New details regarding upcoming GTX 780M

not to mention john overclock his cpu like mad, bunch of rebranded crap, only time will tell

 

Not may, it'll be some time

 

Agreed, Haswell has a problem with the existing chipset that will require a redesign / revision. Rumoured the desktop motherboard manufacturers will release in June though. Looking at fall/winter for laptops.

 

Screw the minor USB3.0 issues. I`m buying mine at launch :thumbsup:

You have to move the comma two times to match mine

 

We wants it, precious. (But we just bought two 680s. Take a hike, precious!)

 

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770M and 780M Spotted in Monster Gaming Notebooks | VideoCardz.com

scroll to where it says 780m clock would be 900mhz, too good to be true? thats something a desktop card would have, but that would be amazing, not some re branded crap.

 

well, considering that almost all 680M cards can do 900 Mhz this isnt completely out of the possible range

 

so 1100 Mhz OC? Where are the ES samples when we need one.

 

Meh. Who cares about core clock. They need to increase the memory. We can overclock the core as much as we want as long as the card has strong VRM's.

That might actually be the memory clock in which case the 780m is a fail. Nvidia always disappoints with their refresh cards.....

 

totalmente de acuerdo en eso = totally agree on that.

 

GTX 780M will most likely have the same high voltage memory as GTX 680MX, which allows higher memory clocks. The GDDR5 of GTX 680MX is 1250MHz compared to GTX 680M which is 900MHz.
People have problems overclocking their 680M memory to that clock because its low voltage. So not only will it most likely be clocked 40% higher than 680M at stock but since its high voltage it may allow higher clocks than that too for those who overclock

900MHz @ 1536 Cuda cores
vs
720MHz @ 1344 Cuda cores

will also be a pretty big difference. But I highly doubt it since the scores in the first post shows around 20% better performance.

 

If they actually upped the core to 900mhz and given it normal voltage memory clocked at 1250mhz than it would be a 120-125W card. No way that's happening without liquid cooling. The specs that were posted earlier in this thread which were: 1536 cores at 711mhz and the 1250mhz vram is the most viable. Overclocked with an unlocked vbios that's a desktop 680.
Even with stock vs stock the 680mx gets 28% higher fps in Hitman for example so my earlier prediction of 30-35% extra isn't that far fetched after all. We just need good drivers to mine out the extra performance.

Let's hope for the best and prepare for the worst which is a simple core unlock to 1536 shaders with the same slow crap ram. In that case the difference will be miniscule.

Personally I'd be more than happy with this: 1344 cores at 720-750 and the 1250mhz ram. That way we could actually get the desktop 670's performance with an overclock which is still pretty awesome in my book. The current 680m runs into bandwidth limitations everywhere just like the desktop 660ti.

 

Oh, I wasn`t aware that NotebookCheck had game benchmarks from GTX 680MX (780M)
Yeah you`re right, it is indeed a lot faster than GTX 680M. This GPU gotta be pretty close to GTX 670 I think.



GTX 680MX +28%


GTX 680MX +20%


GTX 680MX +29%


GTX 680MX 36%


GTX 680MX +35%

 

If that is indeed the GTX 780M, I will feel okay about buying this year. If it doesn't have the 680MX RAM, I may try to last until Maxwell.

 

Why not just get an 8970m to last you till Maxwell? That's my plan and than an m18x with two 880m's next year.

 

Nice comparisons cloud. That 38% extra bandwidth is doing wonders for the 680mx.

 

I thought the 780m was going to be 700MHz only?

 

Two things. I really want a brand new laptop, and I really want to get back to Nvidia cards.

In a year I'll just sell the (probably going to be) Clevo P177SM I buy this Summer, then buy another new laptop built around the 880M.

 

So this is a possibility for 2014? I was just about to pull the trigger on the NP9370 but if Broadwell/Maxwell and new gpus will hit sometime mid or late 2014, I may have to make the 7805u last a little longer.

 

Nvidia's Maxwell is scheduled for release sometime in 2014.

 

Well, I've waited this long to upgrade I guess I can wait a while longer. I just once want to be an early adopter

 

I'm almost jealous of you man @.@. The jump from 9800M GTS (which I had in a gateway machine) to aa 780M or 880M would be incredible @.@

 

That is the one thing I am looking forward to when I consider upgrading. My gaming needs were pretty minimal in the past, but I want to get more heavily involved plus I am looking at video presentations/photo and video editing for my business.

 

i think maxwell will come in Mid Q4 to lte Q4 2014 because it will use 20nm right? so maxwell long way to go

 

What makes you say that? Rumors have been Q2/Q3 2014.

Volta in 2016 will be interesting as it will put the vRAM right on the chip, but that's a long ways out.

 

That was going to be my next question as aren't laptops usually announced later than the desktop counterparts? If I had purchased the laptop I wanted (Sager NP9370) when if first came out I could see upgrading but at this later date, I might just wait especially if the architecture changes as expected.

*Edit*

Thanks for the info HTWingNut

 

Don't buy a p370 ! The cooling is worthless. The heatsink don't align correctly resulting in high temps on the slave gpu. Not kidding. You can get up to 90c. The m18x is the only proper sli notebook out there.

 

I hear that 650m sli lenovo is pretty boss, too

AW better watch out!

 

Well you're wrong. On what are you basing this anyway? Maxwell desktops should come around the end of 2014/Q1 or the beginning of 2014/Q2 and mobiles would come around the beginning of Q3 as they always do.

The 680 released on March 22 and the 680m released in June. Both are on 28nm. Explain why they're going to make us wait till 2014/Q4 for Maxwell!

Yeah. lol

650m sli. The destroyer of the high end laptop market.

 

I still don't get the idea of 650m sli... why not get a bloody np9150 that is twice as powerful (given you put 680m / 7970m), yet similar dimensions? and forgot to mention, non-sli, single card, no stuttering, driver nightmare...

 

Um, the Y500 only costs $1,000 USD...

It clearly isn't for people who can afford a GTX 680M.

 

1376 dollars with 7970m that is *twice* the performance (graphics processing wise) + fully upgrade able. Certainly much more valuable than what y500 can ever provide...

 

Still $400 more than a person's typical $1000 budget.

 

I give it an entire year from June before we get Mobile Maxwell from Nvidia. No way I could wait that long before buying a new notebook.

GTX 880M in June 2014 @ Computex.

 

I usually tell those people to have some more patience and save up that extra few hundred.

 

Personally I would still go with a 660m or 670mx. You can get a stock Sager NP9130 for not much more than $1000 with GTX 670MX and i7 Quad. Better bargain than SLI 650m IMHO. Although the Y500 does look pretty slick if that's important to you.

 

plus the sager got the optimus working and no dual gpu driver problems...
in my stupid country they brought the y500 SINGLE GPU and selling it 1000$, I keep asking about the y580, no one is importing it, cause simply they want "new" models

 

I can understand SLI systems with high end cards (full-on enthusiast), but pls, don't make a SLI setup just for the sake of getting a SLI setup with mid level cards. Save yourself the headache.

 

I agree, considering you can get same or better performance in a single chip (i.e. 670mx) at lower TDP and power consumption compared with an SLI setup like the 650m in the Y500.

 

You all seem to be missing the fact that Y500 is half a kilo lighter, 20% slimmer at it's thickest point and generally cheaper than the clevo counterpart. (The MSI is thicker, heavier and don't get me started on that 80's glossy knight rider design)
It is not meant for the avid gamer who's looking for a top performance laptop. It's just a lighter option which offers relatively good performance at the right budget.
I agree that from a plain performance point of view I would always go for the 9150 with 7970m or even 9130 with 670mx but it comes at a cost and additional bulk.

 

and usually those people already stretched their budget from 800 to 1000 in most cases ive read about. So it can be asking for a 50% increase.

 

this is true.
also yes crossfire has some problems although amd are addressing this, but sli fares better in dual gpu. Also the swap caddie is a novel idea and potentially becomes a point of future upgrade ability?

as an aside nobody can argue that more manufactures making gaming laptops is a bad thing?? with all the tablet nonsense at the moment and flagging desktop sales it would be easy for all manufacturers to concentrate on silly touch screen windows 8 tablets or ios / andriod devices which are fairly poor for productivity and proper gaming or modding, locking you into their pay to use business model.

so I for one solute Lenvo for their odd ball gaming laptop

 

I actually agree on the point of the novelty, but the practical measure of this is non existant. They could have designed for 670mx in there and got a winner on their hands, competing with asus on the 1k price bracket, being that a much cooler card than the 100w that are equipping true gaming notebooks, they could have kept the size as well.

Also now back on topic, are we that set in stone that the 680mx is the 780m? I was hopping for rainbows and unicorns

 

There are plenty of machines at a similar pricepoint to the Y500 with single GT 650m and 1366x768 screen. Compared with the SLI version Y500, the NP9130 with 670mx weighs the same and is only slightly thicker than the Y500 and comes with a quality 1080p screen and an 8 cell battery, with a 670mx for about same cost as the Y500 SLI.

 

So is there any new information on the 780m outside of the couple of crazy foreign sites that have leaked the haswell systems with 780m's listed as the GPU?

(Wingnut, I'm gonna get to 5 posts so I can talk to you a little more, I'm still strongly considering that 9570 since the hinge on my D900F is about done for.)

 

I still think the 780m is just going to be a rebranded 680m with higher clocks. 680m doesn't run that hot and definitely has room for some factory overclocking.
We might see the 680mx when the 780mx comes out around November which will simply be a 680mx with lower clocks to lower the TDP.
My 2c

 

Source: Anandtech - Nvidia's GeForce 700M Family: Full Details and Specs.

Apparently, the new parts are mid range parts replaced and should come in time with the Haswell OEM refreshes.

Otherwise, 780M still seemed far, the article hasn't covered conclusive specs on anything like a 780M it seemed.

 

No info on 760m or 765m yet either.

 

Guess ill stick another year with my GE60... that 660m is still pretty darn good right now...

 

yeah, 680m does plenty job, no need to change if you have already a 680m