New details regarding upcoming GTX 780M

outdated? hell no! dude you will rock 3dmark11 with 12k for some while, no worries

 

CPU isn't as much of a requirement as GPU is. I'm just saying technologically it advances, whether it manages games or not and how well is a different topic. Not only that the XM CPU's are the absolute top end, $1000+ price range not typical of gaming laptops. A top end video card from 3.5 years ago was the GTX 285m, which could not handle BF3 at 1080p today at least not with anything more than 30fps on low.

 

haha cheers man, I was halfway joking about being outdated, that won't be the case until Maxwell comes out and makes Kepler look ancient

 

So long as I can run next-gen games at maxed out resolution and maxed out settings, I can't call my tech outdated And baby, I'm rocking Crysis 3 very high FXAA. Tell me it's outdated, yea?

I have to admit, i'm drooling at the thought of a P370SM though ...

 

How is that on your vram. I run maxed settings and reso too but only 1xSMAA and found vram usage maxed out once at 1975mb reported by gpuz! Typically I find it runs around 1700-1800mb in crysis 3.

At very high FXAA do you find any tearing due to vram shortage I am pretty sure you need over 2GB to run fluently at these settings. I can't wait till the next gen 3 or 4GB card comes out An affordable one anyways

Anyways sangemaru we have same aged machines and very similar hardware! Rock on!

 

Hexacore in a notebook? I highly doubt its going to happen due to thermal restrictions or even if its needed. Unless 4K gaming in notebooks becomes mainstream by that time, which I also highly doubt

Not entirely 2x performance, but yeah, it will be awesome. I will buy both 780M and 880M. Got money to burn so

Lynx Chipset (Haswell) will have 6 SATA 3 ports. Two 6Gbps SATA ports are listed as "muxed with PCIe" which will be the upcoming SATA Express. Which is the future, SATA 3 is old and outdated by the time Broadwell is here, and we will see SATA Express SSDs maybe even this year since the Haswell chipset supports it. We hit the SATA 3 limit a looooong time ago. SATA 3 should die already. Anyway, do you need any more than 2-3 SATA 3 ports?

The performance boost you get from going from 1600 to 2400MHz is neglible and hardly noticable. What will DDR4 be good for except IGP that use that RAM? I can understand it from a GPU standpoint, GDDR6 which will allow better memory bandwidth especially for 4K gaming, but memory used by the system, meh. Overrated. If DDR4 was actually needed we would have seen a launch a while ago. Few people actually *needs* DDR4 and can do fine with DDR3 so its not here.

4K screens will be nice for viewing movies, photo editing and such. 4K gaming on a notebook?I don`t know. Maybe in some very few games, but many will be too demanding for a notebook GPU with ridicilous low 100W limit. Look at GTX Titan for example. TDP of 250W. It can play some very few games with 4K resolution, and Broadwell mobile GPUs won`t be nearly as powerful.

Thanks. Basically a GTX 680MX then, just as I thought earlier

 

My guess is that the 880m actually will be as powerful as the Titan. The 680m sli is already almost on par with a stock Titan in 3Dmark 11, and it easily reaches the same benchmarks with a slight overclock (about 13k Graphics.)

 

All that drool will dry up fast once you see the temps. The cooling on the p370 is garbage.

 

Ditch the IGP and you can easily get a hexacore, I don't see why not with 14nm. Just like the current desktop hexacore's they ditch the IGP.

I don't see the point personally, but I guess from an enthusiast point of view why not? In any case, 880m is sure to be a similar performance improvement over Kepler 680m as 680m was over 580m.

SATA III limit is like 750MB/sec. I don't see any SSD that reaches that limit. 6 SATA 3 would be optimal in a notebook to offer flexibility especially for larger notebooks, and with mSATA gaining popularity. Imagine two 2.5" SATA port, two mSATA ports, Optical drive, and eSATA. And with TRIM supporting RAID now, dual mSATA 500GB SSD's using SATA III would be unfathomably fast. And whether or not they upgrade the spec by then I'd be fine with SATA III at minimum. It looks like they're (they as in SSD mfr's) concentrating on reducing cost and increasing capacity over performance now which is what they should have been doing all along imho.

You must not have used a system running at 2133MHz or 2400MHz. It's one of those things that you don't notice until after you've used it for a while and then go to a system with 1333 or 1600MHz RAM, and think "wow this thing is slow". I'm not saying it's like going from 5400RPM HDD to SATA III SSD, but it is noticeable and as CPU's get faster and faster, RAM will become a noticeable bottleneck.

Like I stated earlier, no really 4k screens, but 2560x1600 in a 17" would be awesome. Having more real estate to multitask is essential. As the pixel density increases, downscaling wouldn't look horrible, obviously native resolution is desired. Heck I'd settle for a 1920x1200 screen. After using my desktop on a 1920x1200 screen for a while, I miss those bottom 120 pixels, just makes your taskbar more useful, an can even double the height for quicklauch bar and make it more useable. Of course with the direction Microsoft is going, it may not much matter. If Microsoft continues forcing touch screen interfaces down our throats, I'll be moving to Linux and dual booting to Windows for only games anyhow.

 

The SATA 3 limit is at about 560mb/s. Current SSD's are already bottlenecked by the the interface. We need an upgrade. Hopefully it'll come next year. There will be two version. An 8gb/s and a 16gb/s so we'll be looking at up to 1500mb/s reads from future ssd's.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4612/two-new-sata-specs-sata-express-ssd

 

We "need" an upgrade? What the heck. What we "need" are 2TB SSD's that cost $150. Speed is not a concern at the moment.

 

Just flipped through the thread quickly.
Are we thinking that these first specs are just for starters, like the early 680m tests vs what actually came out as the final product?
And what is AMD going to come out with to counter?

 

AMD already said they're going to sit this year out more or less. 780m is still Kepler so I don't know why people would expect more than 15-20% improvement at best.

 

Yeah, with the overclock ability of the 680m, I am hoping to get through to 800m series. Or the 900m preferably. Broadwell should be out by that point as well.

They mentioned DDR4, and MXM 4.0, and GDDR6, are all those expected to be mainstream (or almost) when the new Nvidia architecture comes out?

 

not for the kepler refresh. they were rather talking about 2014 at the earliest for those techs

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You'll be waiting for another 8-10 years for that one. lol

 

yep, and no mxm 4.0 hopefully won't bear it's head for a few more years. 3.0b should be relevant through 2014 I would hope.

 

1600p laptop screen is not something id want let alone a 4k screen !

a decent 120hz TN, VA or even a non ghosted IPS 120hz would be a win at 1080p or 1200p max.

The thing about more screen 'real estate' is that we are talking 17.3" screen. So its mega pixel density which is not any more perceptible from a high pixel density at relative viewing distances. You lose 3 times the performance if not 4 !!! which takes your top end dual $500 each GPU back to the stone age for anything thats called a GAME. Anyone with less than the most ultra performing machine will be stuck at 1600p / 4k resolution running 15fps on low... gloating at all the pixels they CANT see VS somone running ultra at 1080p over 60fps and in some cases 120FPS

So, all thats needed is a port on a laptop to connect to a large 30" or even 50" 4K monitor / TV so the real estate of the screen is becomes more usable. And do you know what ? we already have DP and HDMi 1.4a that can manage those resolutions.

4K on a laptop screen is laughable. Its not just that you lose VAST amounts of performance and use all the watts all the time + fans on full but its that 99% of human beings cant perceive the individual pixel gaps vs a 17" screen with 1080p at proper seating distances.

finally on the back of all of that Windows is LEGENDARILY bad at DPI scaling ! the fonts and icons will be all over the place, you wont be able to read anything other than on 400-500% Zoom .. so your Zooming the image to see the text ? isnt that ironic

the max i want to see is 16:10 1200p on a 17" , ive seen a retina display and i didnt think it stood out over other 1080p IPS panels.


i miss 16:10

 

I agree 4k on a laptop is a bit absurd, but 16:9 has got to go. I personally would love a 2560x1600 on a 17". I understand about gaming too, but it would encourage massive improvements in GPU tech if it became more common. Although as I already stated I'd be fine with 1920x1200 IPS.

And considering we've gone from $500 256GB SSD's to $500 1TB SSD's (Crucial's new M500) in the course of less than 2 years, a $400-500 2TB SSD sometime in 2014 could be feasible.

 

Thanks for the info. Really hoping to squeeze 2015 out of this computer now and upgrade when everything is out and about.

Would Maxwell offer the GPU capability to run the 1600p screens? On a 17 I could see that being fine, but for those of us that like the 15.6 portable power houses, I don't see how that would offer improvements for the visual experience. I thought retina displays on laptops were mostly so that you could blow up pictures really big and not pixel out.

Hey what do you all think of the possibility that the 780m is simply a GTX 680mx with minor imporovements...
Looking at the speculation of improvement, with better heat management and a 100w TDP limit, that would put the 780m right where the 680mx already occupies. Still good, but nothing completely renovated for Kepler. Not that it needs it at this point.

Never mind, just read the first page of the thread...

 

bro, no offense, but you are aware of an edit function right?

 

It was a joke HT. Don't take it so seriously.

3bit and 4bit per cell nand will drive down prices significantly in the next 2-3 years.

 

Wow.. im planning to buy a new notebook with 675mx and an i7 and you guys are already making me feel outdated and obsolete

and now if i wait for maxwell and haswell, something else will make me wait. Technology is so damn fast. they should make stuff which provides some future proofing since we spend thousands of bucks just to get the thing outdated next year

 

You have three options:

A) Buy a notebook now with Ivy Bridge and 675MX
B) Wait until Computex (June 2013) and right after buy a notebook with Haswell+780M/770M.
C) Wait until H1 2014, buy Broadwell and Maxwell.

 

Yea right and after H1 2014 ill have further 3 options :laugh:
The point is i know i have the option to wait or buy. But will laptop that has gtx 780m cost similar to what a laptop with 680m costs at the moment? and i think i saw somewhere 770m has 192-bit memory rather then 256-bit

 

No Similar to what a laptop with 680m costs at the moment, But The same.

 

That's just notebookchecks stupid speculation. We don't know anything about the 770m yet. I'm pretty sure it'll be 680m rebadged and soled for a lower price.

 

too much hype on haswell and 780m.

some source showing haswell doing less than that of an ivy-bridge, high end may differ but maybe only 5%, not counting on it. plus they got serious usb 3.0 issues not worth the trouble for now. 680mx --> 780m, mac/apple already got that tech almost 4 months ago, not paying full price for something so old lol

 

I don't know if there's that much hype. We all know Haswell and Kepler refresh will be minor update to Ivy Bridge and first gen Kepler. I just hope Maxwell and Broadwell pan out the way they are sounding.

 

You mean the russian site? That was a BS test. An old architecture beat a new one? lol. They most likely got a ES sample with issues that is no longer in the final Haswell chip. Even Intel tweet out that it was not correct scores.
Haswell isn`t hyped up. It will deliver 10-15% better IPC performance than Ivy bridge. Its a new architecture. If you are going for a new CPU, THIS is the time to do it. Not 1 year from now with only a die shrink. This is the greatest jump we will see on a CPU, both IGP and CPU performance get a real boost.

Here is a newer test with a working Haswell ES apparantly. 10% better score from Haswell...
Haswell @ 2.6GHz


Ivy Bridge @ 2.6GHz

Nonsense. The chipset have a USB3.0 issue. They are already manufacturing the fixed revision as we speak. It will be out 1 month after launch. If you are too impatient, there will most likely be workarounds from the USB 3.0 issue. After all its just a sleep state problem. USB3.0 ports do work, but once they idle you can`t wake them up (=reboot). Software can fix that I`m pretty sure.

So old? Name me one notebook that have 680MX? Apple had the 680MX exclusive the entire time. Now the rest get to play with it under the 780M name. If 780M doesn`t excite you, you will have to wait 1 more year. I can understand both camps here, those who are satisfied with 680M and want to wait and the enthusiast that want newer hardware.

 

hope this make things clear ^^

 

Let's wait until reliable benchmarks are out instead of passing rumors off as fact?

 

2888 cuda cores, 384bit mem interface, 50-55% faster than a 680m? i somehow doubt that...

http://www.eng.mobilator.pl/laptop--clevo-p157sm-produkt-858.html

taken from this thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=9122487

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I call BS. Just marketing. If it's true, looks like I'm selling my r2 and buying an r3 though lol.

 

Thats too good to be true. Such a massive improvement in a single jump from 680m to 780m, that gotta be fake.

 

LOL thats even better than the GTX Titan (2688 cores). The 288 0 cores is the full GK110. Titan was called GTX 780 earlier before Nvidia announced the Titan name. For some reason mobilator thinks desktop is the same as mobile

 

No way that's a laptop card with 2880 cores.

 

And no way can it fit in a 100 TDP profile of MXM 3.0

Clearly however, we need MXM 4.0

 

that is better than titan

 

good that thats settled and we all agree on BS here

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Now we just need to prod MXM-SIG and Nvidia and get them to push forward MXM 4.0. A 150TDP wouldn't be too much, the 300W PSU that comes with P3xx series of Clevo's can take it. Not two of them but that's what converter boxes are for. Ideally I'd like a 200TDP just for a little future proofing.

 

lol, um....how exactly would u realize such TDPs cooling-wise? the resulting machines would be MASSIVE, to say the least! just look at a desktop 200W gpu cooler and tell me how u would cram that thing into a laptop form factor?

please dont start with liquid cooling now

 

Create the whole underside of the laptop out of copper and add thermal tape between lid and heatsink. Now the whole underside of the laptop is a big surface heatsink.

I don't know, I'm drunk not an engineer. I just want more powaaa!

 

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so, tomhardware had tested haswell CPU at 3.5ghz comparing them to 2700k, 3770k and 3970x at 3.5ghz, overall I'd not say its 10%, but if TSX is involved then yes it'd be a nice 10% boost.

such a shame on haswell =/

 

always good to have the source link handy

Core i7-4770K: Haswell's Performance, Previewed : Core i7-4770K Gets Previewed

id take that performance review with a grain of salt, since it explicitly states it to be an early cpu sample...

 

any news about GTX 7x0M Series ? the improve will be huge ? I dont think so.. it will be a rebadged series :
GT 740M = 645M
GT 750M = GTX 660M
GTX 760M = GTX 670MX
GTX 770M = GTX 680M
GTX 780M = GTX 680MX + cuda cores ?

 

I'd imagine a lineup like this:
760m = 675mx
770m = 680m
780m = 680mx

Hope they ditch that joke of a core on the 670mx or drop it back to being the 750m. I hate this memory bus cutting bs they're always doing.

 

unfortunately tomhardware is probably one of the most trusted site. since this is 4770k, even with ES CPU, you're looking at a very similar and accurate result. w/e people may say, this is starting to take shape to a bad year with re-badged GPUs and a CPU that isn't much of a bump with usb 3 issues during one of it's sleep state.

waiting for AMD to release their specs on 8970m or 8990m. if its good, I'll just grab their cards instead and upgrade my current ones.

 

its not about tomshardware being a reputable site, that was never the question. just that ES samples are known to run hotter, less stable and at the same clocks less performant than their OEM counterparts