My 5920g...WITH A HD 4650! (need help)

@nklive acording to the wittnesses they say 4670 is shorter than mxm b so mxm a . Besides 4670 is the least powerfull card for mxm 3 it is normal to be type a

 

Indeed.

WOW, quite a lot of posts in the last couple of minutes

 

Samsung 4650 bro is the key haven't seen crysis warhead on any notebook better 600mhz-800mhz ddr3 stock values 42C idle 73C max on games. How did they managed such a cooling at that fairly high Mhz 's? Sager also 6250 600Mhz gpu and ram 800Mhz but it was 256mb Ithink I remember

 

But where? And is it MXM at all? HD4670 is a bit higher clocked and MSI EX625 doesn't seems to have problem cooling it

 

I don't know if you have seen this but I found this forum and one member has open their MSI EX625 and they applied thermal compound on the GPU and CPU. There are many photos and benchmarks on default clocks.
That is the best GPU for MXM II I have ever seen so far. 7266 3DMark06 points with a T6400 CPU, 3GB RAM and 1280x768 res. Beat that

The ATI 4670 looks so sweet, right?
MSI EX625 Open GPU and CPU taken out

 

Considering the 4650 is just a 4670 with lower speeds it could be posible that the 4670 would work as an mxm ii card.

 

Thank you for this, it is sweet indeed +rep. Still no part number I guess it's on the back and we have like 5 pictures on the front and none on the back

 

Need a part number too...Best MXM II card so far. 7000 points with a poor cpu and non-Oced. A small OC and my P9600 would score over 8k

 

You see why I'm looking for this bad boy I don't want to be pessimistic, but you know that in 8935G (new MXM-A type) the RAM is clocked at 900MHz, while here it's "only" 800MHz. I hope that I'm wrong but it seems to me to be a bandwidth limitation or something, so I doubt that it would clock well Prove me wrong, I dare ya

 

This MXM II 4670 is like a ghost to me, i won't believe it exits before having a real one in my hand ;-). Also i don't believe in any limitation whatsoever

 

Ya, I'm with this too. Cause if it exists I made a big mistake buying a 4650.

Based on those pics I have to say, that looks like MXM-II size...

 

Ever since MexicanSnake, posted this here, it was my next GPU of choice. It's quite clear that it's MXM and it's Type-II, the only problem will be the BIOS compatibility, but as I said in the linked topic, I'd seen 5920Gs with HP vBIOS HD3650s, so I hope that it wont be a problem.

 

There are so many VBIOS's from so many manufacturers that ONE at least must work. The cards are all basically the same.

 

If only we could modify the Acer vBIOS from the 1GB MXM-A card to be used on the 512MB MXM-II...

 

I don't know if thats possible or not. Is the connector the same in an MXM-A or is there more contacts?

 

MXM-A and MXM-II use totally different connectors, but the GPUs themselves should - in theory - be similar, if not identical.

 

But would the BIOS's be?

 

I wouldn't hold my hope on BIOS modding. I don't know how it works, but I'm sure that there is quite of a difference in there. Think about it - different connectors, different power lines to worry about it. I see the things like this - it would either boot with MSI's vBIOS or it wont, that's it. Sadly I missed my opportunity to try it, I was that close to "force" a friend to buy an MSI EX625 from eBay. While he was wondering, someone bought it, and now there is no EX625 over eBay, neither .com, nor .es, .de, .co.uk (when I'm searching for something, I'm usually checking all of them). Pity, but you know, when you miss something now you don't know what you'll win in near future

 

Ok so here is my latest score:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=11603740

CPU change did nothing for my 3d scores so I can say that it's a good benchmark of the two cards.

Still waiting on mine to arrive.

 

@ Meaker. Your result (at full resolution no less) beats mine by over 2000 points!
I swear, I need to get my mitts on an MXM card upgrade when I get the cash.

 

Maybe you should push it a little, 450 is pretty modest for the RAM

 

Yeah like me only the cpu score increases and the final score of course...That's desappointing.

 

4670 working in Compal FL90

wonder if it's not fake. traduction is approximate.

http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/24711-4670-working-in-compal-fl90

 

+REP

Wonder from where he get it? Count me next volunteer As far as it's under €250 I'm in, otherwise it's a little too much for a mid-ranger and HD5xxx is coming

 

Direct link to Google Translated topic.
I am thoroughly impressed. However, Compals probably have less restrictive BIOSs than Acers, so I'd still hold your breathe.
Regardless, upgrade path FTW.

EDIT: Looks semi-legitimate. In the second picture, you can clearly see his old MXM card propped up against the wall.

 

The story repeats, we saw exactly same pictures (thanks to you ), but from 5920G owner earlier (with 4650, but whatever), so do I believe - Yes, I DO Now, would this guy be kind enough to point me the super-market from which he supplies his parts, specially this one, 'cos it's not available at mine Restricted BIOS or not, I want it. You know that there are actually 5920G owners that know for the 9600M GT compatibility issues, but still buying the GPU in question to try their luck. So, why I should not try this one, and I guess that it would be a market star in case of incompatibility

 

I think I tried - 460 was as high as I could go before artifacting began, and I'm running at slightly less extreme clocks for the time being.
I could stand to see how much further I can go, though. ATiTool awaaaay!

 

LOL, if I count on ATI Tool my overclocking would stop at 545 memory I was playing GTA IV at 700e/600m without any issues, but I'm not crazy enough to play it at 777e/625m

 

Well, I don't want to roast my memory chips and have to spend $200-300 on a new MXM card when I don't have the financial means to. Is it possible to permanently damage your video memory by clocking it up too high?
I'm at 470 mem right now, 5 minutes stable on ATiTool. If I get to 475, I think I'll perch there.

 

Yes it is, that's why I ran mine at 777/625 only twice for test purpose (with couple of months gap). There is always blue screen, but you never know when the black one would follow it I think that 600MHz for 500MHz stock memory is not that bad for a time to time playing (like GTA IV only clocking, stock for the rest), though something like 580 is more recommended.

 

True - I've seen a lot of people around here with 500 MHz OCs for the 9500M GS, and one that did actually toast it at that speed.
Then again, I do run stock any time I'm not gaming or benchmarking - having the Nvidia Control Panel profiles set up that way really helps keep the system stable. (49 mins stable on ATiTool at 625/1425/475 - I might just make the 5K Club on 3DMark06!)

 

Asus X5BVN and Asus N51Vn-A1 came out already with a 240M GT which performs like a 4650 ddr3. Is this gpu might be MXM II compatible or will it stay a dream ;-) ???

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=404764

I don't even know if there was 130M GT which was still MXM II beside...

 

Yeah, I saw the BBQ too Pity, but it happens. Well, 480 would be acceptable in my opinion BTW ATi has build-in clock management in its BIOS, it's called ATi PowerPlay. You can change whatever you want (clocks, voltages) for whatever situation you can think of.

ASUS = forget it Seriously, they do have MXM connector in most of their laptops, but the GPUs are with changed/proprietary design, so good luck fitting one in another notebook

 

Yes, ASUS uses a "flipped MXM" design which is not compatible with regular MXM notebooks.

 

Not only that, it's cut here and there and the mounts are different. Here is a picture that Gophn has posted.

I think that you missed not there

 

...fix'd. Thanks.

 

At least, it looks very similar to MXM II (the connector must be MXM II) so it could be constructed for MXM II type of cards. Maybe Acer or MSI when they'll use 240M, they might make them MXM II, although I think Acer is switching slowly to MXM 3. We will see when we have more laptops with this card.

 

The connector is indeed MXM 2.1 (Type I-III), but the core is on the opposite side of where it's supposed to be. That's why we call it "flipped MXM". As a matter of fact any GPU can be compiled in MXM standard, it's up to the good will of the manufacturer. ASUS in most cases is not your cup of tea.
You said it, I don't want to think that way, but I guess 240M (and all of the new nVIDIA solutions) + HD5xxx would be entirely based on MXM 3.0. I hope that we both are wrong, but 8935G and 5935G already feature MXM 3.0 slot in there I guess, we can count on MSI (though I don't think that they'll stuck with MXM 2.1 forever), but the vBIOS compatibility is still questionable.

Finally I have edited my message. NBR was down like three hours.

 

I don't believe powerplay is available on the 4xxx series cards. It was something they threw in to combat the heat of the 2xxx series, but since the 3xxx series improved on that, they threw it out for the 4xxx.

My 4650 anyway is not compatible with powerplay.

 

Yeah they do include it.

 

http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonhd4600/specs.html

take a look at the bottom of the page. Seems like they included it but it may not include all features on specific models.

 

I think I may have located the problem...

Catalyst control centre must not recognize my 4650 or something, becuase when I try to install it, only the catalyst manager is installed and then it says "finished" without actaully installing catalyst control center.

Does anybody know if ATi powerplay is accessed through CCC? If this is the case then I guess thats why I don't have access to powerplay.

Also, the ATi BIOS editor only gives me 4 options for voltages, will powerplay allow me to use custom ones?

 

I can't even open my CCC, but PowerPlay works fine How I know, while I'm in 2D mode (Desktop), as soon as I set in GPU Tool default 3D mode clocks, the temperature starts to rise. So I guess it's more BIOS related than software (drivers).

0.9v; 1.0v; 1.1v; 1.2v? This is everything I have access to. PowerPlay is more for the clocks, not the voltages (consider the later like a bonus ).

 

Oh. Then I guess I don't even care about powerplay. I was only interested in it for the prospect of more voltage options.

 

I think its something to do with an altered bios.

 

Well, no. I want a little more flexibility too, but this is everything we have to play with. Anyway, I still admire PowerPlay as you can set the exact clocks and voltages for booting or UVD for example and it doesn't require running of an additional software (excluding the moment when you're modding the BIOS ).

 

Just got my 4650 yesterday.

Idle Temps @38c compared to the old 8600m gt's 55c.
Highest Temp recorded is 85c overclocked. Previous 87c

Update: The temp was related to the CPU load temps, makes sense since they share the same cooling system, so I test CPU loading and found out my CPU goes up pretty high up to 89c so the CPU is "bottlenecking" the GPU for cooling? if there is such a term. So after undervolting the CPU I did find the GPU temp lowering also and the highest recorded GPU is now 83c so far.

 

Sewje where and when did you order it?

 

Congrats, Sewje What laptop you've got?

 

Purchased same place mention here, took about 3 weeks.

http://www.ipc-computer.eu/

Mines also a 5920G but with T7300.

I used a cut piece from a desktop heat sink bracket, and sandwiched it with thermal paste. The piece was excactly 1 mm thick. A little thicker might have been better though, but wasn't neccesary.

It does get pretty hot initially in Vista until the drivers are installed.