My 5920g...WITH A HD 4650! (need help)

I didn't know about the DNA drivers until triturbo mentioned them earlier in the thread. Yup, they're modified drivers and support the latest mobility cards. At the very least they may save you sometime next time you want to update your drivers. By the way, how long did it take to actually get your 4650 after you ordered it. I'm checking my account every day hoping to see a change in my order status but it still shows "processing" after over a week now.

 

Took 2 weeks

 

And where exacly did you order the 4650?

 

I think it´s a general issue with 8600m GT Cards. Mine does not apply any changes in voltage either. So do many other NBs with 8600m GT.

 

http://www.ipc-computer.de/it-pi-n-Acer_VG_M9606_005_VGA_BD_M96_1GB_DDR2_500MHZ-pId-1881718.html

 

Just follow the instructions posted earlier in this thread on how to order.

 

OK, so I mentioned earlier that I had found some thermal pads with some crazy specs here in Japan which I planned on purchasing for the purposes of my 4650 upgrade when it arrives. The card is still on its way here but I went out to the computer parts store today and found out that I was a little off about the specs I mentioned earlier. They don't go to 30W/mk, they got to 50W/mk. Yup, that's no typo! They have 10, 15, 20, 35, and 50W/mk. Increasing in price as the number increases. Then I looked around in another store and found something I've really never seen before - a liquid metal pad, pretty pricey but it boasts 126W/mk. The problem though is that it's paper thin so I don't think it'll be thick enough to fill the gap between the gpu and heatsink.
Classic77, how much of a gap is there and is it caused by the gpu not lining up right or is something obstructing it from getting close enough to the heatsink?
I also found a nice piece of copper designed for heat dissipation but it's kinda thick at about 2.5 or 3 millimeters in thickness. I guess I won't know for sure until I get the card but any advice you guys would have would be greatly appreciated.
I picked up a 50 W/mk pad but I think it too might not be thick enough at 0.5 millimeters.

 

I'm using 0.9mm thick copper sheet and it fits perfectly. I would suggest you to avoid that liquid metal thing, because once installed, I don't know if there is a way to remove it.

 

hmmm. I wanted to use a micrometer to measure the gap, but I never got around to it....

I would estimate it is very close to 1mm, and it's not caused by obstruction, but by the simple fact that the core is shorter than that of my 8600m GT.

 

Can't find it, did they delete it?

 

Cool, thanks. I was wondering after seeing pictures which showed the gpu being oriented differently from my 8600 so I though that might be responsible for the gap.

 

Undertaxxx, I just clicked the link and it worked fine.

 

It worked for me too.

 

Catalyst 9.7 is out.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/2009/bericht_ati_catalyst_97/ (German Page)

 

Right so I slapped in the 9600M GT and have it at 650/1700/1000. During 3d its staying below 80C which is nice (at stock volts).

3dmark score of 6284:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=11572121

Thats at the full 1280x1024.

My ram is at 800mhz 6-4-4-15 (TRD of 6 down from 14 lol) and voltage down below a volt on the CPU.

I have found a "cheap" T9600 so hopefully the ram will kick up to 1066 (its rated).

 

Wow, that is one slick rig you got there Meaker!

 

Nice score. That proves that 9600m GT DDR3 > HD 4650 DDR2

 

Well this is a good sample of a 9600m GT, not many reach the 1ghz mem mark without trouble so it was always going to be a worse case for the HD 4650. Lets see how it clocks when I get it.

 

Take in mind that DDR3 always overclocks better than DDR2. For example HD3650 DDR2 clocks up to 700~700-and-something, while HD3650 DDR3 goes all the way to 860, maybe even more (I don't have it, although I would try it). If we talk about performance of the GPUs at their stock clocks, I'm still thinking that HD4650 DDR2 has slight advantage (with same CPU, RAM and etc.). Well, we're going to find out when you receive your HD4650

 

The DDR2 3650 will clock up to 7xx mHz? What is it default value? I ask because I have found where I want to be with my 4650 core speed but I think I can push the memory a lot farther. I could actually use recommendations on this as there is VERY little available information as to overclocking speeds for the Mobility 4650.

 

Sorry triturbo but I think this is hard to believe. DDR2 are considered awful for overclocking and 700MHz is way to much for DDR2. Are you sure it wasn't the HD3650 with DDR3 memory?

So far though I haven't seen any oc for the HD4650 DDR2 so we don't know what's the maximum it can do in 3DMark06.
But yeah meaker you have a very nice piece of equipment. 1000MHz is really high, how are the temps, btw?

 

About 78C 3d load and 42C idle (cooler is coupled to CPU).

 

Sorry guys, my bad. It's quite an obvious mistake, but I made it The correct values are 600~600-and-something. Where "and-something" means 625, to be exact clear, and this is after overvolt from the default 1.1v to 1.2v.

 

Sounds risky...

DDR2 is not built for anything passed 500mhz, I believe...

 

I once got the DDR (yes first generation) on a 9800pro up to 450mhz (900).

BTW how did you overvolt the ram on a mobile card? The bios voltages are only for the core.

 

It is, no two words about it. That's why I'm not using it on a daily basis, at least not anymore

Well, it seems to be connected, since I couldn't pass 600, no matter what, at standard voltage. I tried to reduce the engine clock, I tried with stock engine clock - nada. 700e/600m (600e/500m default) is the max I could get out of the 1.1v With edited BIOS and changed voltage to 1.2v I can get 777e/625m and this is the maximum I dared to push it, but since the hot summer kicked in, I leaved the OCing and said hello to UVing

 

I'll play around with that.

750/625 would give it a chance against the 9600m since that would be a 50% core and 25% memory bandwidth increase.

 

You better live in Alaska or something, the voltage increase alone would bring you 5ºC increase under load and the overclocking would push it even further BTW I can give you a screen shot in order to prepare yourself for ATi's PowerPlay, or you can just Google RBE

 

I've been flashing graphics bioses since the radeon 8500

 

*Imagine in Texan accent:

lol

 

Hey I got a beta bios that had silly tight timings (most boards could run at the stock 275mhz with it at most) mine shot to its max at 315mhz so at the time it gave me a nice boost, I was trading blows with the GF 4400.

Bad news for the HD 4650 my 9600m GT is now working at 700/1650/1000.

 

wow...1000 mhz memory...thats crazy...

 

Well the core dislikes 700 so I had to step down to 675.

Yeah the mem on this card went straight to 1000, dislikes anything over that.

 

I thought that you are one of those nVIDIA guys Anyway, as I said, you better live in a cave or something because I can see pretty hot HD4650 around your place Push it hard mate, I want to see how it compares to 9600M GT, when it comes to clocking BTW how many points you are putting right now, what is the increase. Mine, from 3800+ (600/500) to 4688 (777/625), pretty neat for underperforming DDR2 DDR3 goes in the 5000 club, but it jump starts from 4200~4300.

 

Bullsh*ts, I'm sure it crashes all the time when playing on demanding games You're just too cocky

 

this might be interesting to some of you with the 30sec problem:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=349349&page=2

seems like it´s only working on engeneering samples... but who knows

 

A few artifacts in stressful cases.

 

You are absolutely right I transferred 4650 from 6930g to 5920g and there was thermal paste(looking like toothpaste only gray) on it about 1-2 mm. thick and no ned to any mode idle 52 C load 75-80 C; air temperature is 30 C . I could hardly find 64 bit drivers for vista 64 bit today I managed and everything seems fine. I first tried it on 5920g beginning of the may but unfortunately I also tried to put 8600m gt on 6930g and mobo was locked or died so I gave it to service mobo changed 2 months later. At first I was very afraid cause it seemed to be very hot (of course it was cause running 550mhz/500mhz without driver and my 8 cell battery going 3 hours only finished less than 45 minutes while trying to find 64 bit driver.) but after finding out how to load 64bit driver than everything seems to normal even better than my 8600m gt 5 C cooler. İt is even cooler while on 6930g 4650 idle temp was 60 C now 52 C on 5920 g gpu o.c. same degree to 690mhz stabil as on 6930g but ram was 640mhz on 6930g and it o.c. to only 585mhz stabil on 5920g. I am planning to get a 4670 1 gb 900Mhz ddr3 for my 6930g but acer service can't say whether it is mxm II or mxm b they say it is not on the part list of 6930g so it is not possible to upgrade but if it is mxm 2 I think it is possible. So any one can help me whether 8935g using mxm II or mxm b 4670 ?

 

8935G is using 4670 MXM-B

BTW I have put the 8600M GT on my 6930G and it is working great. It does not work though if you have the 3236 BIOS. It is working only with the 3121 BIOS.

 

Actually it's MXM-A, but it's still the new MXM 3.0 standard

 

I tried and tried and found a way at last for vista 64 bit or 32 bit no difference, first of all remove the old driver by catalyst installation or driver sweeper; download the approciate 32 bit or 64 bit Windows 7 driver from amd's site (if you want to see catalyst menu) then install nothing happens then just download the vista driver(not catalyst suite(58mb 9.7) just driver(38mb 9.7). extract it to ati folder. Those who remember the windows 98 or millenium eidition days knows how to install the old fashiond driver installation, just go to system choose vga driver, new driver installation, search my computer, have disk, standart vga driver, have disk, browse c:\ati\support\9-7_vista64_win7_64_dd\Packages\Drivers\Display\W76A_INF\CH_84684(*inf) than chose normal(not mobility there is no such choice) ati radeon 4650 from the list than install, it says no signed driver ignore it say go on than it wait a couple minutes after the installation finished restart. Voila; Catalyst 9.7 installed.(magic) if you don't want to use catalyst menu you don't need to do the first windows 7 installation part. Sorry, I am trying to tell you the path from a Turkish language windows 64 bit some parts may be diffucult to understand..

 

Ermmm what about changing the device ID of a 9600gt with the device ID of a HD3650?:S

I could try that today one of my friends has a MSI laptop with a 9600GT MXMII module... But I dont want to brick the 9600gt :S... But my friend is more crazy than me maybe we will try that lol

Even if I brick the card... I could unbrick the card using a vidock hahahahha (*evil laugh)

 

acer 4650 has 550mhz-500mhzddr2, hp 4650 has 550mhz-667mhz ddr3 but my cousin bought 2 weeks aga samsung r522(Isuppose so) with 4650 default values are 600mhz-800mhz ddr3 and he refused my o.c. offer. I think it should be named 4670, what a shame just a little bit o.c. and 675mhz gpu speed makes it a 4670 officially.

 

I post these things for a reason.
Nn1, check the MXM List above for ideas on what to look for in an upgrade.

 

It's not that hard to get over 7k in 3dmark06 with the 9600m gt. Not to mention it's the most easiest to get card, there's a bunch of them on ebay.

 

I've thought a lot about changing the device ID to bypass BIOS whitelisting because before I decided on the 4650 I was considering getting a 9600m GT (they don't work on the 5920g, probably due to whitelisting).

I don't see why it wouldn't work. Simply flash the vBIOS to another label (shouldn't hurt the card in any way, and you'd need a compatable laptop) and then install. The only ID for the card is in the BIOS. If you change that to something that the computer accepts, you should have no problem. (Assuming that the reason that its not working is due to whitelisting, which your 30sec problem (Mexican Snake) seems to be)

 

So 4670 900mhz ddr3 unfortunately mxm III type A, what can I buy for my 6930g ? can I find samsung ddr3 800mhz 4650 or hp ddr3 667Mhz 4650 or should I buy 9600gtm ddr3? I can sell my 8600m gt fairly good price now some guy wants it for 8600mgs replacement? Help please any hope of 4670 from another company possible?

 

I'm searching quite a lot for HD4650 DDR3/HD4670, and I'm still searching. I'm not so sure, but I think that the HP's one is soldered to the motherboard, an owner of DV7 told me so. He wasn't very sure though, so there is still hope We still have the MSI's HD4670 as an option, but without a part number and a place to buy one, we're done. Sager NP2098 has HD4650 DDR3 too, but I don't know neither is it a MXM, nor what type it is. Still searching, but I'm on the edge. I can barely see support, on every 10 PMs/e-mails I send, I have 1 at best 2 answers It's pretty frustrating you know.

 

Well, you are right, 8935G is using MXM-B type port but the card 4670 is MXM-A if I understood correctly.

 

Thanks I have already last night I haven't sleeped and checked but I want any other ideas or experiences which I can't think. Thank you all of them, especially I appreciate you TehSuigi this is a very usefull list.