New details about Nvidia`s Maxwell

Guys if I find an older laptop with a GTX 680 and 3630 priced at the price of GTX 870 and 4700, which one would be more powerful and if the 680 is, is it worth buying a discontinued product by MSI? and the gt 60 0ne has had windows 8 update issues or hdd failures , if anyone has bought it please share with me.

 

Yep everything is assumptions, but a little logic thrown in the mix.

We should have zero issues having a GTX 860M running the same clocks as GTX 750 Ti. Have you seen the tiny fan it use? I`m sure the fans we have in our notebooks with bigger heatsinks is just as efficient to cool it down.
GTX 750 Ti runs on around 40-50C during full load

GTX 860M will have low memory memory that runs cooler and the cores will run on lower voltage resulting in lower temps.
It looks very promising

 

but if its too underclocked we are gonna have to mod the bios to get through the +135mhz limit

 

MSI afterburner not working for Nvidia cards?

 

all tools like msi afterburner or asus gpu tweak etc.. arent able to go pass the +135MHz limit of the Nvidia cards without a BIOS mod, it's locked in there, i dont know why..

 

That happens to ATI desktop cards too (idk about mobile since I've never owned one). So, its not exclusive to either side.

 

My hd 5650 is unlocked..

 

My 8750M unlocked too. Are the memory modules also +135MHz limited on Nvidia cards?

 

Nope. Memory is unlocked unlimited, although no voltage mod. It's a shame about the limited GPU clocks though because it doesn't take much to unlock them, just it requires a BIOS mod which technically voids warranty.

 

Erm if you need to return it simply flash back the original vbios. Unless you loose the original bios file or brick the card upon flashing there is nothing to worry about.

Why are people worried about flashing the vbios? When I OC my card and test it I sometimes flash it more than a dozen times in a single day!

 

It's not fear of flashing, just failure of the card whether due to BIOS flash or not. If you flash your GPU and you have an issue with the card and can't get a screen or something and send the card in for replacement, it won't bode too well. You can flash it as long as it's working, but if the card fails for some reason, well you're usually SoL.

And your comment "Unless you lose the original BIOS or brick the card"... yes bricking the card is a possibility where you end up with an $800 paperweight.

 

If anyone finds a convertible with a GTX 860M or better between now and June for under $1500, could you tell me? I will need a laptop between now and June and really want it to be convertible and want to play games on it if possible. It doesn't need to have support for it, but I would like it, if possible, to have digitizer.

 

What?

 

Haha. You win. I'll take the Jag.

And, my ASUS ATI Radeon HD7970 DirectCU II TOP has a 1125MHz max core clock, so I'm confused. I've tried ASUS GPU Tweak and MSI Afterburner.

 

I doubt you'll find any convertible with an 860m or faster. The TDP is too high. Pretty much every convertible uses the IGP or at the very best a low TDP dedicated GPU. A convertible is meant to work as a tablet, and anything with an 860m will weigh a lot more than what people would be willing to lug around, not to mention 860m means "gaming" laptop and those rarely come with a touch screen.

But if I had to choose a convertible ...

 

Actually, scratch the Jag. I'd go for this



And I agree with HT, you won't find any decent GPU in a convertible.

 

lol well that escalated quickly

@Machu: What did you mean by convertible? And what is a digitizer? ^^

 

I don't know if you guys have seen this but here you go Nvidia Geforce 800M Mobility Series Lineup Details Leak - Will Not Be Based on Maxwell Architecture. There are rumors that the entire 8XX lineup is a rebrand. To me it seems that the cards with 50W and less TDP are Maxwell though, so there are 2 GTX860s and the one with 4GB VRAM and 75WTDP is probably a rebrand.

 

Convertible.

 

What??? if this is true bye bye...

 

I think that author is assuming that all GPU series should be only Maxwell or only Kepler, where in truth half of it (low end) will be Maxwell and the other half (high end) would be Kepler

 

WCCFTech rumor reports are horrible and generally incorrect... they're pretty much a broken clock that are only right twice a day. I stopped following them and deleted bookmarks due to their lack of research.

 

True dat son.
Just because tdps are similar does not mean that performance is.

 

WCCFTech is a 1 man rumor website where he write "source known by us" whenever he finds it on the internet and doesnt want to link to that particular site because he wants to trick people to believe that he have personally know leakers. That man is full of himself and the site have articles with comments from users like "nvidiarebadgesux", MD" etc.

Videocardz is a semi news/rumor site that is much more reliable. I have talked to the main editor there many times and he actually does have contacts with someone that knows stuff before anyone else.

 

Cloudfire is this forum's pride after proving the rumor wrong with facts and proof .Cloudfire, I hate to sound like a broken record but I found gt 60 0ne heavily discounted from 2k>1579, your advice is buy it now or wait for 870? and I heard that there were lots of w8 update issues, HDD failures on that laptop, do you have any idea about it?What do you think I should do

 

Buy that GT60 if you need that notebook now. GTX 680M is a better GPU than GTX 870M.
I dont think we will see a Maxwell GPU capable of beating GTX 680M until atleast summer. If you can wait til June-ish, do that because those Maxwell will be a much better buy.

GT60 is a pretty good notebook man. You can even get fan control software to tweak the fan speed anyhow you want

 

I'm really surprised that you expect mobile 20nm by early Summer.

 

Why?
TSMC have produced 20nm for 1.5 month now. Say availability in early July, that means 5.5 months of 20nm production.
Why shouldnt that be enough for the first 20nm GPUs?

 

Two new notebooks listed with GT 840M
HP ENVY TouchSmart 15-j148tx Notebook PC Product Specifications | HP®-støtte
HP Pavilion 14-n257tx Notebook PC(G4W19PA)| HP® Thailand

 

Good find.

But not very impressive dimensions for such meager performance...

Still looking for my 11-12", 0.5" thick, 1080p, and about 2.5lbs, with an 830m minimum.

 

What if the 20nm productions are also being hogged for other stuff?

Such as components for tablets and smartphones?

 

And the yields are?

 

Cursed iphone 6 was getting the attention, apparently.

 

Article from FORBES:

Quote:
This all leads to a conclusion that’s far from crazy: When Nvidia’s high-end Maxwell cards drop later this year (possibly by late March), they’re going to meet or surpass the hashrates currently possible from AMD, consume less power, and do so while staying cooler and quieter.

One very valid concern for miners and gamers alike is the fear that pricing for Nvidia GPUs will become inflated just as AMD ones have become — caused by a lack of sufficient supply. A representative assures me this won’t happen, and it’s a claim backed up by the fact that Nvidia has much tighter control over their production.


Cant provide link, but search it up on google, should be there.

basically, Nvidia is moving bottom to high standart. Expect 760 replacememnt on desktop this Late March, if the info is true. 880 and later will indeed be after June/late June

 

Good enough to meet the requirements of mass production.

Let us hope that is true.
Mining performance of Maxwell is actually better than AMD`s GCN cards, so Nvidia have indeed improved that a lot from the sucky Kepler mining cards.
What you see here is a 60W Maxwell card beating a 140W GTX 660 and matching a 150W R7 265. Very impressive. But like mentioned, that could perhaps lead to higher GPU prices. R9 290x cost $600 when it first came out, now its sold out everywhere and the current price is $900. All thanks to the wonderful gang that use the GPUs as mining cards

Yep, you bet there are other companies there that buy 20nm wafers for sure. Like Apple. But I`m sure Nvidia is capable of making a deal with TSMC to get the wafers they need to atleast launch some new 20nm GPUs. Then get more once production ramps up. Nvidia have been a partner with TSMC for a quite a while so its not like they will not be heard if they need anything.

Is that even possible?
Well GT 830M is a Maxwell though, so thats makes it a little more plausible. But why 11"? That is like a iPad size or something lol

 

I want small, light, portable, something to complement my larger laptop I intend on buying later this year. Sony Vaio Pro 11 is nearly that, just no dedicated GPU, and actually just picked one up cheap (damn me and my late night impulse buys), thing is as light as a feather, weighs less than two pounds, and beats the pants off my $400 3lbs AMD Acer 11.6".

edit: gah, I just realized that the Asus UX302 will have 730m possibly 830m GPU! It's 0.7" thick, 3.3 lbs, but the darn thing will probably cost $1500+

 

They can even put a GT 845M in that thing if GT 845M really is around 30W TDP.

 

Very true. That would be the ultimate road warrior. However it is looking like the UX302 gets less than 5 hours usable battery life. Although it is quite odd with the UX302 with the dedicated GPU version is due to release any day, yet it will come with a 730m GPU. One would think they'd hold out for just a month or two more and include something like the 840m or 845m if TDP is truly that low with the Maxwell chips.

 

I am curious how well it operates at lower power levels compared to the desktop.

 

uhh Asus released new laptops at IT show 2014 including a new ROG available for pre-order but still without maxwell darn..

IT Show 2014 - Notebooks, Networking, & Gaming Gear Buying Guide - HardwareZone.com.sg

been lurking here for a month now waiting for a news if there'll ever be a 14' gaming laptop with maxwell, will be buying a new laptop in 2 months..Hopefully Asus or Aorus releases with the release of new Maxwell gpu's this year..

 

That is very strange. All of them feature 700M GPUs, aka Kepler.

I know for a fact that G750JM have GTX860M.
There are also many models listed at various shops on the internet that have GTX 850M and a few with GTX 860M. But they are not G-series though.

 

it says the GTX 860M will be announced the 12th of march
with a score of P4800 (3dm11)..
they are reporting what we already know as far as i can see..
Source

 

Good find sasuke

So Clevo is reporting P4800 while MSI is reporting P5100 with GTX 860M. That makes sense since MSI runs the cards on slightly higher clocks than the rest. That means its roughly at GTX 770M like previously speculated.
Only 8 days until they are launched now so reviews are not very far away. Eager to see power consumption, temperatures and of course overclocking.

 

Guys do you think it is possible that a GTX 860 gets released on a native windows 7 laptop or are these days gone by and the only windows will be getting is 8/8.1.

 

i expect you will find only win 8.1 laptops that use 860M a part from the clevo lappies (you can buy win 7 with all of their models )

 

Guys do you think there will be any laptop manufacturers/re-sellers selling 860 SLI because I have only heard of SLI on x70 or x80 cards but not 60 except for the gtx 765 SLI being sold in AORUS 7 what do you think?

 

Ladies and gentlemen, the day have come.
The first ever look at GTX 860M.

Let me just say this before I post the GPU-z and the benchmarks: This card is literally over TWICE as fast as the first Kepler graphic card we got.
And it is indeed a 640 core Maxwell (GTX 750 Ti) like we speculated together earlier.


GPU-Z of GTX 860M.
(It does not read the core clocks correctly but you will notice that it have high voltage VRAM since they are running at a whopping 1254MHz something my GTX 770M can`t even do since I`m stuck with low voltage VRAM. Awesome!)



3DMark11 Performance - GTX 860M
(Notice the Graphic score...5157 for a low end Maxwell...OMG)


3DMark11 Performance - GTX 660M
(Notice the Graphic score of 2360. This is also a low end Kepler.)


3DMark11 Performance - GTX 770M
(This card is a mid end Kepler which is overclocked compared to the mid end from 600M series. Treat it as such. Again, compare graphic score. Yup thats right, low end Maxwell beat OC mid end Kepler...!)




Next up is 3DMark11 Extreme. I only have total score so not fully accurate but you should get a decent picture.

3DMark11 Extreme - GTX 860M


3DMark11 Extreme - GTX 660M
Look at how low it is compared to GTX 860M


3DMark11 Extreme - GTX 770M

 

Holy schmuckbuckets! Very impressive. Imagine these puppies in SLI (Aorus x7 refresh, come on baby!)

The X score is what I was mostly interested in. Not sure the X GPU score of the 860m, but still overall score is pretty much in line with a 770m, although it's not much higher than the current 765m @ ~ 1500 only ~ 11% improvement compared with P score improvement of about 30%. Then again, if TDP is really only about 40W then it is overly impressive, and just imagine a die shrink.

 

Yeah I`m extremely impressed as well. OVER twice as fast as low end Kepler which its meant to replace. They both should have the same TDP. Holy cow!

GTX 750 Ti is running clocks at 1090MHz and score around 5700 in graphic score. Since GTX 860M is scoring 5200 we are probably looking at maybe 900MHz here?
The important part is that GTX 750 Ti easily overclock to 1300MHz while running temps at around 70C. Could you imagine the extra performance you get from overclocking the GTX 860M from 900MHz > 1300MHz?

 

Cloud you did it again and made us all proud.It seems your posts are way better than the so called writers who post whatever they see on the internet and claim they are experts . By the way the 900 mhz how did we know about that the gpu-z shows GPU clock of 540 and with GPU boost 2.0 how much gain in clock or performance should we expect?