My 5920g...WITH A HD 4650! (need help)

Guys, any recommended site which sell new HD4650 GPU card? I need one badly to replace my broken 8600M GT and I could not even grab it in the market. I have contacted Acer Service Center and had my hope high to get one from them, unfortunately it a no no.....company policy bah...sigh!!!

Now I have to depend on you guys to get me one I hope so. Thanks!!

 

try http://atecheu.trustpass.alibaba.com there are some ATI HD4650 DDR3

 

No there are not.

 

one dilemma : choosing an ATI HD4650 1GB DDR2 or a 9600M GS 512MB GDDR3 for my acer 8920G
another dilemma : choosing an ATI HD4650 DDR2 or an ATI HD4650 GDDR3 (if I choose ATI)

here is what I think:
it's useless to get a HD4650 GDDR3 because I can't overclock a lot an ATI HD4650 (overheating) from what I understand from this topic
an ATI HD4650 DDR2 is more than enough
What do you think?

Another one:
getting a 9600M GS GDDR3, adding some copper and overclocking it beyond 9700M GT frequencies will get me same benchmark results than a HD4650 DDR2?
Am I right?
(because I don't know about the 9700M GT compatibility with my acer 8920G but I know that the 9600M GS is for sure)

 

Where do you intend to get the HD 4650 DDR3? The DDR2 version only really shines when you OC the memory some.

 

from Asus N81 and then flashing the vbios
from what I understand Asus N81V is mxm 2
Haven't checked other companies yet but I 'm sure It must have some HD4650 DDR3 mxm2 type somewhere

 

I even got a very good but so stupid idea
Buying a 6930G with HD4650 DDR3 inside
swapping the graphic card with my old one and then selling the 6930G
hoping that the shortfall would be the price of one HD4650 minus the price of my old card

 

from asus parts there are
VGA Board AMD M96 R2.0 V1G
seems to be the HD4650 1G
but DDR2 or DDR3?
MXM 2 or MXM 3?

 

Nobody that I know of has ever been able to find an aftermarket DDR3 4650.

 

All i know it's that asus NV81 is sold with 1GB GDDR3
and according ATI HD4650 GDDR3 does exist
http://products.amd.com/en-us/MobilityGPUResult.aspx

Why not make it ourselves by desoldering the DDR2
I found some GDDR3 but it sound quite risky
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Qimonda-HYB18H51...tZVideo_Games_Accessories?hash=item4ce80bb753

 

Asus cards are like mxm but mirrored so useless to any other brand.

 

Why useless
with some copper folded in U-shape (insert the card into the open side of the U)
the copper will touch the GPU from one side and the heatsink from the other
Don't know for the hole but I think it's possible
The only problem I see as I read from this post is that some component could be missing
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=430708
That's a huge problem indeed lol

 

What about my idea of unsoldering ddr2 from HD4650 swapping with some GDDR3,
is it possible?

 

In order to do that I guess that the vbios and some controllers must be modified
I found out some place where to buy Qimonda memory but didn't find DDR3 nor GDDR5
the best in class DDR2 memory from Qimonda seems to be HYB18T512800BF-25F

http://www.futureelectronics.com/en...:20,Ns:P_Price1|101|-1|,Nea:True,N:4294938428
or
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/D...h_go&lang=en&site=us&keywords=qimonda&x=0&y=0

 

Finally found GDDR3, HD 4650 and HD 4670 there
http://www.super-source.com.tw/english/Stock_Search.php

 

I'm gonna destroy everybody with my 10GB GDDR7 brick oups graphic card lol

 

Woah, edit your posts rather than spamming.

The problems are:

1. The bioses are likely different (incompatable).
2. AFAIK the pci express slot is not symetric, simply turning the card around will not work.

 

You will more likely to destroy your card

 

1. bios is just a code so I imagine it can be changed with some tools like phoenix bios editor or atitool (change should rather be right the first time I guess)
There are some asus vbios to look at here
http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/...manufacturer=Asus&model=&interface=&memSize=0

2. not symetric?
If you mean about the holes and the screws, i think the card could be fixed with some sheet metal sticked to the case rather than the screws. I guess the card would be slightly not horizontal and that would be a problem for the heatsink
someone has made it here
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=316079

It start to be a crazy job as much as the guys from the last link who spent just 22 days to find out how to do that.
Maybe I should wait for the next best in class MXM2.1 card release

found out some interesting news about next gen ATI cards here:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1240&postcount=19
and here
http://www.techarena.in/news/9730-directx-11-gpu-notebooks-ati.htm

 

Hello from a new member from Greece.
I repost this from the other similar topic.
I am thinking of changing my 8600m gt (although i have no problems with this card) of my acer aspire 5920g for a radeon hd 4650, after reading all the topics about this.
Except the ''problem'' with the heatsink which can be solved with a piece of copper to fill the gap, i understood that it is a plug n' play proccess, is that true?
(Ok, i will have to download the drivers also, but after that i will expect to play, or there are other things to do?)

I made a little search and i found a store having these cards, but there are many similar cards and codes are a little different.
Which one should do the job?
http://www.ipc-computer.eu/advanced_...radeon+hd+4650


Thank you in advance,
George.

 

I'm suspecting to have better results with a 9600M GS/9600M GT/9700M GT GDDR3 than with a HD 4650 DDR2
If you look at this link
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6860/3dmark06nooc.jpg
from
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=398054
it's quite close of what you can expect after having overclocked a HD 4650 DDR2 due to memory bottleneck. 600Mhz being the overclocking limit for the memory

the 3dmark06 result is 5784 for the P8700/HD 4650 DDR3 with a GPU clocked at 450/600
I guess around 5500 for a P8400/HD 4650 DDR3 with a GPU clocked at 450/600
Acer 5920G:T9500 @ 2.6GHz with Liquid Metal Pad, 4Gb DDR2 Mobility Radeon HD4650 680/625
get 6039 in 3dMark06
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=399430&page=21

If you look at notebookcheck results for the P8400/9700M GT GDDR3
the 3dmark06 result is 5575 for stock clock 575/800
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9700M-GT.9454.0.html

My guess is that you can overclock the hd4650 DDR2 up to 680/620 max so you should get around 6100 (3dmark06)
the 9600M GS/9600M GT/9700M GT GDDR3 can be overclocked safely up to 660/1000 for a 3dmark06 result around 7000
a P9600/9600M GT @610/1525/950@0,89v
get 3D06 (1280*800) : 7030 pts
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=399430&page=16

(your 3dmark06 result could be different depending on your laptop specs but the difference between the two cards will be quite the same)

So If you can get a HD4650/70 DDR3 go for it without any hesitation but for a DDR2 type my advice is that you rather choose a 9600M GS/9600M GT/9700M GT GDDR3

So to sum up

HD 4650 DDR2 advantages:
lower heat at stock clock (except if you find a 55nm type for 9600M GS/9600M GT/9700M GT)
better stock 3dmark06 results
better compatibility


9600M GS/9600M GT/9700M GT GDDR3 advantages:
lower price/better availability
better overclocking results
less modifications
better overall results

 

Thank you for your answer.
I think that 9600M GS/9700M GT GDDR3 are not compatible, after reading this http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=396320
So i think the only way is an MXM-II ati mobility radeon 4650, as a 4670 is difficult to find.
My question is...will this card (4650) be plug and play (knowing that i have to fill the gap between the card and the heatsink with 1mm thick copper or are there other issues?
Like not being recognised by bios or something else?
Sorry if my questions sound stupid, never done anything like this before, i have allready read all the related topics and i want to sum up and buy the card in the next few days.
I think i need the opinion from an owner of an aspire 5920g who has actually done this upgrade.
Thank you again.

 

That 4650 in the first picture has underclocked core (450 vs 550Mhz) but better memory (600mhz vs 500mhz) compared to most.

An extra 30% (600mhz is usually achievable at 1v (1.1v is stock)) will add a nice bit to that score.

If you run a 3dmark vantage test the 4650 wins quite handily.

 

I have an acer 8920G and tried a 9600M GS GDDR3 with acer vbios preloaded which worked just fine in my lappy (plug n play) I can just tell you for this one with 100% certainty
9500M GS/9650M GS have a G84 core when 9600M GS/9600M GT/9700M GT have a G96 core

5920G and 8920G are close from each other (same PM965 chipset)

But I do believe meaker as one of the few to have tried both 9X00M GT and HD4650 DDR2


Intel core 2 extreme X9000 @2.8ghz | Acer 8920g | (2x2) 4 Gigs DDR2 @ 800 5-5-5-15 |
Nvidia 9500M GS 512M DDR2 | Intel SSD X25E 64GB & WD 7200rpm 320GB

 

Maybe you are right...but because i do not have the money, neither the knowledge to make such experiments, i would like to have something that will surely work with not much effort.
And this is the 4650 i think.
With this taken for granted (that the 4650 will be used) what other problems will i face except the known gap of the heatsink which can be solved with a copper sheet?

 

you exposed all the problem I have found myself after reading different post except that the only way you will be 100% sure is to try yourself lol

I imagine you know how to get the card from ipc computer

Meaker, when you tested the 9700M GT with 3dmark vantage, did you have 186WHQL nvidia drivers installed?

 

@g47: The 9600M GT is indeed whitelisted by the 5920G's BIOS, and the 9700M GT won't even fit (it's MXM-III). But people have had some success with the 9600M GS, and since it uses the same core as the 9600M GT and 9700M GT, it can be overclocked to be just as fast. Even better if you can find one with GDDR3 memory.

@eriq007: I take exception to your comment regarding my MXM topic, sir.
And I try to keep abreast of all the user upgrades here on the forum and update the topic with links.
If you've got any that aren't listed there, PM me and I'll add 'em!

 

That's what I thought about 9700M GT being MXM III but what I don't understand is how when you read spec for 9600M GS/9600M GT/9700M GT at notebookcheck website they said
Technically its (9600M GS) a slower clocked GeForce 9600M GT and idem for the 9600M GT compare to the 9700M GT. So what I understand is that the 9600M GS is a slower clocked 9700M GT.
And then if the 9600M GS is working in my lappy it means that the 9700M GT will be too.

As I haven't tested the 9700M GT myself I don't know. All i know is that I can reach the same clock with a 9600M GS GDDR3 than with a 9700M GT

 

True, the core for all three cards (9600M GS, 9600M GT, and 9700M GT) are all the same, and clocked at different levels, but the cards themselves are different due to things like current requirements and video memory (9600Ms are MXM-II, and the 9700M GT is MXM-III).
For example, the 9600M GT's current consumption is 23 W, while the 9700M GT is specced for 45 W. That's almost twice the power, probably to keep the core stable when running at those higher speeds. The other two cards can be overclocked to hit those speeds, but they aren't guaranteed, tested, and specified for them.
And yes, ASUS does have a 9700M GT in MXM-II format, but it's a flipped MXM and incompatible anyway.

 

Ah ok that must be the reason why I wasn't able to find a 9700M GT MXM-II at ebay. Just plenty of 9600Ms MXM-II.
So it means a 9600M GT MXM-II with acer preloaded in my 8920G should work fine too.

I do believe I can overclock the card I get as I start to panic even when temp just reach 75C
At 80C I'm having a stroke lol

 

@ g47

I think you'll be happy with the 4650. The performance levels of the HD 4650 (DDR2) and the 9600 m GT (DDR3) are very comparable. The 9600 was actually the first upgrade I considered, but the whitelisting took care of that idea quickly.

 

Thank you all guys for your answer.
I have made my decision and i will go for the 4650 as i want a true (and as simple as it can get, because as i said my knowledge about upgrades, overclocking, vbioses, bioses are near zero) upgrade for my 8600M gt.
But i have two final questions.
1. Because i would like to sum up this procedure, what other ''problems'' will be there, except the gap of the heatsink (btw i bought this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160379196948, will it fit?)?
For example, will the computer recognise the card, or will it be more complicated and i have to configure or change the bios or something else?
I understood that it will be plug and play after that, but i would like a reassurance.

2. I found here many 4650. http://www.ipc-computer.eu/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=ati+radeon+hd+4650

I know how to get one, i have paypal account, but the codes are a little different.
Which one i choose?

Thank you again guys.

 

Actually this card is only a fabrically o.c. ed 9600 GT not a real 9700 GT as you said all 9700 Gt s are MXM-III. Strongest MXM-2.1 Nvidia (9 series) gc. is 9650 GT (mostly use DDR2 rare to find DDR3) and I prefer 4650 ati with ddr3(or even DDR2 ) over any 9600GT DDR3. Because I am using with 42" LCD and movie experience is better than any Nvidia series. As for Gaming capacity on win 7 64bit sys My 4650 DDR2 is more than enough. I used to o.c. my card on Vista but I don't need on Win7 it is adequate at stock values. My 4650 is capable to o.c. 690/645Mhz(1290-DDR1). 700mhz GPU clock or 650Mhz memory clock causes artifact points on stability tests.

 

@g47 in Turkey there is a guy who is selling an non used Acer 4650DDR2 about 400tl (1 euro=2 tl approximately) on site gittigidiyor.com an ebay partner. I may find link if you are interested.

 

I find this card 200 euros from a trusted site, so it is ok but thanks for the interest!

 

you get better results on a 42" LCD screen with a 4650 because it has 1GB inside rather than being DDR3 or DDR2. On smaller screen as for the 5920G, the speed is more important than the size of the memory. As some guys will say sometimes it's not the size which matter the most lol

 

Up if someone knows/

 

It seems that the price for the 4650 is going down over there. Something must be coming up anytime soon maybe? I've just saved a couple of box waiting

 

Just look where the 4650 DDR2 is here
I guess mobility 4650 1GB DDR2 with an overclocked core to 600Mhz = radeon HD 4650
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

 

I send that company (which sells the card) a mail, to ask what card to buy, but obviously the person that replied me must have been some kind of uneducated administrative worker there, who doesn't know anything about latops except the rules and facts he needs to know to sell their products.

Here's My Mail:
I want to buy a Vga Board- Ati radeon hd 4650 but I do not know which one will fit> in my Acer Aspire 5920G. The list in your website> (http://www.ipc-computer.eu/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=ati+radeon+hd+4650)> only mentions the acer 6 and 8 series. The 2 cards on top only differ by 1> number, the first one ends with .005, the other with .006.> > According to this website: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=396320> the Ati 4650 (and other grafic cards) can be put in my aspire 5920g.> > So I was hoping you could answer my question by telling me which of those 2 fit in> my laptop.> > > > I would also like to know if your company also delivers to Belgium.> > > > Sincerely,
(*my name*)

Here's the reply:

Sehr geehrter Kunde, if we do not offer the board for your notebook you will buy it on your own risk and without any waranty. Acer and also we do not know what people out there are doing.Maybe you shoult ask the people in that forum if they will give you any waranty on that card. We don't.Yes we send also to Belgium Mit freundlichen Grüßen kind regards i.A. Thomas Zepf

So basicly I still don't know which card to buy and won't risk throwing away 200 euros because there won't be any waranty. Anyway, intel is going to launch its own grafix cards next year, so lets hope prices will collapse then

Btw, does anybody know if the aspire 5920g can use 800 mhz ram memory? And I mean really use it and not just only use 667 mhz of it. It seems important to me because I really intend to play games like Assassins creed 2 if I can install that Ati card, it would be disapointing if the ram wouldn't be sufficient enough to run it smoothly (Ye i could play assassins creed 1 with a 2 ghz core2duo, the box says you need 2.2, but when you install the game the hardware-scan says its fine, all you need to do is to boot it with direct x9 instead of direct x10 unless you want to get the 'white screen of death' after the intro movie).

 

I recieved a similar answer to a similar mail.
They seem to be afraid more than they want to sell.

 

What did you expect?
For acer guys and partner you're not even supposed to change your graphic card yourself
The seller replied exactly the way I tought

 

You allready read what we expected.
To know more things about the products he is selling and be more willing to help.

 

I'm explaining to you what have been for ages. The war between sellers and buyers.
The game theory.
There are 2 groups. buyer group and seller group.
People from the first group try to spend less for their products.
The second group try to make people from the first group spend more for their purchases.
You're just giving information to the seller group about the way people from the buyer group are doing their thing. What do you think is going to happen?

 

There is no need to explain anything, it is very clear what happens.
Personally, i asked for some info about the card and ONLY the card, and the same person responded that he needs the s/n of my laptop or he can not answer.
Something that had nothing to do with the laptop but the card itsself.
The impression the company makes after this respond is far from good.
So its not about analyzing anything about groups etc, it is just a matter of being sharp.

 

Maybe but there are still selling the card. So one simple question.
Can you get the card anywhere else?

 

You dont seem to understand the hole point of these posts.
The discussion is not about selling things but how they do it and if they are able to communicate in a very standard way with the client.
Without pissing him off.
Obviously they do not know how to support what they are selling.
I have not found the card somewhere else, but be sure that i will search again.

 

They sell their product with warranty only to people having a 6930 laptop and you wondering why they get upset when they realized that some people who don't have a 6930 are asking for a warranty for these card too.
zandparts maybe

 

Hi

I already bought a HD4650 for my 5920G, I'm going to install it at christmas.
Because I'm a student and so I need my laptop nearly every day in the week and so I have enough time in the christmas holydays.
I bought the VG.M9606.005 for 167€ at http://www.acer-ersatzteile.de/product_info.php?cPath=10_1006_140957&products_id=140957458940 but now they rised the price at 195€.
I'm also going to make a tutorial installing the card, but I think only in German (maybe also in English) so I can upload it as soon as I finished it.

 

@ Student@Antwerp2009
Newbie

You should buy the one with ending 005 the other may be mxm-A and not compattible. I bought 2X2gb ocz ddr2 800mhz kit for my 5920g 2 years ago it worked as 667Mhz but cas 4 instead of cas 5. I bought 6930g this year and I tried 4650 on 5920g (must be before than any one else) I saw it worked but I could not find 64 bit vista drivers that time to prove it. 6930g with t6600, 4 gb 667 Mhz ddr 2 kit(I knew before buying it my intention was to put 800Mhz ocz 's on 6930g and 667Mhz nanya 's on 5920g) 500gb hdd model. Well 667 Mhz or 800Mhz in fact does not make much difference. But you can still prefer ocz 800mhz kit because of the low latency(it will work 667Mhz on 5920g) 7200 rpm hdd makes more difference belive me.