New details about Nvidia`s Maxwell

Desktop cards will be purchasable in summer, meanwhile mobile cards' case may differ. The statement about 20nm gpus u provided is too general

 

Why would NVIDIA hide the fact that it's Maxwell? Why would they play mind games with us like this? Why, NVIDIA, why?

 

Getting very confusing.
GTX 870M 192-bit 3GB Maxwell?

 

U know what:

I think yours 800m series are the following:

28nm will focus on efficiency rather than performance and 20nm will be performance king. As 870M is still 870, which weaker than 880?!

 

lol I have no idea. I know GT60 have a Kepler GTX 870M since I`ve seen reviews of it.
But Maxwell GTX 870M? I don`t know. The GS60 is both ridicilous thin and small so a GTX 680M running 1GHz would be pretty amazing to do.

What a mess.

One thing for sure, it can`t be based on the only Maxwell announced by Nvidia: GM107
GTX 860M is already a full GM107.

MSI just list it as "New Nvidia graphics"
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Right, I was referring to high-end mobile cards that will be available this fall (going by the very recent release of 880m and 870m, and statements in guidance that Kepler was to bring a large margin in the mobile space through 2014). Agreed that 20nm desktops cards will be available this summer, no doubt - the mobile high end will follow.

 

Why would clevo released a W230SS with a GTX 860M Maxwell, when they can put a GTX 870M Maxwell(if there is one).
I want that!

 

That means the gtx 870 is a full gm107 with uber clocks like 1.4 to 1.6 lol or its a gm106. Also nvidia can do this cuz they own the market right now , AMD hasn't answered back so what else would you do , nvidia is like "hmmm ...... Let's have fun just messing with naming again ...." Also another thing would be that nvidia doesn't have consoles GPU like AMD does , so they will still have to release 20 nm. They have to increase the quarter profits so their stocks rise

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Sorry, I guess I misunderstood your statement.

My apologies, colleague.

Mobile Maxwell high end fall release makes a lot of sense( like the gap was with 680 and 680~ 2month) but I am not too specialized in this area.

Good luck with your purchase

 

we all know u want Hawaii 295m with its with water block hanging out of a laptop. :laugh: :laugh:

295 desktop version has 2 gpus and a water block attached to it, that is why Mobile version is likely the same.

 

What the bliiiiip. Sounds extremely like Maxwell to me
What Maxwell is this?

This will beat GTX 780M lol

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remember I was talking about 28nm Maxwell beyond gm 107?!

 

Heh, my bad... I wasn't nearly specific enough.

Yes, the sooner I can waste time day dreaming about buying an 880mx/990m the better

In other words on my 20nm point, NVDA is going to only filling specific mobile card segments that are profitable for the near term with 20nm offerings. They are going to hold off releasing a high-end 20nm since a) they are going to milk their mature Kepler as long as possible and b) 20nm in the high-end is an low-margin proposition right now on the new process

 

Sorry but I know NOTHING about this. Perhaps you meant that biggest maxwell chip gonna be twice faster? That is a huge difference as don't forget about disabling ROPs and underclocking.

 

TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!!!!! I'm jumping up and down in excitement


Edit: omg what about the Maxwell 880m ( ) ........


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I kinda feel sorry for Mobile users at times. Desktop has different treatment and when there was a big fuss about 600 being a mid range and priced as high end, everyone including me was mad. But compared to Mobile, u guys are getting crapped on hard. No offence here

Hopefully everything goes well/better than before this time around

 

From what i know, the 800m series was MEANT TO BE MAXWELL. nVidia failed to deliver and ended up with a bunch of rebrands. Which is why 800MX series would be released soon to meet their goal.

 

Yeah you did. But none of the reviewer sites, or Nvidia says anything other than 870M = Kepler.
Still not sure what is going on here

If this truly is a Maxwell then we are off to a extremely good start.
Over GTX 780M performance in a super slim notebook like GS60?
Sick, very sick indeed.

I will try to track down some GPU-z of it. Although that would probably not help because GPU-z nor AIDA have added support for any other than GM107.

Typical Nvidia to make this difficult to keep up with.

 

It would also be nipping at the heels of the 880M. How could NVIDIA allow a 870M to perform as well as a 880M? That's just poor marketing. So confusing! :S

 

Since MSI says it will be 35% faster than 770M, we are looking at GTX 780M performance.
780M is 40% faster than GTX 770M.

In Review: Nvidia GeForce GTX 780M, GTX 770M & GTX 765M - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

 

I thought it won't be as fast as the GTX 780M?
Definitely faster than the GTX 770M but not GTX 780M.

 

I told you cloud, the second Razer announced 870m in their notebook, it was pretty clear something was going on. If this is truly the case, I'm likely diving head first for one of these quality thin and lights. Possibly not Razer because of their lack of user upgradeable parts. But there's bound to be something coming our way soon.

Probably 780m. Stock 880m is still about 10-15% faster than stock 780m.

 

I was with you man, highly sceptical about any 870M Maxwell since nobody have ever spoken of it, but I saw your heat logic
But we got to see some more information before we are certain here. It could be mishap by MSI marketing team.

Exciting

 

I know, as you noted, it could just be nVidia dumping their GK104 parts out the door for cheap, and did some minor improvements TDP making it work in these smaller machines, and possibly with no boost. 860m overclocked may actually match it if that is the case. Just release the damn product already so we can know wth is going on!

 

Gonna consider the MSI GS60 with GTX 870M then.
Hopefully there's an option to downgrade its display to FullHD.

Damn you Nvidia.

 

The thing I hate about the Razer is that they upcharge $500 just to get it with the 512GB SSD. Ridiculous, yet it voids warranty to open up the damn machine.

 

I'm not clicking any buy buttons until I see a thorough Razer 14 review. It seems to make perfect sense. The 765M was on the edge of what they could do heat and noise wise. They did have the quietest thin and light with the 2013 it would be a shame for them to backtrack on that part.

We can all speculate till the cows come home, nobody knows jack until we see some GPU-z and in-depth heat and noise analysis of shipping hardware.

 

Maybe Maxwell cards are now way too overpriced for notebook manufacturers plus Kepler are discounted that for premium class laptops 870Ms are maxwell.

 

More like 5%-10%. John proved this with his extensive testing. I believe he also mentioned there's limited overclock as well.

 

Well, there is no reviewer who tested 870M Maxwell that is why there has been little talk about it. Although, Linus Tech Tips did mention 870m Maxwell card.

I dunno about what will it feature, as it is not my area of information but It might be GM 104, as far as I remember there is GM 104 860m mention in diver too . Or 870m could be a gm 107 on steroids, ..

 

Lol if the gtx 870 is a gm107 @ 2.0 GHz ... I don't know ... And to think this whole lineup of gm107 can keep up with last years highends

Edit: 2.0 GHz isn't gonna happen but what if it could get that high

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This is the GTX 870M thats inside GT60 and GT70.

 

That definitely looks to match the 870m (Kepler) we've been hearing about.

 

Was just kidding with you, I'd never do such a thing to embarrass someone on NBR. I've been wildly wrong in our past discussions (not going to say when lol); it just comes with the territory.

You are all-in on 20nm by Summer, while I'm on the Q4 to Q1 of 2015 train. Regardless of who's proven right, it makes for interesting conversation.

 

Yeah, that can't be Maxwell. 1344/128 = 10.5. 10.5 SMM's is an impossible figure

 

MSI said the same thing for the GTX 870M on the GT60, lower temperature and watts.

Kepler after all.

 

Maybe the 870M in the thin-and-light laptops is undervolted and underclocked?

 

Cloud, what you say does make a lot of sense, and I would agree with you on this, but what I am seeing from a purely business and marketing standpoint that makes me uneasy about Nvidia's timetable for release of the HP 20nm Maxwell for gamers like ourselves, is that they would have a very hard time making that commitment from a broader market appeal to non-gamers who will not be aware of the potential benefits that a smaller, more powerful high-end gaming chip will have to them this soon.
Most, if not all non-gamers have no idea what Kepler or Maxwell is, and the only ones who do know are those of us who play high-end games in Laptops.
They buy their cheap laptops from Best Buy or Walmart, due to budget restrictions and having less money due to high Obamacare costs in America, and even not having a job at all. Basically, money is short all over.
That is a tough sell for customers who are not the targets that Nvidia wants as buyers of the 20nm Maxwell coming off the coat tails of a 28nm Kepler.
I would love to be wrong here in my business analysis of this, but I don't think that I am.
I think that given the smaller percentage of PC owners out there who own gaming laptops overall, the globally depression economic situation we are all in, and the lack of competitive pressure from AMD now, I just have a hunch that Nvidia will not too quickly rush this time to put out an 880Mx or 990M chip this soon, given the huge financial commitment it will take, as opposed to what they have done in year's past. That could be seen as a risky move for them.

I really hope that I am wrong about this, because I so want to sell my 7970m Laptop and come back to Nvidia for an even better gaming system this summer.

 

I don't share that particular business assessment. I don't see anything that would prevent nVidia from pushing out the 20nm chips as soon as they are available and in the hands of MFG.

Yes, the 28nm Maxwell and Kepler rebadge just released as the 800 series. In 3-6 months nVidia could push out the next iteration (ala 20nm) chips in the MX series without it hurting the brand name.

If nVidia released these chips under the 900 series, yes, I can see that as being somewhat of a branding issue. nVidia won't release the 900 series until this time next year, and at that point it will most likely be a rebrand of the 20nm series.

Truth be told, I have a feeling we'll know for sure in June. If there are no shows of a updated nVidia chip in laptops at Computex, then there we go.

 

Yeah, I suppose the lack of competition may actually be encouraging NVIDIA to act faster and get these things out asap. Why waste a prime opportunity to completely wipe out AMD from the notebook market? Though if that does happen we're in trouble, as competition is always good for the industry...

 

For what ever reason, AMD decide to not compete at the high end range (ala i7/GTX) and only target the midrange section (i5/GT)... their flagship GPU could be so much better if they could get more MFGs to put it in a Intel machine, I think Sager\Clevo and Alienware are the only ones that do an I7/7970/8970/R9 290X. But they are making their money back in the console chips. Maybe one day they'll find something in the PC market that works for them again.

 

I was thinking something along similar lines. Maybe Green can get an advantage big enough over Red as to replicate the situation we currently have between Blue and Red in the CPU front.

 

20nm will most likely show up in late june/july time. But, it seems Nvidia will push 860s first, which are a representative of 28nm series. But this might change, as we move along. As far as high end goes, everything has remained unchanged since my past info about it.

 

Oh no. Nvidia has to be the 1st to act, otherwise AMD will push its semi high parts again.......

 

Sorry guys. Despite what MSI said, the marketing team made a bo-bo. MSI GS70 have Kepler GTX 870M too.
Maxwell GTX 870M may not exist despite our hope for it.

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GS70 GTX 870M GPU-z

According PCI repository,

10DE-1199 = GK104M
PCI Devices

 

Which explains why NVIDIA didn't announce a Maxwell 870M!

That makes the engineering feat even more impressive. 870M inside a sub-1" thick notebook. Insanity!

 

They will undoubtly run hot. Hot and loud.
Especially that little 14" from Razer. lol

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We all make mistakes. I didnt even believe we would see 28nm Maxwell. But here we have are, with the abomination GTX 860M

 

Yeah, probably too good to be true, Maxwell 870m. They must just not allow boost or something. Curious then to see if 860m overclocked can compete with the 870m. But that Kepler 860m in the MSI was 3DMark11 about 5000, pretty impressive either way. 870m will likely be closer to 6000, maybe a little more, but should hopefully be achievable with 860m.

 

I've posted before of the highest 3DMark11 score a desktop GTX 750 Ti could score last time :

GTX 870M scored around 7000 graphics score.

Edit :
GenTechPC did a nice short review of the MSI GT60 with GTX 870M.
GTX 870M scored a 7280 graphics score

After a run of 3DMark11, temps are :
CPU Package - 81c
GTX 870M - 71c
But with Turbo Fan on.

I'm guessing it will be quite hot on a thin laptop such as the Razer Blade, GS70, and GS60.

 

Looks like the Dell PA-9E PSU is 240w, the one from Clevo is 230w. 10w doesn't seem like much of an upgrade. Enlighten me o' wizened one...