No more overclocking on Nvidia mobile GPUs

Not exactly true. They just finished a securities case related to an improper solder used on their chips in 2008 that would crack when heated to a specific window, costing a **** ton in RMAs. Wonder if they did it again?

 

Don't forget this

 

Yeah well this time we've been played and paid... So not happy.

 

Right, G84M Bumpgate. You're referring to the same thing.

 

Wait for the RMAs to roll in... I can almost bet this is for prevention of a design defect!

 

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

Can someone please provide me with a list of NBR approved swear words so that I may respond appropriately?

 

Sorry, this is my 3rd laptop. First was a ****ty HP from 2007, next was 2011 P150HM, and now P770ZM. Only reason I know about it is because the securities case was won by nvidia as not defrauding stock holders (10b-5 false or misleading statements of a material fact by statement or omission that causes the statement to be false in the light it was made that would have be pertinent to reasonable investor in the "total mix" of information, was made with scienter (intent to defraud or egregious recklessness that was so much it shocks the conscience), that was relied upon (usually under a fraud on the market theory) and was justifiably relied upon that damaged the purchaser of the security)

 

I think someone's sarcasm detector may be broken

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Welp, so first we have the 3.5+0.5GB 224+32 bit desktop 970, then we have this in the mobile world.

nVidia truly has gotten too big for its own good. Come on Lisa Su DO SOMETHING DAMMIT.

 

If you look at the performance of the r9 series and the projected performance of the 380/390 with HBM, something may be done about this in short order... of course after getting over the shortage of 20nm wafers that were sucked up by Apple and Samsung causing the release to be pushed back to April or May time frame.

 

I'm just curious what we'll talk about once OC'ing is dead in this part of the forum lol.... all the great HTWingNut reviews with OC details we all love no longer applicable.... worrying about power supply issues with X overclock? They have simply killed the fun I've enjoyed for over a decade.

Seems we'll simply be down to *****ing about console ports.

Nvidia can eat sh*t and die....

 

Yes I've been following the news, just hope it's not all hype with little substance in the end.

 

Haha dunno what's up with NVIDIA these days. I mean I love their hardware but it's making it hard to defend them. First they lie about the GTX 970's gimped 4 GB ram and now they take away OC'ing from mobile drivers which is a kick in the gut for guys that have Clevo's and other enthusiast brands (I won't mention Alienware because they are gimped trash). I don't see them reversing course on this anytime soon either, usually these kinds of decisions are made by either the engineers themselves or some PR guy that's been pressured by OEMs like Dellienware.

BTW everyone, you can still flash your clocks using vbios, they can't really lock that out. Back in the day when we used to OC on laptops like the Dell M1710 XPS and earlier, we'd use vbios flash to do it. The chips are good for thousands upon thousands of flashes so there's no real worries there - it's just a big inconvenience for people who like to benchmark.

Also forget about AMD, they aren't competitive at all in the mobile space. Their supposed R380x/390x uses 300W watercooled part just to pull ahead of the 980 GTX and that's by a measly 30% projected gain at this point. Good luck sticking something like that in a notebook.

 

This isn't just for Clevo guys, this is bigger than that... lots of us overclock happily for years on many other machines.

I'm particularly annoyed as Maxwell overclocks so well, and I have to assume that's part of why NVIDIA decided to dick us all.... my 970m will run at +135/+500 cool all day long in a crammed slim GS60 chassis. This was a big reason I purchased this laptop, and now after the fact they neutered my rig on a whim?? That's total BS by any standard.

 

Don't get me wrong, I just mentioned Clevo because it's the premier enthusiast brand. I definitely sympathize for all those who own other brands as well.

 

I take exception to that. If you look, NVIDIA stomps at synthetics. And I agree, AMD sucks in the mobile dptm. But in actual gameplay, the flagship R9s performed better than NVIDIA. Their r9 295x, although huge power draw, still is the single most powerful card out there in actual performance in game. The 290 isn't bad either and brought down team green's prices. So for better or worse, I enjoy team red when they perform and give props for real world performance, not synthetics.

 

AMD is fine in the desktop world. Re-read what I said, I specifically mentioned mobile where they haven't been competitive in a very very long time. AMD has failed to shrink their desktop designs to fit a mobile package capable of taking on NVIDIA, this was especially compounded further with Maxwell's release. I suspect R300 won't change that either since it's just an evolution of the existing GCN architecture.

 

How about this one?

 

GM200 is supposed to be a 250W part. If the 380X/390X beats or even just matches GM200 in performance at 300W, the perf/watt ratio isn't that far off from Maxwell.

This needs to be a meme, RIGHT NOW.

 

Do you think it will? I have serious doubts. AMD hasn't been as efficient in perf./watt in a long time at the top end. On the desktop side of things this isn't a huge problem unless you build an itx but it is for mobile where every watt counts. Also my last experience with AMD drivers on the mobile side of things wasn't very pleasant (7970M Xfire).

 

I hear ya. Just got uppity about your last line referring to desktop performance is all. LOL. We def. agree on mobile they haven't put out anything good in forever!

 

AMD won't be competitive perf/watt with Nvidia unless they severely neuter compute like Nvidia does, but they can get close.

 

This really is an insult to those who have purchased high-end nVIDIA mobile GPUs, with all intention of overclocking them. It's like Sony taking away Linux from the PS3, only likely a much more common use case. What enthusiast doesn't plan to at least occasionally overclock their GPU? Makes me glad I have an AMD card in my latest laptop, and if I do upgrade it to a newer MXM card at some point, that's a notable advantage for AMD. Hopefully AMD is able to capitalize on this, particularly once the 300 series is out. It's hard to believe nVIDIA's handing them such an obvious marketing edge, even forgetting the performance advantages.

I do suspect there will be 3rd-party drivers that re-allow overclocking at some point. Back in the day, I used Dox drivers on my 8600M GT for better performance, and they were third-party-modified. But creating that sort of driver isn't a trivial thing to do, either.

I'd probably just stick with the current drivers for the time being if I had a recent nVIDIA card. Although since DX12 support is probably not that great yet, that may not work so well once Windows 10 is out. vBIOS modding isn't really a comparable alternative. Yeah, that could be a real pain in a year or so.

 

Well the 300W 290X was neck to neck with the 250W Titan, beating it in some games, losing out in others. So I'm hopeful.

On the mobile front I agree.

 

NVIDIA has actually improved compute with Maxwell. Infact significantly against Kepler: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/20

 

I can't describe the anger I'm feeling right now.

 

i bet you they enable overclocking for the tegra X1 ........lol

 

BTW here's some contacts for you guys to bombard with e-mails:

Brian Burke
GeForce Notebook & CUDA Consumer Products
[email protected]
+1 (512) 401 4385

Bryan Del Rizzo
GeForce & Consumer Desktop Products
[email protected]
+1 (408) 486 2772


Bob Sherbin
Corp. Communications (Lead)
[email protected]
+1 (408) 566-5150

Let them know how you feel, try to be as polite as possible. A concerted effort with all of you writing a default template and then signing it + sending it to a designated e-mail would be the best way to go about it.

 

Not in FP64. That actually took a step back from Kepler.

 

We need to bring back Charlie Demerjian from his 8600M GT days...

I remember a junkoad of MacBook Pro 15's being RMA'd

 

Why, doesn't Charlie still work for SemiAccurate?

N/m that Bumpgate stuff was back with The Inquirer. Yeah if anybody could be a single strong voice in this, it would be him.

 

I think when he wrote those he was with The Inquirer.

 

Considering the increased power requirements that stem from overclocking, not to mention increased temperatures in an already thermally restricted platform such as a laptop... performance-wise, are you gaining enough to justify it?

If the laptop has a 1080p resolution for instance, wouldn't the 970m be more than enough to drive almost any game on it maxed out (or nearly so) at framerates that would offer a smooth gameplay?

Remember that Ultra details for practically all games offer minimal gains with huge performance hits compared to 'High' details which offer essentially the same thing at much higher framerates.

Don't get me wrong, I like to tinker with my hardware as well and push it to see what it's capable of... but realistically, I also have to balance the gains with other things such as thermal efficiency and power consumption.
Push the component far enough and there's not going to be enough juice to run it adequately on a laptop power brick, or risk overheating.
And depending on its design, it might end up running at a reduced life-expectancy - which is interestingly what seems to happen in plenty of cases, resulting in bricked hardware.

If the gains are large enough, and you have stable results, then yes, it could be worth it... but for majority of cases... the stock 970m and 980m would be able to drive gaming, etc. for years.

Also, are you disputing the poor optimizations are not part of the problem when it comes to performance?

 

^Just stop. Please.

 

Deks, you can sometimes combine overclocking with undervolting, getting both faster and cooler system. Even if not, there's nothing dangerous unless you're overvolting too much, or your cooling is inadequate/fails, which is absolutely as dangerous for non-overclocked system. I couldn't help but notice that your arguments look extremely weird coming from person running heavily undervolted CPU on his main system.

 

Nope, can't even max out 4 year old games like Witcher 2.

 

x2..... some get it, some don't. We understand this isn't your thing

 

This is total BS. So Nvidia will happily have goofy Boost 2.0 pump in more voltage than I personally would under gaming clocks... But that's somehow ok.
What a dark day. Soldered components and no OCing.

Let's not take this lying down.

 

You're right, the 970M that doesn't throttle in the Razer Blade 14 will become unstable when overclocked in a machine like the P377SMA because cooling is irrelevant. Games like ACU or Watchdogs run under 60 FPS but these are bad ports so I guess I shouldn't have bought them because a game's optimization is related to the fun it provides. Besides it's not like anyone ever wants to game above 1080p on external monitors or something. High resolutions and Ultra details are overrated. Thank you for making me understand NVIDIA's new direction.

 

How complicated is it going to become to install and regularly update modded BIOS/drivers?

 

So does this mean we will not be able to undervolt and also lock in lower clocks (PL0) on non-Optimus systems?

If so that's bloody ridiculous.

 

I don't believe drivers will override BIOS settings... hence we will be able to undervolt and overclock, they'll just make testing painful. Installing older drivers, finding a sweet spot, flashing BIOS and only then installing proper drivers seems viable solution to me. Modifying desktop drivers to recognize the mobile card as desktop may be possible as well.

 

Right but say I want to temporarily set Performance Level 0 using NVI so that clocks are locked at their lowest level?

Do the newer drivers allow that facility or not?

Posted on Guru3D as ManuelG posts there too: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=5012480#post5012480

 

To people who say OCing is only +3-5 FPS.... here you go. I forced to single GPU.

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Overclocked:

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Thank you based Luna.

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Somehow I'm not as outraged as I should be because you know, owning two desktop 970 3.5+0.5GB cards isn't bad enough, and now I have to deal with this bullpoppy.

Or maybe it's because after seeing how they handled the 970 issue, I realized nVidia is capable of any kind of baseness.

You should post this to the source thread on nVidia's forums.

And someone REALLY ought to find a way to fit this into that now infamous Youtube video

 

Done and done. Even added in my 120Hz snapshot to make them more mad

 

Even better, we already know that ManuelG is the cholo in the video!