utility to fix that.
     
    TehSuigi, Jul 22, 2009
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  39. sgogeta4

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    Use any partition software to remove Acer's hidden partition.
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 22, 2009
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  40. Meaker@Sager

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    www.amd.com

    top right

    (drop down) Graphics
    (drop down) Windows vista 64 bit | or | windows 7 32bit | or | windows 7 64bit
    (drop down) Mobility radeon
    (drop down) Mobility HD 2000 series | or | Mobility HD 3000 series | or | Mobility HD 4000 series.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 22, 2009
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    Meaker, I just checked - the 64-bit Vista still only shows up to the X1800.
     
    TehSuigi, Jul 22, 2009
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    Gah sorry, well windows 7 is worth a shot anyway.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 23, 2009
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    Hey classic77, did you try the DNA drivers?
     
    Wolfman7, Jul 23, 2009
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  44. classic77

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    No. What are they exactly? Modified drivers?
     
    classic77, Jul 23, 2009
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    Guys, i'm afraid they did not send me a 6930g as it listed on ebay...... They sent me a 6935g instead! Bad news is I cant do the DDR2 test and I am worried I might kill it from the drool.... It looks STUNNING.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 23, 2009
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  46. classic77

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    Awsome news. Why cant you do the DDR2 test? It has a DDR3 9600m GT?
     
    classic77, Jul 23, 2009
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    ***Update (July 23)***

    I have successfully undervolted my 4650 to 1V down from 1.1V at high performance. I LOVE the radeon BIOS editor, as you can undervolt only the performance settings and not the boot settings! The advantage to this is that its possible to tamper with voltage settings without having to worry about your card not booting up!

    The undervolt has cut my temps another 7C (with overclock!). This alone is enough reason to stick with radeon as apposed to nVidia, since I was never able to successfully volt-mod my 8600m GT!
     
    classic77, Jul 23, 2009
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    Sorry was thinking of another thread about the main system memory.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 23, 2009
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  49. Kallogan

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    Undervolting gpu is great. I lost about 10 degres on my 9600M GT at 0,89V. And i can still overclock. It's not a radeon only feature.
     
    Kallogan, Jul 23, 2009
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  50. classic77

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    I guess it was just my 8600m GT
     
    classic77, Jul 23, 2009
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