New Nvidia RTX 2080 and 2080 TI OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED + Preorder

I've done a ton of research into Ultrabooks with 4-lane tb3, just waiting to see real analysis with shipping hardware for the 20 series. Speculation and pontification are fun, but they are not facts.

Honestly I'll probably just grab a cheap 10 series card and wait till the next round for rtx.

 

Facts are fun...

 

Lol I edited, meant to say "they are not facts"

 

Noticed, was about to update my post too, but since you replied I'll leave it up for the lulz.

That's what I think too, right now the best opportunity are the cheap last gen cards, as long as prices stay low - this is going to vary a lot based on sentiment toward the RTX line - which changes daily - and is months away even for many of those that pre-ordered - delivery in November was the last I heard, probably even further out by now.

 

I am happily pre ordered on 2080 TI since I rather get the cards sooner than later and I already have a very good guess on where performance will be. I will just cancel it if it is terrible and buy an used titan v.

 

Yes they waited 2 years before upgrading Pascal, but can you blame them when AMD and Intel are years behind in R&D ? (people speak about 7nm AMD in 2019, well I think they forget that in 2019 Nvidia will not be sleeping and 7nm GPU will be released).

So here we have a GPU that should have, on the paper, putting aside all those A.I, RTX, etc. 30-40% increase in raw performance compared to a Pascal GPU, this should be enough, 12nm is not 7nm people, don't expect some miracle ! However, that Tensor core and RTX unit can offer some pretty cool features like DLSS.

RTX cards are a demo of what could be done when you're 10/7nm node is delayed, rather than lazily cramming more CUDA cores on the die they added new softwares and new hardwares with a slightly better 12nm fabrication node. It's better than a Pascal cards but does not justify an upgrade if you have a 1070+ not because Turing is not good enough, but because Pascal was so damn good it is still relevant in this industry after two years (relevant = 1080p/60+ fps in top notch 2018/2019 AAA games).


real jaw-dropping performance will come with the 7nm finfet node fabrication in 2019 . My advice would be for enthusiast grade Pascal owners to wait for 2019 Nvidia 7nm GPUs.

 

There won't be any 7 nm geforce cards in 2019. Nvidia has a policy of not jumping onto the latest node as soon as it becomes available, mainly because of cost. They'll wait an extra year and release the new cards in 2020, when 7 nm has matured and yields are better. All of the rumours currently point to Navi being a mid-range only product, which means Nvidia don't have to worry about competition from AMD in the high end segment anytime soon. This is reflected in the insane pricing of the new cards and it also provides Nvidia with no reasons to release new cards in 2019.

I would wait until we have some reliable third party reviews of the new Turing cards before making any claims about their performance vs pascal.

 

any news on when laptops with rtx cards will be out?

 

The GeForce RTX 2070 ($500 USD), RTX 2080 ($700), and RTX 2080 Ti ($1000), all of which will launch on September 20, 2018

so laptops maybe another 6 months but no one really knows

source: Gamespot

 

Those prices aren't real - those are the "keynote" prices which are all hundreds less than the Founder/Reference Edition Pre-order prices on Nvidia, and all the other online prices I've seen are hundreds higher... there's like 1 Asus "blower" model 2080 at $725, everything else is over $800, with $869 the highest - I haven't checked since yesterday...

If you go in expecting those ultra low sucker prices given at the keynote, you will be disappointed. Nvidia did this last time too, there were never any GPU's at those keynote prices, the prices started at the Nvidia pre-order prices and went up from there.

Source: Reality.

 

Hah, I laugh at those prices.
I wish RTX 2080 was $800 here too...in Hungary the cheapest RTX 2080 preorder is for the EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 XC GAMING for 291.000 HUF which is $1040...yes, $1040 for the non TI RTX 2080...
As for the RTX 2080 Ti, so far the Inno3D GeForce RTX 2080Ti TWIN X2 is the cheapest preorder for $1530.
Wan't to hear another joke? The minimum wage here is 50% lower than in the US, but dedicated fans are still preordering these cards even with these insane prices.
Prices will probably fall after release, but still, they will be much higher than the US retail price.
So if you see that $800 pricetag, don't forget that many of us have to pay more than $1000 for the same item.

 

Are there any news on when they are going to release the benchmarks? Would love to see the comparison between the 1080

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Here's some more context and contrast between Nvidia series releases:

Founders Farce: How Nvidia is delegitimizing their MSRP
Overlord Gaming
Published on Aug 30, 2018
Nvidia has priced their reference Founders editions hundreds of dollars above their own MSRP specifications. This video explores the inflationary effect this has had on aftermarket, custom cooled cards.

 

I don’t see an issue here at all. Nvidia reaps a higher margin off their FE edition cards which don’t historically sell as well as the aftermarket ones. If they want to sell above MSRP to increase their margins on the early adopters, and everyone is happy, who cares? If you want a good deal and don’t want to pay inflated FE prices, wait for the partner boards.


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The problem is the FE sets the starting prices for most of the AIB partner boards. And, then the AIB prices float up and up and up from there...

There are / were only a sprinkling of sku's with less than FE priced AIB partner series 10 boards. So far there is only 1 Zotac 2080 for $749, the rest are all above $825. There are no 2080ti boards for less than FE.

That Zotac 2080 for $749 is out of stock on newegg, right now there is only a single GPU for $789 most are higher priced 2080 GPU's over $825:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709 50001315 50001312 50001314 50001402 50001471 50012150&IsNodeId=1&Description=2080 gpu&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=36

This started with Pascal, as you saw Nvidia making excuses for in the video - and the media at the event calling them on their BS reasons for raising the prices - you did watch the whole video, right?

Here's a chart with price comparisons and percentage increases from last gen 10 series to the 20 series:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX Series Prices Up To 71% Higher Than Previous Gen
by btarunr Monday, August 20th 2018 11:04 Discuss (219 Comments)
https://www.techpowerup.com/246925/...ries-prices-up-to-71-higher-than-previous-gen

"NVIDIA revealed the SEP prices of its GeForce RTX 20-series, and it's a bloodbath in the absence of competition from AMD. The SEP price is the lowest price you'll be able to find a custom-design card at. NVIDIA is pricing its reference design cards, dubbed "Founders Edition," at a premium of 10-15 percent. These cards don't just have a better (looking) cooler, but also slightly higher clock speeds.

The GeForce RTX 2070 is where the lineup begins, for now. This card has an SEP pricing of USD $499. Its Founders Edition variant is priced at $599, or a staggering 20% premium. You'll recall that the previous-generation GTX 1070 launched at $379, with its Founders Edition at $449.

The GeForce RTX 2080, which is the posterboy of this series, starts at $699, with its Founders Edition card at $799. The GTX 1080 launched at $599, with $699 for the Founders Edition.

Leading the pack is the RTX 2080 Ti, launched at $999, with its Founders Edition variant at $1,199. The GTX 1080 Ti launched at $699, for the Founders Edition no less."

 

fishy behavior..by NVIDIA...but not unexpected.....Please check Linus input after the 43 minute mark on NVIDIA only letting certain reviewers review and benchmark the new RTX cards....before official launch to everyone...........but its kewl.....i guess.......looking at it from their perspective...

 

I am in no hurry to jump in, so waiting for a bunch of people to get their shipping retail hardware is fine with me.

 

Yeesh... How much punishment are early adopters willing to take?

I mean, I guess I understand if your pockets are deep enough and you sneeze at $1200. But for most people that's a significant investment. Personally, I'm waiting till things get more reasonable.

 

I will end up with a laptop with an RTX 2080. Delivered to me at a low price, so none of this matters.

 

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It's going to be 25-35% faster than the 1080Ti. Which imo, is more than marginal.


Im of course not stating that off any specific benchmarks, as there are none, but more so from looking at clock speed/core count differences. Which have historically scaled fairly similarly across architectures. At least since the 700 series.

Also as per Techradar review: https://www.techradar.com/reviews/ nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti

They played Battlefield V and Metro: Exodus with Nvidia RTX turned on, and saw performance run in excess of 100 fps at 4K and Ultra settings.

 

That's extremely hard to believe, given earlier reports that BFV was getting 60 FPS with RTX on at just 1080p.

 

@3:10

 

AMD will be there with 7nm mainstream GPUs in 2019 according to AMD's CEO. And with that node AMD will be a serious competitor in the high end segment, I cannot imagine Nvidia staying still while AMD markets a way better 7nm finfet node...

Nvidia has been working on 7nm for quite some time now from what I've read.

 

https://videocardz.com/77983/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-rtx-2080-official-performance-unveiled

and https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9fuw12/nvidia_geforce_rtx_2080_ti_and_rtx_2080_official/

Spoiler

 

Whew. Those benches make me want a 2080 badly. Damn son.

 

My only thought is that the 2080 are going to be in desktop replacements only


A Aorus or even a Asus slim line would be hot hot hot even undervolting plus come with the msrp cost of full value on the cards so they are going to be ridiculously priced

 

The question now is how much the desktop gpu's will differ from laptop in terms of power and price. Spending so much i.e. 5k plus on clevo laptops is somewhat impractical if gaming is the main priority.

 

Yeah.. I paid $3K for mine and i would call that expensive, though it seems like, TDP wise, something like a 2070 would work out at the top end.. Maybe they'll release a 2080 Max Q Though it seems like an uncut 2070 is about all a notebook could unreasonably dissipate the heat from. Reasonably probably a cut 2070 TBH.

 

A lesser 2070 w/o RTX priced bet. 1000-1500$ This is my guest!

 

Most of the 1070 Max-Q notebooks start at 2000-2100.. there's no way unless it's a cheap fatbook...

 

I meant the price of the laptop gpu. Now if I can accumulate 5K again for my next gaming rig rather than upgrading or buying a new clevo laptop, I'm leaning on assembling a small form factor pc with 9900K & gtx 2080TI. I'm pretty sure a budget of 3K is more than enough so the remaining will be expend on a high end monitor/tv and a ps4 pro. A win win for me

 

I just want this in MXM3.0b form. Please

 

BENCHMARK IS FINALLY HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!

@4:44


@5:33 Note this review is only for 2080

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-founders-edition-review/

Not quite a 50% increase... 25-40 more like. And remember the 2080ti is $1200, so price wise we should be comparing the 1080ti to the 2080... which is like a 4% increase for around $100 extra.

 

And new drivers... nVIDIA GeForce Drivers v411.63 WHQL is up due the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti graphics cards event Let's see how much this driver will break for Pascal owners

 

very underwhelming

 

All this doesn't sound too exciting for the 2080 Max-Q... seems like we'll only get around 20% increase over 1080 AT BEST for most likely a HUGE increase in price.

 

Hardware Unboxed's video shows about a 1% average improvement, with some games showing the 1080ti as faster than the 2080, here are the 1440p average comparison:

Given the current 2080 selling price of $799 through Nvidia, with nice highend 2080's with tri-fan cooling selling for $829-$869 at newegg, while you can get nice used 1080ti's for $500-550, and with no RT (hairworks) or DLSS (fake 4k - rendered at 1/2 4k) games shipping, it would seem like this Nvidia GPU generation is a bust.

Unless you want to sell your 1080ti for $500 and spend $1,169-$1,300 (USA) ($600-$800 more) for a 2080ti?

I wonder how the 2070 will fair against the 1070ti / 1080 / Vega 56/64 selling used for less? Given the lower specs for RT / TC in the 2070, the 2070 may not make sense for the new RTX features either, when games with RTX features start shipping...

 

Yeah I'd just wait at least until the next console gen. Ray tracing is still at its infancy and barely any games will support it. Along with you pretty much having to play at 1080p to get acceptable framerates with it on.

 

It sure seems like the only card even worth considering is the 2080Ti. The 2080 seems like a bust to me. Even if enough games come out with Ray Tracing do you really want to drop back down to 1080p to play them at good framerates? I would imagine it will be 2 years or so before games are consistently released with Ray Tracing and that's how long it will take before GPU's can really push them at 4k and more than 60FPS. I don't know, 1080ti and 2080ti look like the cards to get. It's all about about price and patience.

 

Nvidia shares fall after Morgan Stanley says the performance of its new gaming card is disappointing https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/nvi...nley-calls-new-gaming-card-disappointing.html

 

4K performance (via techpowerup):
780 Ti --> 980 Ti = 55% Improvement
980 Ti --> 1080 Ti = 67% Improvement
1080 Ti --> 2080 Ti = 38% Improvement
Prices:
780 Ti $699
980 Ti $649
1080 Ti $699
2080 Ti $1,200

 

Morgan Stanley’s Failure To Comprehend Bleeding Edge GPU Tech Results In NVIDIA Downgrade...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-75#post-10798145

 

What the authors of that article fail to comprehend is that investors only care about the here and now. What happens if real-time ray tracing ends up like PhysX and fails to gain much traction?

 

Same with people who want the card. Why pay the premium if the results don't back it up. Rather just wait then.

Yeah great they have RAY TRACING!.. but wait, no game out right now is using it. Oh and wait previous demos showed you have to play at 1080p to even get 60fps, NICE.

So what are we left with? Traditional rendering, and even here these cards aren't even surpassing pascal the way Nvidia "predicted". What was it, like 50% performance increase? Yikes.

RTX is novelty range right now until next console gen when devs have incentive to build ground up for it.

 

Just followed someone to this thread
Just received my RTX 2080 for eGPU setting i didn’t feel performance difference at this point compared to 1080ti eGPU, pretty similar but after benchmarks out I want that ti , yes it’s not like Pascal Maxwell difference. But hey we’re have new champion now that pretty similar with €3000 Titan V on gaming performance, can’t
wait till windows update the new directx to maximize this new architecture capability. Rtx on off, Hype for new toy

 

All of the reviews show that the 2080 and 1080ti are very familiar in performance.

 

It’s true at this point. That’s also why I’ll return my 2080fe and wait my 2080ti Asus, not worth €250 upgrade (sold my 1080ti €600) only for rtx and dsll that doesn’t exist yet. I’ll prefer better 30% raw performance even that translates another +€410.

 

If you search on reddit hardware swap, there is 1080ti's for 500-520usd each.