New Nvidia RTX 2080 and 2080 TI OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED + Preorder

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/

Offically announced as of about 1 HR ago 8/20/2018.

RTX = Nvidia Ray-tracing for improved real time lighting rendering

AI Pixel Prediction for improved ultra resolution load. (No clue how much this will actually affect performance, but could big huge or a flop.)

More CUDA cores. GDDR6 memory.

Dedicated tensor and RT (ray-tracing) cores for accelerated real time ray tracing.

12nm manufacturing process, improves efficiency and performance for the power usage.

New cooling system should be quieter.

GeForce RTX 2080 Ti:

• CUDA cores: 4,352
• Clock speed: 1350MHz base, 1545MHz boost, 1635MHz boost (OC Founder’s Edition)
• Memory capacity: 11GB GDDR6
• Memory path: 352 bits
• Memory bandwidth: 616GBps
• Ports: VirtualLink/USB-C, DisplayPort 1.4, HDMI 2.0b
• Power: 2 x 8-pin, 250W TDP stock, 265W TDP OC Founders Edition
• Release date: September 20, 2018
• Price: $999 stock, $1,199 Founders Edition

GeForce RTX 2080:

• CUDA cores: 2,944
• Clock speed: 1515MHz base, 1710MHz boost, 1800MHz OC Founders Edition
• Memory capacity: 8GB GDDR6
• Memory path: 256 bits
• Memory bandwidth: 448GBps
• Ports: VirtualLink/USB-C, DisplayPort 1.4, HDMI 2.0b
• Power: One 6-pin, one 8-pin
• Release date: September 20, 2018
• Price: $699 stock, $799 OC Founders Edition

GeForce RTX 2070:

• CUDA cores: 2,944
• Clock speed: 1,410MHz base, 1,620MHz boost, 1,710MHz OC Founders Edition
• Memory capacity: 8GB GDDR6
• Memory path: 256 bits
• Memory bandwidth: 448GBps
• Ports: VirtualLink/USB-C, DisplayPort 1.4, HDMI 2.0b
• Power: One 8-pin, 175W stock, 185W OC Founders Edition
• Release date: Unknown
• Price: $499 stock, $599 Founders Edition

Here's some articles:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/329...-ti-2070-raytracing-specs-features-price.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-2070-price-specs-release,37647.html

I personally pre-ordered both RTX 2080 and 2080 TI Founders to do some tests on them. I personally wouldn't recommend pre-ordering unless you pre-order from somewhere you can easily return it to.

Thoughts everyone? When do you think they will get into laptops? I'm thinking November-January timeline? And I think there's too much power through put on these cards for laptop chassis, so it looks Nvidia is going down the track of mobile laptop GPU's once again? I'm really curious what you guys think about this new info!!

I also made a quick video about it. I might have been a little over excited about the new GPUs in the video, but I didn't realize it until after the video went live. Trying to temper my excitement now lol.

 

I am curious if Nvidia will continue their partnership with Samsung for smaller chips (for this gen, the 1050ti and below were made on 14nm Samsung).

I also wonder how much of that power figure is given to the USB-C/VirtualLink port. That port has to be capable of driving a VR headset.

Either way, I have no interest in cards that largely rely on exhausting hot air into the case, so for the first time in ~12 years, I am curious what the AIB vendors will have. Though whatever I look at will likely be in the "2060" range, whatever it may be.

 

Are there any rumors when to expect Turing GPUs in laptops?

Looks like to buy now a gaming laptop now is nonsense

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3-4 months after desktop

 

once again I was right. 50 percent bump...

2060 or 2070 laptop version is what im set on.....going to have to be patient

 

live

 

I'd like to see some benchmarks of these cards before I am sold on how well they will perform in non-rtx workloads vs the 10 series cards.

 

ok I take it back boys.....we are looking at a quantum leap here....omg 45 trillion rtx/s this is insane

 

watch the video....guys telling you how many times not a percentage better it is

 

quadro 8000....many many times faster than titan x...the biggest generational leap in video gaming history.......we are talking photorealism boys.....im watching the unveil video and this is insane....im so excited I don't even know what to type....so i'll stop typing

 

78 trillion ops...september 20th

 

Where is the 50% increase coming from? Looking at the 1080 specs vs the new 2080 it's no where close to 50% increase.

 

nemoris, you obviously did not see the hype video.

I was actually wrong it wont be 50 percent, it will be much much more.

My source is directly from nvidia, and via that video I linked......if you don't think it's a big deal then I'm sure sprites to polygons was not a big deal to you aswell.....now I know nvidia always hypes their lineup, but we are talking the biggest leap in gaming history, and I stand by that.

NVIDIA is my source

 

I'm also reserving judgment for the benchmarks. The claimed multiple-times performance increase over the GTX 10 series is a little vague for me, but I have zero doubt it'll be faster.

Either way - finally after over two years we have a new GPU from Nvidia.

Charles

 

More info here:

Nvidia Thread
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-48#post-10783650

 

Lol why are you live posting multiple posts for something we all already watched?

 

Thanks for the analysis Jensen

I'll wait for benchmarks. Raw TFLOPS have only increased marginally, so outside RTX workloads I'd be surprised if the uplift was actually that big. My guess:
RTX 2070 = GTX 1080
RTX 2080 = GTX 1080Ti
RTX 2080Ti = 25% higher than 2080/1080Ti

 

LOL.... i'm so sorry about yesterday guys, I was so excited I kept live posting...can't blame a guy when someone from nvidia says something like it will be 20 times more powerful than last generation....and yes the benchmarks are not out yet so I also will reserve judgement when they arrive.....I doubt it will be as big of a claim as nvidia has stated in the press conf..

50 percent increase does seem likely though, nothing backing up that statement but why not..


chareles is right it doesnt matter how much it will be an increase nevertheless

 

Great, right when I'm planning to buy a high-end gaming laptop, the next gen graphics processor is announced. I was afraid this would happen. Now if I pay top-dollar for a GTX 1080 laptop I'll feel like a schmuck, and if I wait for the RTX 2080 who knows how long it'll be and I'll have to go even longer without gaming. Normally I'd have no problem waiting (I've had the same laptop for 10 years) but my gaming desktop is packed away in storage for the next six months and I'm going a little stir crazy here.

@g85222456 Do you have any estimates when these cards might be available in an Aorus?

 

Good article
Nvidia RTX 20 Series: Why You Should Jump Off The Hype Train

 

"Before you pull the trigger on pre-ordering the RTX 2080 Ti or RTX 2080, though, please listen to some advice: don't. Don't pay inflated prices for marginal performance gains over the 10 Series. In fact, don't buy this new generation of GPUs from Nvidia at all, because there's something better coming."

So true...

 

I personally wouldn't recommend pre-ordering these cards unless you pre-order from somewhere you can easily return it to. It's so hard to know the performance of these cards until actual benchmarks are done.

I also made a quick video about these new cards. I might have been a little over excited about the new GPUs in the video, but I didn't realize it until after the video went live. Trying to temper my excitement now lol.

 

This article is relying on a lot of assumptions... We don't really know if AMD will have a high end response, the door is sort of open, but they haven't responded to high end since Fury which has been longer than normal.

Waiting until next year is also like hilarious computer advice... "Next year will be better just wait" - Said every year since computers have been around. When you're looking to buy you're looking to buy. Price drops on 1080 Tis could be compelling in a couple months.

We also don't know for sure the performance numbers in regular games. Though I agree that since they didn't talk about that literally at all that it's probably not going to be good.

 

If you need a GPU right now - you don't already have a current generation GPU - I think the better advice is to buy the GTX Pascal or AMD GPU's already available, saving a bunch of money - maybe even getting used cards to save even more - and wait out the RTX media splash and see how serious everyone is on the long term support.

No sense paying day 1 pricing on a new technology that isn't widespread - no shipping games - instead get the better price performance AMD or Nvidia GPU's already available.

Nvidia gave no performance numbers for non-RTX gaming performance compared to the current generation GPU's, so there's no justification for pre-ordering based on better performance than what is available with current generation GPU's, that are selling for a lot less money.
Thanks to @Ifrin for the image (links?)

If you already have a current Nvidia / AMD GPU, I'd definitely wait for RTX features to justify themselves.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-50#post-10784109

Edit: I hope there is a way to completely disable / power off the Tensor Core and RT Core's when they aren't useful... that would be most of the time.

 

well 2060>1080 proof below



theres your 50 percent boost was right and stand corrected

 

edit.....wrong video

 

I'll prefer to wait until we see some detailed reviews of shipping cards vs 10 series on existing games. There's literally zero reason to pre-order these.

 

Only if the older cards get cheaper, I will be glad that the 20xx is here otherwise pass lol.

 

Hey, that's Todd's line!

 

Nvidia has come out with some benchmarks. Not many details around the testing methodology, but you can safely assume their benchmarks show the maximum possible performance delta between GTX 10 and the RTX 20 series.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-2080-gaming-benchmarks-rasterized,37679.html

Charles

 

Every single video I have watched on YouTube is flooded with comments about how “bad” the performance of the 20-series is. And endless comments on how it’s not worth the cost, etc. Ironically, the performance is actually pretty good over the 10-series. People just do not understand the new technology and its impact on performance. I’ve been trying to explain the performance impact by comparing Ray-Tracing to Hairworks (to dumb things down a bit).

 

Charles thanks for sharing that with us. I am pretty sure I told NBR it would see a 50 percent bump and everyone here made me look like a fool.

 

We will see the IPC improvements and such. I expect considerable improvements from Volta considering the design of GV100.

 

http://www.codercorner.com/blog/?p=2013

Really good read on why ray tracing is important and a a fairly large step forward in video games. Most of the negativity online seems to be from people that just recently got into PC gaming and don’t remember or weren’t around when you upgraded your video card to support new features demanded by a new game.

The prices are pretty high but a RTX 2080 can be had for $749 on Newegg and that is less than a lot of 1080 Ti cards.

 

What is Nvidia's track record with their claims vs reality? Not being sarcastic by the way, actually curious.

I'm most interested in how much of a downgrade the mobile versions will be due to the much higher TDP. Are we going back to "m"? Well I guess "Max-Q" is sort of the new "m"....

 

The 20 series cards aren't going anywhere, and as well we're going to be waiting till Q1 2019 before we see MXM cards. I still see no reason to jump at these unless you just have to have a new card to play with. Just going to wait until September/October to see thorough analysis of what the performance and power efficiency looks like for non-RTX gaming workloads vs the 10 series.

I was planning on getting an ultrabook and an eGPU with a 1080 or 1080ti, but I'll probably just wait until I can see how these new cards are performing first.

 

I just don't get it.

3D TVs added another dimension yet you (the masses) said it was a gimmick.
RTX brings the epitome of realism (photorealism) and yet again it's a gimmick to the masses.

I guess we are de-evolving as a society, bring back mario bros then.


edit. heck bring back horses and carts, re-invent the wheel. I really don't care at this point.

on a happier side, 50 percent boost non-rtx over 1080ti and 1080 respectively

 

1) The Volta SM is not the same as the Turing SM

2) IIRC, the Titan V was only 5 - 10 % faster than the 1080ti in games when the framerates were normalized for the differences in clock speed and CUDA core count. It was significantly better in DX12 games though.

3) If you're planning on using an eGPU wait for Thunderbolt 4 (4 lanes of PCIe 4) in order to overcome the bandwidth bottleneck of TB3. It should be in consumer laptops by 2021.

 

Tomshardware's new Editor in Chief made a fool of himself with this article:

Just Buy It: Why Nvidia RTX GPUs Are Worth the Money
by Avram Piltch August 24, 2018 at 9:21 AM
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-gpus-worth-the-money,37689.html

"When your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing?" - Avram Piltch

Comments

LOMAXROBERT 1 day ago
"i dont think i have ever read a more poorly thought out reason to buy a new component with no data to back it up, "its just a dont think buy it now approach". myself im getting a bit tired of the power creep from nvidia bleeding gamers dry"

Gamers Nexus has a great response to that article:

Response to Tom's Hardware's Insane "Just Buy It" Post [RTX 2080]
Gamers Nexus
Published on Aug 24, 2018
Tom's Hardware published an article of herculean stupidity that pertained to the idea of pre-ordering based on nothing more than promises.


Also discussed here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-60#post-10786039

AdoredTV has a good breakdown of the wiley nvidia marketing folks marketing slides, quoted as that Chart above by Tom's Hardware:

Nvidia Turing Marketing Survival Guide
AdoredTV
Published on Aug 24, 2018
Analyzing Nvidia's Turing Marketing Slides.

 

2080 TI actually looks to be pretty good. Not really ready for 8k but oh well. I think you guys complains too much...

 

not everything is a conspiracy

 

"When truth fails, business can turn to a conspiracy of lies and deceptions to produce profit." - Captain Obvious

What conspiracy do you imagine other than that?

Update: "business" can be substituted with "politics", "religion", or any "organized" man made power structure that failing the convenience of truth relies on lies and deception to maintain power.

 

If you are going to "go for it" with RTX features, the 2080ti is really the only viable choice, as even with that top model 2080ti the RTX is limited to 1080p display - idk what they actually are rendering at, probably less than 1080p and upscaling to 1080p using Tensor cores - so choosing the RTX 2070 and RTX 2080 might lock you out of usable performance in games that implement RTX features.

 

failing? lies? deception?

what about adaptation, morals and values. which most facets have....aka return policies



edit i don't want to fight, but I will quote you on this when its 50 percent faster

 

I don't care about you being "right", no one else cares about you being "right", and you shouldn't either.

You are guessing, you know nothing more than anyone else, so there is nothing to "Win" here by your gamble.

Instead be informative, helpful, contribute useful information and thoughts - at least your posts will be more fun to read.

 

fair enough, i'll work on it


i'll end it with I know what everyone else knows.....its roughly 50 percent faster, and I say this because nvidia announced it....performance bits and all and the leaked 2060 benchmarks I stumbled across.

kinda rude to call that gambling. was based off my source/ that I shared/that is that

I wonder why it even matters in the end, so i'll close with i'm sorry and I will work on being more helpful.

 

This sounds about right:

Nvidia’s RTX 2000 GPUs look like A.I. hardware dressed up for gamers
Jon Martindale | August 25, 2018
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-rtx-graphics-cards-ai/

 

OP's advice is truly the best advice. Wait for actual benchmarks. No need for gambling or guessing, or wasting some poor vendors (and your) time returning.

The benefits of waiting in this case far outweigh the potential upside of jumping cash-first without knowing what's going on.

I would go a bit further and suggest not pre-ordering now and not buying on release, unless there are enough reviews with believable results available before putting money down on a new RTX card.

Give people time to get used to the new cards and settings to optimize their results as well, it's going to take some time for people to figure things out - like what resolution Nvidia is really rendering at to get inflated 4k results with DLSS.

Right now the only model that seems worth getting for RTX is the 2080ti, because the results the 2080ti in ray-tracing mode are so sad I can only imagine how much worse the RTX 2070 / RTX 2080 will be if their Tensor / RT cores performance is less than the 2080ti.

But, we don't know because there are no qualified testing and benchmarking from independent sources to compare RTX performance between models for confidence in the results we would see.

For that matter, even hard core AI people that hope to benefit from RTX Tensor features in consumer GPU's don't know if the capabilities have been hobbled compared to the professional and data center versions - a happy trick Nvidia likes to pull to protect it's higher cost SKU's.

Too many unknowns to pull the trigger on a purchase before knowing the product well enough, way too many.

Nvidia didn't help themselves by being their usual "playful" selves with their keynote and marketing materials released since.

There's nothing Nvidia could have done short of being completely transparent and honest in their presentations. Now, I am sure they would say they were, and did just that, but the results of their work are poor at best - not many people believe them. For being so smart, they've outsmarted themselves once again.

I wonder how it will play out this time? What "feature" or "misfeature" will be the downfall for Nvidia this time?

There are so many visible opportunities for failure to disclose this time, and I wouldn't want to rule out the opportunity for completely unseen unmentioned gotcha's in the RTX realm.

Thank you to Nvidia for providing so much entertainment before the product even arrives.