My 5920g...WITH A HD 4650! (need help)

I did not talk anywhere in my posts for the warranty, and of course it is not valid when you put it in a laptop that it should not be.
I am talking about the whole behaviour.
Last post for me as you dont want to undestand.

 

@ g47: What language do you prefer? German or English?
I would prefer to write the tutorial in German because it's my native language.

But it will take some time, because I'm going to install the graphics card at the 24th or 25th.

 

I understand what you mean and I do agree with you, a seller should never act badly with a client.
But I'm explaining you that he has some reasons too.

Let's see with a stronger example.

Some clients buy a go kart with a 15 days warranty from a company. A few days later, this company learn that their clients used their go kart to drive on a highway which is against the warranty policy. I should expect the seller to be upset by that. And then increase requirement for next buyers. Same thing for the card.

Let's change subject
How is your day today?
Is the sun shining lol?

 

Erig, yes he has some reasons too, of course, he has to make clear somethings.
In a way both sides have right.

Gridracer, English is preffered to me, but i have a degree in German so it is allright.
But if you want to make something that will be widely used, English is the only way i am afraid.

 

Maybe the price rose because of the holiday period. I remember I bought additional ram for my laptop, it was 2 gig of ddr 667 mhz for 42.5 euros at replacedirect.com, now it costs 65 euros for exactly the same ram memory. I was really surprised that this old technology could stil rise in price.
Another explanation might be the overal higher demand. Perhaps the ram is more expensive because of the windows 7 release which made people want to upgrade their laptop. Although w7 its actually less demanding than vista, companies start selling more and more laptops with 64 bit versions of windows, so its obivous people upgrade their ram to maximise their laptop's capability.

About the Ati hd 4650, eventhough it's a pretty old card, all laptop brands start using them more and more in their mainstream notebooks (dell and sony don't have better cards than the ati 4 series). The company I send a letter to is a supplier of spare parts. The more laptops are sold with the ati hd4650, the greater the demand for the spare parts of that grafic card must be.

As I said earlier, I think it's best to keep your money till this holiday period passes and wait for intel to bring out its own grafic cards. Also, a price study about laptops said the badest period to buy a laptop is februari, while the best periods are April and august-september. In april most new technologies come out and the old ones become cheap. In August-September everyone is giving discounts to attract as many students as possible which all need a shiny new laptop for the new schoolyear.

I also have another general question, since someone who replied to me said that a7200 rpm hard drive makes a bigger difference than upgrading your ram from 667 to 800 (which won't work on the 5920g if I understood correctly). Is it possible to put a 7200rpm hard drive in the asprie 5920g? On the site I mentioned earlier: replacedirect.com I only get the choice of 5400 rpm hard drives when I select my laptop model. So eventhough the 7200 rpm hard drives are also 2.5" now, I have doubts wether it will work with my motherboard. I've wanted a new hard drive since ages, when I bought this laptop it said I have 160gb, while in fact I have like 2 hard drives which have about 65 free gigs after installing Vista on my C drive. With all those new games that take up 10 gb easily, I really need a bigger , and if possible a faster hard drive.
Someone else (can't remember where) said in this forum he had a 7200rpm hard drive (also 2.5 ") but that it didn't work on his 5920g, I'm not sure if he did something wrong or that it's just a fact that it won't fit.

Aside from this question, can anyone give me a good site how to change your hard drive? I have no Idea how to do it, and on youtube you can only find examples of Dell hard drive replacements, which basicly just click out.

I hope I didn't go to far away from the original thread, it's just that I think it's important to know the other upgrade abilities too, to maximise the effect of your Ati card upgrade.

 

I'd say, make it in your maternal language to avoid errors and to give it to us faster. There are plenty of people who can translate it later. Besides, we can always just copy your text, paste it in the free babelfish translater and figure it out. Just make sure you make enough photographs

 

WHAT? Intel doesn't make graphics cards (decent ones anyway).

 

The last article I read was about Intel making new graphic cards (also high end cards for gaming) in 2010. But as a habit, I always try to give a link so you could check everything I say. I just browsed trough the internet and came to this website which says the cards are being delayed.

http://gizmodo.com/5419399/intels-high+end-larrabee-graphics-card-wont-be-released-anytime-soon

Another intrestign article is found here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-nvidia-larrabee,5292.html

 

I ordered the card today and i will wait for the guide.
Hope everything goes fine.

 

Good luck, I'll folow your lead once the card will cost about a 100€

 

You will wait for a long time.

 

I think i will finish the guide in about 2 weeks.

 

interesting benchmark here
http://optimitza.cat/benchmarks/laptops
it shows that the 4650 DDR3 is DX10 optimized when compared to the 9600M GT
when assuming that an overclocked 4650 DDR2 scores just a few behind a 4650 DDR3

That must be the reason why the 4650 DDR2 steal roughly 1000 points from the 9600M GT DDR2 in 3dmark vantage benchmark but is as fast in 3dmark06

In optimitza web site the overclocked 9600M GT is as fast as the 4650 DDR3 (roughly overclocked 4650 DDR2) in DX9 but stay far behind in DX10

 

I'm not much of a grafic card expert but I'm beginning to dislike nvidia. My card, the 8600m gt was the first direct x10 card for laptops. Yet, I can't play assassins creed on it, unless I boot it with direct x9. I definitly will go with ati the next time, atleast those cards do what they are supossed to do, for far less money and they don't collapse due to overheating like the entire nvidia 8 series. I always thought nvidia was best but there you have it.

I also always thought my acer was junk, 2 years later it stil works and appears to be upgradable. A gift from heaven

 

There's already a guide here in english http://www.theacerguy.com/2008/12/morris-aspire-5920-gpu-swapupgrade/ although its for a different card, it helped me to find out where to the card was positioned. it's flipped upside down so I couldn't find it while searching for the nvidia logo x D
I think if you look at the pics, you have learned enough to do it yourself.

 

I always say in pratic game 4650 ddr3> 4650 ddr2 >=all kind of 9600mgt gs vs.

 

@ Student@Antwerp2009 I have one 5920g and one 6930g, I first had 250gb 5400rpm on 5920g I bought 200 gb 7200 rpm seagate momentus 7200.1 and an empty 2.5" usb 2.0 sata box for 250gb. Than I traded 200gb 7200rpm with 320gb 7200rpm wd bekt scorpia well it is better than seagate 7200.1 but seagate 320gb 7200.2 's are better than my 320gb wd bekt. My cousin has one. But new seagaete momentus 500gb 7200.3 sould be best(or hitachi 500gb I am not sure) Everything works faster with better hdd. But for ram if it is 667 Mhz or 800Mhz(it is possible on 6930g not 5920g) does not make much difference. Well you can also buy T9300 or T9500 for Assasin's Creed. u can buy First gc. 2nd hdd 3rd ram (ocz 800Mhz for cas4 667Mhz) 4th cpu.

 

Is it possible for me to put in a better cpu in my acer? i doubt I can just unscrew it like the ati card...or can I?
I also didnt understand this part: "3rd ram (ocz 800Mhz for cas4 667Mhz)"
ocz =? cas4 = ?

 

Just installed my HD4650 and everything is working properly.
Max Temperature under Load (Furmark) => 93°C
So I'm also going to undervolt. But in about 1 week.

greetz GridRacer

 

Hey man if your planning to get assassins creed 2 for the pc, could u tell me if it runs with that 2 ghz processor in your acer?
Btw, 93 celcius is really high, what paste did you use?

 

Yeah, I can tell you, but it will release in February.
I have a Intel Core 2 Duo with 2,5GHz, so I think for me it should work.

I used Arcitc Silver 5.
So the temps are under load with Furmark, which really demand the graphics card. And I think that during playing it won't get so high.
I thing that after the undervolting it wouldn't get so high.

Does anybody knows how much is the maximum temperature for the memory on the HD4650?

Edited:
I also have a question. What does "Use SCLK to flash BIOS on RV730 only (SCLK will be scaled down while flashing the BIOS)" mean?
I have no idea and my graphics card has the RV730 chip, so it is good to know.

 

Wel since you have 2.5 ghz i'm sure it will work, I need to find someone with 2ghz so I'll know it will work on my laptop aswell. Or do you perhaphs have a guide to change the cpu in the aspire 5920g?

 

Did you use a spacer of copper to fill the gap between the heatsink and the processor?
If you do, the temp. will go down, i suspect you didnt.
Was it a plug and play procedure?
Get the nvidia out, plug the ati in and it was working?

 

He said he used arctic silver 5 thermal paste, if you use a blop and press the gpu in its place it should be sufficiently.
About the plug and play procedure, you need to download the drivers for your ati, this link should direct you to those dirvers: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=387412

 

I didnt ask about arctic silver, only for the spacer.
No, it is not sufficient, no matter how hard you press it, the gap remains.

 

Oh I thought that if you used paste, it should cover the space between the gpu and the heatsink. The guy in his guide only used paste (eventhough its about another gpu swap than the ati, its still about this acer).
Check the link: http://www.theacerguy.com/2008/12/morris-aspire-5920-gpu-swapupgrade/

So, what do you think?

 

The replacement card is not an Ati.
The ati one has a smaller core.
So the guide is irrelevant to what we are talking about.

Anyway, i would like to hear from GridRacer what did he do, if he filled the gap and what drivers he used.

 

Yes I used a 0,8 copper sheet cut to the size of 18mmx18mm.
But maybe I used too much thermal paste. I'm going to renew it. But I don't know when.
So does anybody know what's the meaning with: "Use SCLK to flash BIOS on RV730 only (SCLK will be scaled down while flashing the BIOS)"?
Because it is mentioned in the ATIFlash 3.60 revision history. http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1123/ATIFlash_3.60.html

Greetz GridRacer

 

Actually i dont.
What is best is to flash clasic77's bios to your card which is correctly undervolted and has the fan speed corrected.

 

Do you need to use thermal paste on both sides of the copper sheet that you apply? also, where did you buy that copper sheet.

 

I found the copper sheet at home. ^^
Yes, I used thermal paste on both sides of the copper sheet.

 

Can you please tell me what drivers did you use?

 

At first I tried the two ATI drivers for the 6930G, but they didn't work (no idea why). Then I tried the 9.9 beta driver from ATI. But with this driver I wasn't able to watch blu-rays. So I searched the internet, but I didn't find one, which was working.
In the end I modded the Desktop Driver 9.12 with this tool: http://www.driverheaven.net/modtool.php.

Greetz GridRacer

 

Ok can anybody tell me where to get a copper sheat? lol...I don't wana drive al the way to Salzburg (thats like 1000 kmers) and steal gridracers' sheat.

 

LOL ^^
But Salzburg is a very beautiful city. xD

Edit:
Concerning the temperature I think I found the problem: The copper sheet was a little bit bent, so at some places the thermal past was more than on the others. I just corrected it and hope for better temperatures.
Update follows.

Edit:
With Furmark the Temperature gets up to 92°C max. So I think while gaming it wouldn't get as high as in Furmark.
But I'm still inclined to do a bios flash.

Greetz GridRacer

 

I've been in Austria before, in that town with that green dragon called Kali (Ramsau was the name of that village). So I know its pretty there ^^

I'm affraid your gpu will be a lot hotter in the summer (mine is about 75 celcius now, about 94 in the summer), so I hope you live high in the cold mountains

Question: You say your gpu was hot because the bend copper thing, does this mean that to much thermal paste doesn't conduct the heat properly?

 

Yes, too much thermal paste is as bad as too less. So maybe I still have a little bit too much thermal paste used.
But I don't think that the temperature depends on which season is actually. Because the suroundings temp. doesn't really effect the temp. of the gpu.
So try to find out the maximum temperature your actually gpu goes up. You can use Furmark for that and run it at least for 15 min. After that you should know your max. temperature. My old nVidia GeForce 9500M GS (nearly the same as 8600M GT, but little better) got up to about 100°C and more. But it was still working these days. ^^

Greetz GridRacer

 

Wel with my lapop it defintly depends, in the summer (my room was like 5-10 celcius warmer than downstairs) I could practicly burn my hand when touching the upper left corner so i placed an ice block there to prevent it from burning. Now, all I need is this laptop cooler to prevent the gpu from shutting down. After this summer my max temperature totaly declined. It used to play around 92-94 celcius. Now the gpu shuts down when it gets above 80 celcius. So much for the great 8 series...

 

Wow ... already at 80 °C ...
My 9500M GS got up to 110°C (no joke) with overclocking and it didn't shut down or reduced the clocks.
But it was still running.

 

My 4650 tops out in furmark at about 88C (with my fanmod and undervolt via vBIOS). This is normal for the 5920g, its cooling is mediocre.

The TJmax (maximum recommended tempurature) for the 4650 mobility is 105C. As long as your under that, you're OK.

Yes, both sides.

 

ok so could anybody post a link here with a shop or something to get a copper sheat?

 

Copper: this one: http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=15244&step=4&showunits=inches&id=966&top_cat=87 or that one: http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=1911&step=4&showunits=inches&id=1118&top_cat=87.
This would be the perfect thickness (0,8mm / 0,032 inch).
But I didn't check if they also send to Belgium.

 

Is it the 12 times 12 inch? btw, 50 dollars for a small piece of metal is totaly not worth it.

 

No, you can order a custom size (look down the site).

 

You can chose the width and length, don't see anything about the thickness. Don't know how to calculate in inches either. Thx for the link anyway, might be usefull for others, I think i'll just buy one of the new asus models that will come out in the beginning of 2010 with the 360m gts. Al those parts I need, and all the different countries I need to buy them from, and pay all those shipment fees, it's getting to expensive and complicated.

 

Maybe you can also search some metalworking shop for some copper, or DIY shops (like Baumarkt in Austria, don't know how they are called in Belgium).

About the thickness: http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=1118&step=2&top_cat=87.
1inch = 2,54 cm

 

And how much cm/ inch do I need? I can emasure the length and width myself, but have no idea about the thickness.
I think il go to a random metalshop like you suggested. Those new asus models will probably still have bad cooling anyway, which will definitly cause overheating and frameratedrops in the summer.

 

The perfect thickness is about 0,6mm - 0,8mm (0,0236inch -0,0314inch). Just divide the [cm]/[2,54].

 

Wow that thin, I think il just try a blop of paste and see how high the temperature will be. I know this electricity guy who probably has way better stuff than AS5