Next gen Laptop GPU timeline

With the turing gaming gpu line imminently being released, when do you reckon the laptop line will be released? There was some talk of the 1160 going into the Lenovo Legion machines end of year.

I was looking to get myself the razer blade or gigabyte aero with 1070. But from the looks of it the new line will be a huge improvement.

 

I think the "wait and see" approach is the only non-speculative option you have. All that currently exists are rumors.

Charles

 

When they're ready.

 

I'm by no means an expert, but it always seems like technology takes quite some time to be implemented in a mobile factor. The primary market is desktops, for sure. And after release, stock (of desktop GPUs) can be quite short for months and I imagine this will be compounded by the fact that we haven't seen new GPUs in ages. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see good Turing laptops well into next year, even if they launch the desktop counterparts in October.

There's always the factor of cooling to consider as well. It always seems like the first generation of laptops in a generation have relatively poor cooling. And that is saying something, when most laptops have poor cooling to begin with. Unless you're going to get a 10 pound behemoth of course.

Anywho the general advice is always:
If you need something, upgrade now... if you can wait, wait. Speculation never gets us anywhere. Just my 2c.

 

I'm predicting

Nvidia RTX 2080
3072 CUDA cores @ ~2GHz (~12 TFLOPS)
8GB 256-bit 14Gbps GDDR6 (448 GB/s)

 

Hopefully they continue with the top mobile xx80 having a 180/200W TDP as with the 980/1080.

 

To me, "Next gen laptop GPUs" are those that will handle PS5 ports. There aren't any of those coming out this year. From my experience, people who buy flagship gaming laptops late in a console generation are the same people who later complain about how the gaming laptop that cost them a big amount of money and only lasted them 2-3 years.

 

What concerns me is that we'll see more notebook announcements like the 2018 Macbook Pro or Xps15 with 8950HK. The OEMs satisfy shareholders by delivering products with the latest bells and whistles. Shareholders don't care if the products are half-baked and unable to actually make use of the touted components. They have their sale and their profits.

Customers who understand the relationship between hardware and performance are becoming a smaller fraction of the base. We will find it harder to find pre-built options that justify the costs.

On my Google feed, saw an article about eGPUs. Wouldn't surprise me that the 2080 will run so hot that it will require an external enclosure. Easier cop-out for the OEMs when they don't have to perform extensive re-engineering to make thermals work.

 

You don't think the current generation of high-end laptops with 8th-gen Intel processors and GTX 1080s will be able to handle PS5 ports? -even with the ability to scale down graphics settings and/or resolution?

What about if we take 4k off the table since many laptops ship with 1920 x 1080 resolution displays?

 

I'm thinking it will be sooner now that their stock took a hit and mining has died off a little.

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According to this leak, the 2080 will have a TDP of 180-210 watts. The 2070, 150-180 watts, and the 2080Ti 225-250 watts. Not too much above the 1080. Might not be that far fetched for current designs to accommodate.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-rtx-2080-specs-leak/

 

I'm on the verge of cancelling my Precision 7530 order, and getting a Chromebook, and waiting out for next year...

 

With how far behind AMD is on GPU performance, especially once Monday rolls around, I don't think a GTX 1080 will have trouble handling PS5 ports at 1080p unless real-time ray tracing is involved. And current mainstream Intel 6C/12T and upcoming 8C CPUs should satisfy next-gen CPU requirements nicely given their slower Zen cores. You have to consider Sony and Microsoft are waiting for 7nm to fit today's midrange hardware inside a console power budget, and will be targeting 4K resolution and 30/60 FPS. These days, consoles launch with at best a performance profile that had been attainable for several years prior in the PC space. The days of consoles debuting with bleeding edge hardware are long gone.

 

It's not that simple. Monster Hunter World runs at ~45fps on a PS4 Pro and ~50fps on a X1X. That's with 8 very weak Jaguar cores. And yet the PC port is pegging fast 4C/8T CPUs at very high usage, and it's hard to get far above 60fps without turning settings down. The quality of ports is always going to be an issue. So next gen consoles with Zen cores makes me very worried. If a PC port is poorly done, or even just not ideal, it's going to be much harder to brute force good frame rates.

 

Here’s some solid intel on what we could expect in CY19 (at least from one reseller):

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...coffee-lake-cpus.804068/page-15#post-10782391

 

There are always unoptimized edge cases, and Japanese devs are notorious for that.

 

You cannot just compare console specs to a PC and call it a day. You have to remember, these machines have console optimization on their side, and the X1X has the advantage of being based on a somewhat refined Jaguar architecture (if they had put it on Zen it would actually have been pretty decent). The PS4 even has a ARM Microprocessor for the OS. IMO quality of ports will get better of they're based on Zen, because then its based on a somewhat relevant architecture.

 

Ah, you took screenshot of this post before it was deleted.

 

That was my entire point. And when they are finally equipped with a modern high end x86 architecture like Zen, the load on PC CPUs will go up enormously.

"Refined" Jaguar is still ass (it only included some virtualisation speed ups for the Xbox hypervisor), and the PS4 ARM CPU did next to nothing (the plans they had for it were scrapped because it wasn't capable enough).

I doubt that. Consoles will still have specialised SDKs, and still be the primary target platform. Jaguar being a conventional x86 architecture has not changed the fact that there are still ports that perform terribly on faster PC cores. If anything, consoles being Zen based will mean it'll be impossible to brute force bad ports like we have in the past.

 

I let this stew in the back of my brain for a bit and while I was initially going to go along with it as a possibility I think I'd pass on any plans to use the 1080 for PS5 ports the whole way through. What I'd look forward to for my own laptop for 1080p is a 2nd gen RTX ...though not necessarily the flagship. I'd like to pair it with an 8-core CPU [...and would consider a 10 core if one is offered] and 32GB RAM. With SteamOS ...hopefully supported by the manufacturer by then [2020-2021].

 

Okay, fair enough- but there are two very important qualifying statements to take into consideration here.
1. "...the whole way through." That's a very big difference from handling PS5 ports for the first year or two after release. "The whole way through" is like till 2026, and I don't think anyone would expect the GTX 1080 to last till 2026, even with lower resolution and decreased graphical settings.
2. "What I'd look forward to... Is 2nd gen RTX"... Okay, now we're talking about very far down the line as far as notebook graphics cards are concerned. The first gen RTX cards won't even be in notebooks till like early 2019 ish.

As far as SteamOS and 8/10 core CPUs, eh... That'll happen. Not too worried about it.

 

It's not as if you bought a 2-year-old flagship mobile GPU expecting it to last the entirety of a console generation that's 2 years away. Otherwise you'd still be using your 5870M right now and into 2020.

On the other hand, mobile GPUs have made huge strides since the 5870M, but the pace of performance advancement is slowing down if the 20 Series is any indication.

 

I bought my 980m laptop as I thought it would survive the PS4 gen. Just like with that, I'd be looking to buy what comes out after the console launches to last the PS5 gen ...most likely. Really need console specs to approximate what's needed.

 

A few manufacturers just dropped new laptops. Think that means Turing laptops are coming next year at the earliest?

Asus GX531, Asus, FX505/705, Asus GL704 (only available in Oct)
MSI P65 (only available in Oct)
Lenovo Y530
HP Omen 17T

 

Just my educated guess, there's absolutely nothing to back up my words.

AMD 7nm+:

- Vega launches Q2 2019.

- Zen 2 launches in Q2 2019.

- Zen 3 launches in Q2 2020

NVIDIA 7nm:

- Shown at CES 2019, flagship cards launch late 2019.

Sony PS5:

- Announced at CES 2019, Winter 2019 release date.

If this works out to be true then I'll get my GTX 3060/3070 GPU upgrade by Spring 2020 alongside an Zen 3 CPU upgrade in Summer 2020.

 

Yeah - I guess my new worry is that the RTX 2080 may be a short lived stepping stone. I kinda wished I had but the bullet 2 years ago and picked up a 1080 driven device - it would make sitting the 2080 gen out an easier proposition!

 

This article should shed some more light:

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-turing-mobility-rtx-2080-mobile-gpu/

After reading this article and dealing with 2 stripped screws on my Razer (They wont support it since they said I was at fault), I am returning that laptop and picking up something cheaper to use until the new laptops come out with better GPU's. Even if its early 2019 you can get a used laptop with a 1060/1070 now for a good price.

 

IMO, I think for any1 who needs a laptop now, just buy it, no point waiting. the 20xx series of cards is likely to be a big dissapointment. Classical performance isn't going to be a big leap,the cards draw more power/will likely run hotter because of the extra cores.

And, even if you value ray tracing highly, performance is gonna be dismal for 20xx series. (they're aiming for 1080 60fps with ray tracing for battlefield 5 on a 2080TI!! the same card runs 4k 60+fps without ray tracing) So I've decided to get a 10 series com on discount and then eventually get a 30xx series com

 

I don't see the point in any mobile GPU's anymore tbh, they're kind of a gimmick to me, you pay 2-3x a desktop for a overall worse experience (discounting the absurd mobility), and a M6100 is all I need for games
Although, I see why people like desktop gpus in a laptop size form factor, the performance is insane

 

I don't disagree with your point about the comparative value of gaming on a laptop versus a desktop but value is not always the key factor in making a choice. I travel a great deal and for me this is the point in having the best mobile GPU in something I can carry on the plane. It was worth every penny so far and I'll keep right on paying and enjoying every minute of gaming where I want to game, when I want to game, how I want to game. My own TBH would be that I'm not finding gaming at 1440P and 80 frames on up to the 120hz max refresh with most or all options maxed all that awful. Gaming on a laptop used to be expensive and a poor second choice to be used at a last resort with old games where it might not be too terrible. Nowadays you can have a pretty darn good gaming experience, better than the majority of desktops out there, if you're willing to drop the ching.

 

Like I was trying to say, there is a market for gaming laptops, I'm just not in it, and likely won't ever be.
I doubt you would or could have a better time on a laptop gaming than a SFF desktop, which again, is cheaper.
And again, I do agree with your mention of portability and performance, and how far laptops have gone from their ancient behomeths of past, and like I said before, carrying something that is only 10-15% less than a desktop in that form factor is astonishing compared to even a generation or two ago

 

No question, If I could point a shrink raygun at a full tower and put it in my carry-on the laptop would become a forgotten gizmo from days gone by in short order.

 

No one asked you to be part the gaming laptop family, but it’s nice to have a option for mobility. Try lugging your desktop to work and school everyday and tell me how that works out for you
The question was when next gen 20xx series GPU’s for laptops are coming out not the benifets of desktops over laptops.
I personally think will see high end laptop GPU’s early 2019, we have waited long enough we need new laptop GPU’s!

 

The gaming notebook market is huge, it's not going anywhere. Especially as a lot people carry a laptop around with them anyway, and would probably like to just have one machine. I don't have room for or really want a full fledged desktop, but I can stuff an egpu next to my lazy boy.. which sounds enticing.

 

Of course! Sorry, I didn't mean to inflammatory, I just wanted to get my personal opinion out there, which is that a new, modern gaming laptop, in my honest opinion, a bad experience to use on the go for actual gaming. Or course, this has just been my experience, and likely most people have had it better than me. What kind of insane person would I be if I carried my 30 pound tower to school everyday! I was suggesting more of the SFF desktops, but then you could have gotten a laptop at that point, which is why I have one. All in all, I am not really excited for this new generation of GPUs as they likely aren't backwards compatible, and will likely not be much of a stepup from Pascal, but one can hope

 

No need to be sorry, your not wrong about desktops offering better performance for less money.
I just hope the wait is worth it for new GPU’s.

 

Again, I've no complaints about gaming at 1440P with everything maxed out, gsync, and getting 80 or better frames in every game I play, often they're capped by the 120 Hz refresh. Things are smooth as butter, look great, with a pair of headphones you've got a pretty darn good gaming experience that is easily portable. Things are vastly different than they were even a couple laptops ago; I think you may not be aware just how good gaming laptops have become on the high end if you can afford the entry fee. Certainly not to tarted up desktop performance but nothing to sneeze at. And Yeah, I dropped some serious ching compared to the ordinary Costco laptop but I've got all the coffee tables a man needs in this life and I find it worth the spend.

 

I feel kinda sad that there wont be (by recent rumors) RTX20xx series for laptops :/

 

The TDP of the 2070 seems to be about the same as the 1080. We might see some 2070 notebooks I would imagine...

It seems quite possibly that stuffing a 2080Ti into an eGPU might be the best way to get ray tracing on a notebook though.

 

I believe we will see some monstrous gaming laptops with 2080's (e.g. the Titans), but I also believe we may have seen the last of SLI (or equivalent dual-gpu tech) laptops. I can't see how they can bridge the gap in required power draw for a pair of 2080's and a decent CPU.

I hope to be proven wrong!

 

I dunno, the estimated TDP on the 2080 is pretty high.. It exceeds the 1080 by a decent margin it seems... we'll see I suppose! I'm sure if it can be done we will see it happen.

 

Of course there will be. The RTX 2080 Max-Q was already leaked.

The days of us getting fully closed full bore desktop cards like Pascal are probably over, but there's no way Nvidia will leave hundreds of millions on the table.

 

Is ray tracing the next big thing?
I really don’t see it. I can’t see what the big deal is about improved reflections but maybe I’m just unimpressed, but that’s just me.

 

It's more than that, it's lighting, the whole nine yards. We've been able to fake these things well enough though. It'll take some years before it's commonplace.

 

I hope not. Though that has been my biggest fear since max-Q was first accounced. With Pascal, we finally, finally got desktop GPUs in notebooks. What a joke it'll be if nvidia gives us that for only a single generation.

Wouldn't surprise me though.

 

Except it's not the whole nine yards. Current RTX is hybrid raster-RT rendering. It'll be a long, long time before hardware catches up to the point where everything can be ray traced at the resolutions and frame rates gamers demand.

 

I'm just saying it's not just reflections.. well.. all ray tracing is just light reflecting off of and being manipulated by objects.. Again just reflecting and diffusing. It can increase realism above and beyond the tricks implemented today.. it's just going to take a while to get there without making a lot of sacrifices and optimization decisions..

I applaud nvidia for taking the first step even if it's of limited practicality right now.. the first step is always the hardest.

 

Let the speculations begin...

Since there was a rumor that the mobile GPUs will be announced at CE2019, let us speculate how the lowend and midrange GPU's would look like in terms of basic hardware configurations. I asked the magic ball and it gave me following information based on existing data and guesswork:

TU102 (RTX 2080Ti) has 6 GPCs with each having 6 SM Units
TU104 (RTX 2080) has 6 GPCs with each having 4 SM Units
TU106 (RTX 2070) has 3 GPCs with each having 6 SM Units

Which can result in:
TU107 (GTX 2060) has 2 GPCs with each having 6 SM Units
TU108 (GTX 2050) has 2 GPCs with each having 4 SM Units

Each SM having 128 cores makes a MAXIMUM of:
TU102 (RTX 2080Ti) = 6x6x128 = 4608 cores
TU104 (RTX 2080) = 6x4x128 = 3072 cores
TU106 (RTX 2070) = 3x6x128 = 2304 cores
TU107 (GTX 2060) = 2x6x128 = 1536 cores
TU108 (GTX 2050) = 2x4x128 = 1024 cores

There is also a chance, that the GTX 2050 is still only 1x6x128 = 768 cores. However, as shader cores are increased throughout the whole series it will probably apply to the midrange series as well, therefore 2x4x128 make more sense. Of course the GTX 2050 Ti would have the maximum number of cores (1024 cores) and the normal GTX 2050 would have slightly less cores (896 cores). It would be a bummer if they gave the normal GTX 2050 only 768 cores, and it is also unlikely since the GTX 2050 Ti (1024 cores) would be 33% faster.

Then the lowend series:
There could be the TU109 (GT 2030), which might be 1x4x128 (maximum 512 cores) or 1x6x128 (maximum 768 cores). To be honest, I don't think they make the GT 2030 as strong as the GTX 1050 (640 cores), but slightly slower. Which can be achieved with 1x4x128 = 512 cores. This GT 2030 (512 cores) would be the exact half of the GTX 2050 Ti (1024 cores), which would be the same as in current generation, where the GT 1030 (384 cores) is the exact half of the GTX 1050 Ti (768 cores).

So, what do you think?

 

I think you copy-pasted this from some article without citing the original source.