New details regarding upcoming GTX 780M

I've read a leak that said the 8970m's going to be a 1536 core chip so basically if that's true we're looking at a 20% bump in performance clock for clock from AMD. The 780m will probably be a similar jump so stock vs stock they should be equal. Of course the 780m will overclock like a beast but that's another story.

If this ends up to be the case I'll give the 8970m a shoot as well.

Here are the specs: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphi...adeon_HD_8000M_Solar_Graphics_Processors.html

Hope it's legit.

 

You are forgetting that 780m will be alot more expensive.

Anyway looking at those specs there is a HUGE gap between 8870m and 8970m, shall we see 8950m this time?

 

Always the price argument from the amd side. lol Here's my take on it: A lot more expensive for a lot more overclock potential and a lot better driver support. Well worth it. AMD usually takes months to optimize for games. AMD's so called "support" is a bad joke at best. It took them over half a year to provide decent drivers for the 7970m. 7970m's in cf are still unstable especially if you try and raise the clocks. They should bump the price by 10-15% and put every last dime into the drivers.
I'd take the 780m any day if I knew it worked in my laptop but since 680m doesn't post in the bios I have no reason to think the 780m would either. The 7970m works fine so I'm assuming the 8970m would as well.

Anyway. If there will be an 8950m it'll probably be a rebadged 7970m. The 8970m is supposed to be a new chip. Codename: "Sun". It'll probably get 4gigs of ram. The guy who started the thread said a rep from Eurocom told him there will be a 8970m with 2 gb ram,obviously the 7970m rebadged and an 8990m with 4gb. Probably this new 1536 core chip the leak talks about.

 

AMD has good driver support with regular updates. Just their Enduro has left a bad taste in people's mouths for good reason. It seems it's been sorted out. Let's hope so. Although hope this is a lesson to laptop manufacturers (yes you Clevo) to offer a manual switch as well (kudos Alienware).

 

@BlackIdentity: what kinda machine do u have?

 

MSI gt780dxr

 

Maybe the rumors of the HD8970m with 1536 cores exist due to the HD7870 LE which is a cut down HD7950?

 

I think its very likely amd will over power nvidia this time around, IF 8970m is 20% over 7970m.

780m/680mx is around 15% in performance over 680m, dont even talk about overclock plz, with 122+ TDP good luck overclocking that if you dont overheat. on top of that AW system with dual cards, and next gen CPU will just run out of power with it's 330watt brick there are so many factor involved and looks like people only look at config cores etc, although this may work for clevo, msi and other gaming machine with single GPU and a smaller PSU.

theres no info on 8970m yet so if it's 100 TDP, it'll overclock nicely, which means it'll beat the crap out of nvidia, BUT nvidia does better and gives more performance in SLI than crossfire, so we'll never know

 

Aw man, I just got my 680m. After all the searching I did, I wasn't expecting new models this soon.
Does anyone here tried overclocking 680m?

 

Don't worry about it, the new cards won't be out until July at the earliest, so they're still several months away from release. The 680m is a great card, and it'll still be high end once the 780m releases.

 

If the 780m gets the 680mx's memory bandwidth it could end up being up to 30-35% faster than the 680m where ever anti aliasing is involved. AMD won't be overpowering anyone with their inefficient GCN arch.

I expect the two to trade blows stock for stock with the 780m beating out the 8970m by 20-30% overclock vs overclock.

The leak says the chips codename is "sun" from AMD's supposedly new arch called solar system. Obviously just a tweaked GCN.

Anyway. These are all just rumors. Why would they design a new chip for the mobile high end segment when they're not putting anything new into desktops other than the 7990 which doesn't have any new tech anyway?

 

lol aren't you being too optimistic? this years graphic isnt a new architecture, it was the intel CPU that got a new design. again, 780m beating 8970m under overclocking only works if you can overclock 780m LOL, with 122TDP you probably won't get much out of it, you can count on that. btw if you have forgotten how much 122TDP is, look at 3930k desktop CPU at 135watt TDP, gaming laptop heatsink won't be able to handle it unless nvidia lower that 122 to 100, just a pipe dream man.

 

Fanboys will obviously speculate in favor of their camp.

Both companies pump out products so similar that you should almost be more concerned about collusion and price fixing than whether one brand will be significantly better than the other. In particular, the expectation that both chips will perform similarly at stock but one will pull ahead by 30% after overclocking both is nonsense.

 

well, it was also a dream to fit 670 (desktop) into 100w TDP.. it happened. I don't think putting 680mx into 100w TDP is a dream. That being said, 780m is beating 8970m by 30% as a result of OC is not making a lot of sense to me.

 

30% would surely be a bit much comparing the 680m to the 7970m ull get about 15% more performance out of the former when both are OCed to the max. in numbers that would translate to a 9.3k vs. an 8k score in 3dmark11. sure, in raw clocks the 680m IS 30% "better" (50% vs. 20-25% max. OC), but that doesnt translate in a proportional manner to actual benchmark scores/fps.

i expect both (nextgen) cards to be pretty similar in performance, give or take 10%.

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just how the hell did you get 680m > 7970m for about 15%, more like the other way around but instead of 15% its 5%? maybe couple of games nvidia out places amd, what about the places where 7970m out places 680m? theres a review on notebookcheck for a reason, not 100% accurate but results are there, its like saying one benchmark test counts everything and anything else doesnt matter =/.

@maxheap, putting 680mx into 100watt heatsink may work, but overlocking it to an extend will not. also care to share that link 670 into laptop? im into modding laptop and wanna learn something new!

 

u should read my post more carefully mate im aware of the situation at stock clocks, but i was rather talking about max. OC. and in that scenario its just a fact that the 680m has way more headroom than the 7970m, but it just doesnt translate one on one / directly to bench scores and gaming fps. those 3dmark11 scores i quoted were just representative for the general performance u can expect at those extreme clocks.

also, maxheap was in all probability talking about the 680m(x) providing close to desktop 670 performance, especially when oced.

cheers

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lol People are forgetting I said (!!!)20(!!!)-30%. That all depends on the game. We all know most amd mobile gpu's can barely get a 10-12% overclocks and they don't gain much above that even with extra voltage. You need to be extremely lucky to get a 7970m that can do 1ghz on stock voltage.
The 680m on the other hand,based on what Mr.Fox told me,overclocks extremely well even on stock voltage. Up to 975(35%)/1050 works for him fine on stock. That notebookcheck review only shows that the 680m is lacking memory bandwidth btw. The 7970m is only beating it in games where they have msaa turned on.
The 780m is supposed to fix that. If it indeed gets the 2500mhz ram than that's a 38% increase in bandwidth. Hence my estimation of 30-35% WHERE EVER anti aliasing is involved which as we know is very memory intensive. It's simple math. Weather it translates to gaming performance depends on the drivers and the game it self.

Also. I don't know where you got 122W from uni but that's bs. The 680mx's tdp is meaningless. The 700 series is getting the matures 28nm process. GK114. Remember the jump in efficiency between the 400 and 500 series.
They'll be fitting it into 100W and your jaws will be dropping at the performance it puts out once people here get their hands on it.

Or at least that's what I'm hoping for. Obviously it's just speculation at this point. It's what this thread is about.


Edit: Here's nvidias gpu roadmap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYJ1-XQzHx4&feature=player_embedded

Their Volta arch is to bring 1 terabyte/s memory bandwidth.

 

wow, easy tiger talk about fierce belief in the almighty 780m lol

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Just my hopes. Seeing as how everyone thought that 680m wouldn't be anything special and than it turned out to be an overclocking monster I wouldn't expect anything less from it's successor.

 

^ and that, and if you're lucky you can overclock the core and memory by 100% right?

 

we all hope buddy, after all it is a win-win situation

 

don't care, just want the best really. if nvidia can pull off a miracle then good for them, better for me but highly doubt it, with this rebranded crap charging at 1200 dollars I loled

 

There's nothing miraculous about what I said. It's just math spiced with some arch and manufacturing process improvements. lol

And as I said. It's just speculation. You know? The thing the thread was made for.

 

I'm quite sure the 780m (*cough*680mx) will be 100wtdp.

Even if it isn't, it will still be compatable with our 100w systems.

 

Graphics driver 312.07 64 bit exposes third generation Kepler. GK208 is also coming. Brand new, god knows what that will bring to the table. We are probably not long away from a launch from Nvidia now :hi2:

NVIDIA_DEV.0FC4 = "NVIDIA D14P1-15"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FC5 = "NVIDIA D15M2-03"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FDA = "NVIDIA GK107-ES-A1"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FE3 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FE5 = "NVIDIA GeForce K340 USM"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FE6 = "NVIDIA NVS K1 USM"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FE7 = "NVIDIA Generic K1 USM"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FEF = "NVIDIA GRID K340"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FF0 = "NVIDIA NB1Q"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FF1 = "NVIDIA NVS 1000"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FF2 = "NVIDIA GRID K1"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FF5 = "NVIDIA Tesla K1 USM"
NVIDIA_DEV.0FF7 = "NVIDIA Quadro K1 USM"
NVIDIA_DEV.1001 = "NVIDIA D15U-60"
NVIDIA_DEV.1003 = "NVIDIA GK110 DT Bringup"
NVIDIA_DEV.1004 = "NVIDIA D15U-50"
NVIDIA_DEV.1182 = "NVIDIA GK104"
NVIDIA_DEV.1184 = "NVIDIA GK104 "
NVIDIA_DEV.118A = "NVIDIA GRID K520"
NVIDIA_DEV.118B = "NVIDIA GeForce K2 USM"
NVIDIA_DEV.118C = "NVIDIA NVS K2 USM"
NVIDIA_DEV.118D = "NVIDIA Generic K2 USM"
NVIDIA_DEV.1192 = "NVIDIA GeForce GK104"
NVIDIA_DEV.119F = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M"
NVIDIA_DEV.11D1 = "NVIDIA GK106-INT343"
NVIDIA_DEV.11D2 = "NVIDIA GK106-INT232"
NVIDIA_DEV.11D3 = "NVIDIA GK106-ES"
NVIDIA_DEV.11E2 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M"
NVIDIA_DEV.11E3 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760M"
NVIDIA_DEV.11FF = "NVIDIA NB1Q "
NVIDIA_DEV.11B0 = "NVIDIA Quadro K2 USM"
NVIDIA_DEV.11B1 = "NVIDIA Tesla K2 USM"
NVIDIA_DEV.11B6 = "NVIDIA N15E-Q1"
NVIDIA_DEV.11B7 = "NVIDIA N15E-Q3"
NVIDIA_DEV.11B8 = "NVIDIA N15E-Q5"
NVIDIA_DEV.11BB = "NVIDIA Quadro 4100"
NVIDIA_DEV.11C1 = "NVIDIA D14P2-30"
NVIDIA_DEV.11C2 = "NVIDIA GK106"
NVIDIA_DEV.1281 = "NVIDIA D15M2-05"
NVIDIA_DEV.1282 = "NVIDIA D15M2-20"
NVIDIA_DEV.1283 = "NVIDIA D15M2-10"
NVIDIA_DEV.1285 = "NVIDIA GK208-100"
NVIDIA_DEV.1290 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 730M "
NVIDIA_DEV.1291 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 735M"
NVIDIA_DEV.1293 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 730M "
NVIDIA_DEV.1294 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M "
NVIDIA_DEV.12A0 = "NVIDIA GK208"
NVIDIA_DEV.12AD = "NVIDIA GK208-ES"
NVIDIA_DEV.12AE = "NVIDIA GK208-CS1-C"
NVIDIA_DEV.12AF = "NVIDIA GK208-INT"
NVIDIA_DEV.12B0 = "NVIDIA GK208-CS-Q"
NVIDIA_DEV.12B1 = "NVIDIA GK208 INT"

 

Seeing as there's now a 765m I'd say this is the next lineup:
-780m 680mx
-770m 680m
-765m 675mx
-760m 670mx

 

as i was expecting, so i will wait for notebooks with GTX 760m..in my country they dont import good lappies, so the best i can expect is the GTX 760M

 

It's pricey and warranty support gets a little inconvenient this way, but you could always order internationally. Find a reseller that ships worldwide (there tons of them) and order through them. If you can afford it, it's a decent way of getting high end laptops. I've even heard about people ordering AWs directly from Dell using a mailing address they set up with UPS. Dell sends the computer to the address and UPS forwards it to the international buyer.

 

Wonder when these cards will drop.

 

June most likely

I don't think 765m is 675mx because the new 13" Clevo is showing as having a 765m which would be quite impressive to have a 100W TDP GPU in a 13" notebook.

It's more likely:

780m = 680mx
770m = 675mx
765m = 660m with increased shaders and clocks
760m = 660m

Although that would leave no 192-bit gpu.

So maybe 770m = 670mx and there will be a 775m = 680m. I don't know too confusing.

I'd rather just see it as:
780m = 680mx
770m = 675mx
760m = 670mx
750m = 660m
740m = 650m
735m = 640m
730m = 630m

Of course all with bumped clocks. Maybe nVidia will surprise us but I doubt it.

 

any idea when the 780 series will drop?

 

See above... June most likely.

 

if 670mx with increased number of shaders is getting inside a 13" lappy, I am buying it

 

That would leave a huge gap between the 770m and 780m, though I suppose they could rebrand the 680m as a 775m like they did with the 675m. That might end up cannibalizing the 780m's sales though, especially if the 780m is a $400-500 upgrade from the 775m, like the 680m is over the 675m.

 

Got to love this speculations even if there is no real information yet.

 

Exactly. There's was a big gap between 675m and 680m to start. 675mx improved on that a bit. So now the top end will just shift up.

 

Or maybe the Clevo guys made a typo.

The 675mx is far from a 100W's and it runs extremely cool at stock so it could fit especially if they lower it's voltage.
Of course Clevo won't have the guts to do it but at least it sounds nice. lol

 

that's forbidden by the law, we dont have the right to export our local currency I would love to get a clevo (even with the change rate it will be cheaper than buying a G75 FHD+3610QM+16G RAM+GTX 670 MX (only) at 3500 bucks :/ (~2200$)) BUT i cant. Only buisness-men and people of that "type" can export our currency
so we are stuck waiting for TOSHIBA or DELL or LENOVO to release a mid range rig using the GTX 760M to buy it, else you can't get a better GPU.

 

maybe a friend up for a trip to US? you can order in advance for wherever he will be staying. I remember a lot of people buying their lappies this way and happily ever after

 

I so very much want this new 780M. I have developed a craving for power which just won't go away! I haven't even had this laptop for a year and I'm already desperate to replace it even though it's a very nice laptop wah

 

Funny thing the GTX 770M is not listed. It does a jump from 765M to 780M. Nvidia with their confusing naming

 

I'm pretty sure they've enlisted several chimps doing all the name-resolutions for them, wait make that EXTREMELY sure

 

lol Yeah. They're quite annoying. The current lineup is a mess with all these M's and MX's. Hope they sort it with the 700 series. It's a joke how they were planning to use the old overheating junk fermi cards for the 600 series and only give us the 675mx as the 680m.(remember the first 680m scores which were only around 4000pgpu on 3d11?)

Good thing AMD sprung in with their 100W 7970m and forced them to put the 670's gpu on the 680m.

 

I'm pulling my hair out here! I just destroyed my desktop PSU, now I'm just waiting for the next-gen gpus, so I can purchase a laptop as a replacement. But with no solid date on release, its becoming a nail biter.

Just to reconfirm on the release dates. The speculation for the 8970m is May? and the 780m is June?

 

Good point, which shows why competition is for the good of consumer. If it wasn't for 7970m, we would have got 675mx as 680m, and only nowadays we would have started to see 680m-like performance.

 

hahaha, I`m thinking some Nvidia engineer with a piece of paper with different names written on it and a monkey in a cage. The engineer goes up to the monkey hands him a pencil and says "whooos a good boy. what will be the name of our next graphic card. come on sweety, you can do it". Whatever name the monkey picks is there next name lol

Absolutely true. I was actually exited about the 4000 score and was like "No way, that score is photoshopped when I saw the 7970M score for the first time".

My personal guess will be that no laptops with 8970M will ever be made with Ivy Bridge. That is why we will have to wait until June at Computex before Haswell is released. After that we will see a ton of new notebooks with the newest graphic cards from both camps and Intel`s Haswell chip.

Maybe AMD announce their 8970M in May, but it won`t be available for purchase until June. The people who plan to upgrade their 7970M notebook however can maybe get hands on the new GPU before OEMs are out with the notebooks with it. Personally I`m buying a complete new notebook just for the feeling and smell of a new untouched notebook lol

So sorry bud, you have 2-3 more months to wait lol.

 

John had a higher vantage score with his overclocked 680M. But I assume this is at stock clocks, which is excellent!

 

Hmm, I heard the clevo p170sm, was suppose to be released with the new haswell intel CPUs next month. Along with that, there will be a high end GPU upgrade the following month, May. According to other rumors as well, the 8970m will be available for purchase during May.

So can we expect to see the next clevo model with the haswell and 8970m by May?

 

Intel is announcing Haswell at Computex in June so no I highly doubt it. The new gpu's will probably announced there as well.