New details about Nvidia`s Maxwell

Oh, that's cool. They better tell us something! :thumbsup:

 

Thank you for the reply. I learned something there But it makes you speculate why Nvidia released this card which is something in between.

 

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Meh, same GPU.

Anandtech writes about the 3GB version.
Here is the 6GB version. Same specs (GPU).

I agree with you though, very impressive that Razer got that inside the 14" notebook. I thought it was intended for the bigger Razer Pro.

 

Yes, that makes me wonder a lot too. How does both the Razer 14" and the MSI GS70 fit this supposed 100W GPU in 0.7" thin machines? If 860m run as cool as they seem, then SLI is making more sense in these thin and lights.

 

Totally agreed with the 840M/860M point lol. How much do you think the lowest price would be for a 840M laptop?
Also Notebookcheck says the 840M is pretty much on par with the 750M GDDR3 version.. Pretty believable Cloud?

 

I haven't seen any new machines with a 680m. Where would you purchase this?

 

Easy way to do that is to get a GTX 850m or better. The 840m and down use DDR3.

 

No, because there are 850m with DDR3 (yes, again that ), for example the Asus N550JK

 

That sucks. I was looking here:
AnandTech | NVIDIA

Moving past the naming aspect of the GTX 850M, the specifications are basically the same as the Maxwell GTX 860M, only with a lower core clock of 876MHz. One nice benefit of moving to the GTX class is that the 850M will require the use of GDDR5.​

Guess they got it wrong. I checked your link to the Asus N550JK and it clearly states DDR3.

I would really like to see similar machines benchmarked with the 860M 2GB vs 4GB.

 

Yes, they are wrong, unfortunately. It was already very silly putting ddr3 vram on the 750m, but now in the 850m, it is a complete nonsense

 

nVidia: "Hey we released Maxwell on the 28nm process, look how awesome it is, 20nm coming soon."
- Desktop 20nm cards released late spring/early summer.
- Computex 2014 - Laptop MFGs show off with new 20nm mobile variants (8#5/MX)
- 20nm mobile variants late summer, early fall.

Completely wishful thinking.

 

I'm trying to figure out which of the new Clevo/Sagers has the Maxwell Nvidia 8xx's (versus Keppler). any clues??

 

Wouldn't that be the solded on ones ...so if you can choose or upgrade GPU it's prolly Kepplar!? ...and only for the 860 and below.

 

I can't find any indications where the Clevo/Sagers say if it's soldered or not. I was looking at the new NP8258, looks like the best gaming option they have, but there's nothing about whether the 860m on this model is soldered - nor any of the models.

 

The MXM versions should be Kepler, while the soldered versions should be Maxwell.

 

yeah again, nothing on any of the websites (powernotebooks.com, xoticpc, even sager themselves) say whether their notebooks are mxm or soldered. Thus my question.

 

In one of the previous posts, somebody noticed that all of the Kepler 860Ms seemed to have 4GB VRAM whereas all of the Maxwell ones had 2GB. I'm not sure how universal this is, but it seems to be true for the ones that I've looked at. Your best bet would be to contact the company you're buying from and get the answer from them directly.

 

I believe the Sager NP7338 (just released a day or so ago) has the 2GB Maxwell GTX-860M, per one of the resellers [ link]. The NP7338 is soldered. I don't think anything under 15" is mxm,

 

If it says "User Upgradeable" or you have a choices to select a different GPU when customizing your laptop, then MXM. If there is only one GPU that is selected, and you can't select any other GPU, then soldered... or that is my take.

 

Sager confuse the names but on the clevo side the p series eg p157sm will use mxm while other series use a soldered chip.

 

I don't think those extra vram will be of any use. Not even desktop gtx 770 benefits from the 4gb vram version. The 4gb and 2gb versions perform identically.

 

When will the Gigabyte P34G v2 with GTX 860 be released? is there any 15.6 inch or smaller lappies with 860 other than apache pro GE60?

 

Just out of curiosity, when the 20nm parts are released (summer?) will we see a 20nm refresh of the maxwell parts released now? 20nm 860m, etc?

 

I doubt it. I suspect that'll come with the 900M series.

 

AFAIK the Gigabyte is almost immediately available. and for the other laptops: Clevo has barebones with 15.6'' with the 860M. though it will most likely be the Kepler variants for some. but something like the Schenker A504 should be available at other Clevo resellers as well:
mySN.de | SCHENKER XMG | Schenker Technologies - XMG A504 ADVANCED Gaming Notebook 39,6cm (15.6")

 

Soooo... next year?

 

Exactly what part is wishful thinking?

 

I thought they said that 800m = maxwell 28nm + kepler
800MX = 20nm maxwell
900m should be 20nm maxwell refresh

 

Yeah, I think you are right. It's almost April and we've only seen 28nm Maxwell on the lower cards (which is already an amazing improvement). I suppose we'll know more at the announcement in a couple weeks.

I'm assuming Alienware will launch new hardware at CES again (June). Everything seems to be delayed these days...

 

Do you really think that alienware is going to wait three months untill they offer the new gpus? It's quite a long time for the competitors to gain more marketshare...

sent from my Nexus 5

 

Thanks for the info. Please pardon my confusion on this, but I'm still trying to figure out the best way to get the best Sager but w/ Maxwell graphics chip. I really like the P157sm / Sager NP8258, and would prefer not to get a less-featured chassis. But if I understand things, if I do this, I can NOT get a Maxwell GPU in this chassis, because the 860M in this one is not soldered. Is that right? Are there any options for getting the top of the line P157sm but with Maxwell GPU?

 

Yes, I do. They have to sell X amount of the current generation hardware before completely moving onto the next generation. It's a business, there are quotas to meet and contracts to fulfill between NVIDIA and Dell. Plus, it's a niche market. People will buy them no matter what. Alienware is the top of the line, in regards to mobile gaming.

They waited last year, my guess is they'll do it again this year.

 

A little bird tweeted that Nvidia is waiting to release mid/high end Maxwell`s until Microsoft have announced DirectX12.
Microsoft will present DirectX12 at GDC March 20th and Nvidia will be showing more of Maxwell at GPU conference in late March where they will use the opportunity to announce that upcoming Maxwell cards will fully support DirectX12.

Don`t take my word for it. It is a rumor, could be wrong, could be true.

 

That would make sense. This would mean a late summer release (at CES) is likely (for Alienware)!

 

Yes it actually does make total sense. Nvidia is most likely looking to beat AMD to the market with 20nm, and if they already have models almost ready for the market, announce them with full DX12 support right after Microsoft presented DX12, will be a really good strategy marketing wise.

GTX 680M is dead. You can only get it from ebay now. 800M series is the new cool kid on the block. Personally I think that kid GTX 870M is lame though.

I have no idea how Razer managed to do that with the 14". I`m thinking high temperatures there for sure, unless they have some top secret alien technology they will be using
Anyhow, I know why AORUS might not have decided to use GTX 860M. The GPU doesnt support SLI according to a slide I saw yesterday.
A MXM card would probably fix that but since Maxwell 860M doesnt come on MXM cards, or that AORUS doesnt use MXM cards, its a dead end.

 

XoticPC is offering for sale an NP9377 with 860M in SLI. It is an MXM card, however.
XOTIC PC | Sager NP9377 (Clevo P370SM3) 17.3" Custom Gaming Laptop

But you are saying the Maxwell 860M doesn't support SLI. Strange times...

 

I should have specified GTX 860M Maxwell doesn`t support SLI. My bad, well I blame Nvidia for making its difficult for people to keep track of things.

"Mom, can you buy my that Sager notebook with the GTX 860M SLI? It runs super cool and it can overclock like a beast"
"Sure hunny"
*Runs GPU-z*
*1152 cores, 128bit*
"MOOOOOOOOOOM"

Can`t blame the kid though.

 

Yeah, they want $500-$700 for a GTX 680M on ebay. No thank you.

I don't know man... the GTX 870M is 30% faster than the 770M, which closes the gap between the 870M and 880M over the previous generation. It's quite a bit cheaper than the GTX 880M. It has been suggested to me that GTX 870M in SLI might be a good solution for one seeking a new 17" laptop today, which I am.

I haven't made up my mind on anything just yet. I am not in a super big hurry either.

 

Cloudfire, it seems the GTX 800 series is a maze especially after nvidia's specification mistakes on their websites with all GPUs have 128 bit interfaces.I only wonder are there any re-sellers that accept international credit cards other than hidevolution as gentech, xoptic only accept local ones or moneyorder/paypal, it would just feel safer to speak to the re-seller and ensure what you are buying is correct...

 

Yes, it is certainly confusing, which is why I am doing a LOT of reading and keeping an open mind. I am really looking forward to some benchmarks of actual machines running 800m series both single and SLI. I saw the Razor Blade 14" got 6,795 in 3DMark 11 with the 870M. Not too shabby.

Hands-on: Updated Razer Blade and Blade Pro laptops are slim, more supercharged | PCWorld

 

GTX 870M is undoubtly a fast GPU. But its sort of a GPU that force bandwidth through hotter and faster VRAM`s (cause of the clocks and the voltage). And they removed 8ROPs from the 680M. :/
But all in all, if you need a computer now, by all means buy one with 870M in SLI. It will be a beast for sure.

I still think buying Kepler now is wrong. Look at the other threads, I wrote something about maybe we will see more of Maxwell late this month. Might be worth looking in to.

I have only purchased from Gentech and Xotic earlier. They didn`t accept internation Credit Cards. I had to do a Wire transfer to their bank account.
Dell accepted international CC though.

Maybe someone else might know some respected resellers that do

Yeah that is very nice score. Around 10% ish more than GTX 680M.
I`m interested to see real FPS in games though, to see how the 8 less ROPs will impact performance. They might do.

 

Cloudfire, I have been trying to figure out the difference between 860 and 680 in real FPS but ironically due to 860 s heavy clocks it reaches the same levels of 680 or less in 720p gaming without TSSA or other options. Yet 1080p tests are nearly always done with all the TS/MS maxed out making all cards stutter under a 30 fps frame rate, the fps tests just do not show pure 1080p gaming without any extras which makes it harder to know real difference between 680/860 in 1080p gaming.

 

Notebookcheck have a tool that lets you see FPS in many games. Just select GTX 860M and GTX 680M and compare. They are actually close sometimes in 1080p in Ultra.
But you are right, it doesnt show 1080p only on high settings for example.

You are gonna have to wait for a review from Anandtech to find out im afraid

 

I understand. The Kelper 800M series are a stop gap solution. Not bad for a stop gap I guess. At least we got some more performance out of it for no extra cost.

The money allocated for my laptop purchase can sit in the bank. My current laptop needs to be replaced, but not today. The Sager models I am interested in are not available until later this month anyway.

From that linked Razor Blade review, it seems to be handling Battlefield 4 decently enough.

"It's a devil of a choice. I played Battlefield 4 on the Blade at 3200-by-1800, Medium preset, and it looks as smooth as you'd expect. The additional pixel density adds clarity to the image and smooths out most aliasing. On the other hand, you're stuck with muddier textures and fewer particle effects, and even at Medium Battlefield ran around 40-50 frames per second. By contrast, Battlefield 4 runs around 35 frames per second on Ultra settings at 1920-by-1080."​

 

Cloudfire, I am just dieing to buy a laptop the upcoming gigabyte might solve the extremely high temps seen in the GTX 860 GE60 because of that supra cool technology or so they say but will it come now or is it going to fall behind like alienware/lenovo?

 

Agree, I don't think nVidia would change the 800 series name to the 900 series until around this time next year. They'll continue to pump out updated chips under the 800 name such as the MX or 8#5 series. Would be a bad branding call to change the series name immediately after 3 months launch.

 

Well GTX supposedly should mean it's SLI capable...

 

A little insider, taking a word for it.

Will sound like a fluff but: The DX 12 Demo will be run on AMD latest GPU.

 

Good to know that AMD is trying to get into the game.

 

Maxwell will have a tough competition this time around