No more overclocking on Nvidia mobile GPUs

prema is back from his travels first post from him:

time to bring out the big guns, people

 

Cavalry has arrived!

 

Can't see the pictures

 

fixed theyre just smileys...

 

Wahooo!!! Charge!!!!!!!!

 

In the meanwhile, people need to stop downloading these garbage "clock blocked" turd drivers. If people keep downloading it (I'm sure they count the number of downloads) NVIDIA will get the impression too many people are OK with their trash. If the downloads dry up, they'll understand that it's not OK with too many people. I would encourage people to start downloading multiple copies of an unlocked driver like 344.75 repeatedly, even if only to delete them afterward.

 

Just had an email from Steve Parker who runs Neowin:

https://twitter.com/NeowinFeed/status/566608935915102208

Almost 30k followers.

 

Most businesses like that are shills and go along with whatever the program is from NVIDIA. That's part of our problem. We need folks at places like Neowin, Anandtech, HardOCP, LinusTech and the boutique OEMs like Clevo and Alienware resellers to take a hard stand against NVIDIA for this nonsense. If several of them would grow a pair of cajones and say something like,

it would create quite a stir.

Look at what I found lurking in my old email archive. Wonder if we will get to dance with NVIDIA again over this farce? Hopefully, they will have an epiphany, pull their head out and give us back unlocked drivers.

 

If Prema can somehow edit a vBIOS to make OCing work for 900M series and nVidia can't stop it... I will:
1 - Lel
2 - Still acquire 980Ms somehow. I think.
3 - Use said vBIOS magic
4 - Spam nVidia's own channel with my overclocks on twitch
5 - Continue to lel

 

OK, I had to Google "Lel" to find out what on earth you were talking about. I guess sometimes LOL just ain't good enough.

Instead of Lel'ing, you should ÜoaierlKDlkv;laksrj?! instead.

 

I fear the software will not allow OC'ing the hardware. Unless we want modded drivers each and every time nV releases one I think we may have to permanently OC our boost clocks in the bios.
Maybe Prema can release a series of boost clock OC bioses and we just pick the one with clocks that worked fine on 345.75.

 

I see no reason as to why not. A driver can't override vBIOS config, can it?

 

Why bother giving any cash to Nvidia. They really couldn't care less about you D2. It is time to support the underdog. Personally I wonder if the sudden availability of the M295X is a direct challenge to this nonsense let the testing begin.

 

So far, no... it has not been able to. A driver mod would be required.

Frequent flashing simply to change clock speeds is a recipe for disaster. Flashing should be minimized as much as possible, because things can and will go wrong sometimes. If you have a machine that allows easy recovery from a failed flash (like M18xR2) it's not a big deal. If you do not, you're screwed.

 

Well, drivers allow or deny what (OC) software will be able to tell hardware to do. We know the hardware will OC just fine, but if the drivers won't allow software from commanding the hardware to OC then how to work around that? The door is closed.
At least, that's how I see it but it's purely based on assumptions and conjecture.

Edit: according to Prema it is nearly impossible to flash-kill the bios, but let's wait and see what our bios Lord tells us

 

Way to stick it to them Linus..NOT! Some nice twisting of the knife in the back. I actually like Linus but he's clearly uninformed and not getting it. (starts around 3:30)



Weak sauce. Among other things, No mention of people who might even want to underclock.

Any one with good rep on the LTT forums? Perhaps we could get him thinking right and playing a team sport for his show next week...

 

I was under the impression that it's just a matter of keeping a bootable USB drive on hand with a stock vBios and nvflash on it and have "nvflash -4 -5 -6 Bios.rom" command added in autoexec.bat.

A blind flash as they say.

Is this no longer viable?

Oh... and keeping USB as your primary boot device any time that you OC

 

LOL Internet lingo these days...

Linus is a dead-end as far as gaming notebooks are concerned

 

I have no idea how to produce that noise in the real world though. XD.

 

This seems like another reason for people to stay with 344.75, right? I thought their 347 drivers caused issues, anyway? When I first joined these forums a month ago all I was reading was how stable and good the 344.75 was, and to go to that if 347 gave people problems...

 

I agree but we need the desktop audience not to condone this behavior. If NVidia get this, they'll come for them next.

 

Linus began listing every thin/light model on the market... again not even stopping to think that users who chase thin/light notebooks AREN'T THE ONES INTENDING TO OVERCLOCK LIKE A BANSHEE.

In other words, he still doesn't get it. Then he's like "AND HAVE YOU SEEN STUFF LIKE THE GT80 TITAN? IT'S LIKE 2 INCHES THICK" and I'm like... so? Maybe he should have to move his work office around twice a week and see how fast he adopts a stronger laptop for rendering. And see if he wants to buy a 1" thick notebook and have it overheat. I bet you he finds a bigger backpack for a bigger notebook.

 

Yeah, I too was disappointed by Linus's complete disapproval of laptop overclocking, spreading the myth that no laptop can ever handle such a thing, it gives further fuel to the desktop elitists.

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Sent from my Nexus 5

 

We have tried and will keep at it, but it's difficult when the vast majority of them are like Linus or worse

 

Exactly! He thinks gaming laptops are dead anyway. Very uniformed indeed. There are numerous barebones laptops these days that allow upgradeability for years and years just like a desktop.

Plus he outright says he thinks people shouldn't overclock laptop GPUs.

 

Does anyone have Dell's overclocked stock vbios gtx 680m 2gb vram for Alienware M18X-R2 please?

 

From my experience in browsing various forums, most are far worse than Linus. Although he is under the false impression that overclocking laptops will always end in disaster, he at least was semi-supportive to our cause by condemning NVIDIA's actions. The majority of desktop users on the other hand outright support NVIDIA on this, as if it adds a little extra to their bloated egos knowing their desktops are even further ahead of laptops now. The only thing that seems to ever matter to them is pure price-performance ratio, all other features, aspects and quirks of a product be dammed - they expect you to change your lifestyle to suit the company's products rather than the other way around, which is how it should be.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

in other news: performance gap to newest 347.52 driver is pretty negligible @1.3%

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-02/nvidia-geforce-347.52-mit-leistungssteigerungen/

and thats compared to the maxwell release driver 344.07, so 344.75 / 344.91 / 346.87 should be even less behind

 

Yeah he and among many other people don`t see the bigger picture here.
Their stance is "The notebooks that are thin and light with a 900M graphic card should be the reason why Nvidia should disable overclocking on ALL notebooks with 900M graphic cards"

It doesnt make any sense. Why should I with my 6cm thick notebook be dragged down because Aorus made a 2cm thick notebook? Our notebooks have vastly different cooling capabilities
Its completely bullcrap.

 

the new drivers don't seem to hinder a 780M's OC ability....yet!

 

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant AMD R9 cards look a little weaker at 1080 but do well at 4K and was wondering how the AMD card performs on 4K for mobility and to stack that against 980m. That is an awesome review! I just was wishing it could be compared against the AMD mobility flagship at 4K to see if it does the same as many desktop cards. But thank you for that review!

 

You oh eye er luk dul kuv (pause) lack surge?!

Why would Nvidia only disable overclocking on Maxwell chips. I don't understand that bit.

Because of the potential huge OC performance gains?

 

Even so, a simple 1203/5400 baked-in stock 980M clock destroys anything a 780M will realistically do, while drawing less power and running cooler. It's kind of annoying that we don't even have a choice as far as power goes with these chips.

 

**** yeah he mentioned the petition!

 

Which completely discredit's NVIDIA's official statement. GK104 runs considerably hotter and requires more power than GM204. It makes no sense to 'safeguard' the very chips that have the lowest risk of being damaged by overclocking while simultaneously having the most to gain.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Exactly. I don't understand how this is NVIDIA's place to disable overclocking. It should be manufacturers like Aorus, Razer, Gygabyte or MSI (at least on their GS series) that disable overclocking on their machines. Seriously, what's now the point of a G571Y or a GT72? You should not overclock your Razer Blade but Razer should take care of that, not NVIDIA. Besides, one of the only half decent things that Linus said, if you want to void warranties when laptops are overclocked then freaking void them! I didn't think so many people would be buying into this "it's for your own safety" argument but then it shows you the stigma around gaming laptops. Not to sound vain but when people can't afford a device that outperforms their own device they bash it. Console users bash PC users for not having exclusives. PC users that realize that their 760/770 can no longer keep up with a gaming laptop will bash gaming laptops. Hell even among desktop users, some people will tell you how useless your i7 CPU is and that all you need is an i5. Also, Linus knows nothing about gaming laptops, his laptop reviews are lackluster and his favorite gaming laptop is a blade so he is clearly not looking for highest performance available there. Maybe, we should have seen this BGA + No overclocking coming when even Clevo started making thin and light notebooks. There are times when I read posts from users like Mr Fox and felt like they were a little over the top but in hindsight he was right. They're taking choice off the table. Now every laptop manufacturer has a reason to go thin and light. It's gonna become like a glorified Apple market. The sad thing is that I'm in a market for a thin and light notebook because of my circumstances, and there is no way I can get what I want by bypassing NVIDIA and Intel. What Intel and NVIDIA are doing is disgusting.

 

Look how quickly this thread has grown in just a few days. I'm impressed by how united and passionate we all are are on this topic. Simultaneously, this just goes to show just how many people are being screwed over by NVIDIA's move.

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...and on that day, we all get to post this.

 

Hey op . Octiceps .Maybe you could put a link in the original post to ti forums so readers who don't know can go there for more information on this topic.
Just an idea.

 

The latest drivers don't block me from overclocking my 780M SLI, but they drag the core memory down to 400/400 under heavy load like 3DMark 11, so yeah... worthless garbage drivers. They're not even good enough to scrape the feces and dried up afterbirth off of the floor of a pig farrowing barn.

 

Holy f*ck drivers can do that?!

 

I'm not too sure about drivers, but vBIOSes sure can. Earlier today, I just re-flashed a different version of vBIOS made by Prema for my GTX 860M and gained a +150MHz stability boost on the core and memory. I'm now running at 200/350 with 275 mV overvolt, and it's very stable.

 

The cooling on a Gt72 should be sufficient enough to OC, right? I am still running the 344.75 driver, so I would still be able to do this, wouldn't I?

 

Best analogy I can think of:

It's akin to the government banning all extreme sports (like skydiving, mountaineering, surfing, F1 racing, mountain biking etc.). From now on, you can only participate in government approved 'regular' sports (like football, rugby, cricket, tennis, baseball etc.). This is for your own safety, they're doing you a favour, as there is a high risk involved in these sports.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I was talking about the pig thing.

EDIT: OMG GUYZ LOOK WUT I FOUND IN TEH DRIVER NOTES:

Spoiler: Latest Driver Notes

 

You gotta be kidding me.... :-/

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...ries-video-7-how-to-overclock-your-gaming-rig

Is it just me or did they just take a sh*t on us after they finished pissing on us...?

 

They have no conscience.

 

Just trying to reassure the desktop customers they are not on the radar for this....

 

Actually no...I know exactly what this is...

NVIDIA you sneaky bastards.....

This is a peace flag to all desktop users....what this is basically saying is: we won't #clockblock you like we did to those stupid laptop users....so you havr no reason to take their side.

I'm afraid this seals it....NVIDIA ain't planning to back off

 

Hahaha.... great minds think alike..we posted this at exactly the same time