Nvidia`s schedule: Geforce 940MX, GTX 970MX and 980MX in Q2 2016

Now it makes sense, they quoted the copy from the old model, since MSI hasn't listed the new one.

Let's hope MSI follows up with an entry for the Skylake release, so vendors have something to go on

 

Makes some sense.

It's not exactly that I wish to ignore Windows 10 for life. I'll eventually move there. I'm a gamer, I will want DirectX 12. But it isn't an upgrade now, and it has shown little signs of improving itself in the ways it should, and I rather not move to it before I absolutely must. But they're pushing for it SO HARD that they're willing to literally abandon everything left and right just to get people to use it. Artificially limit everything to Windows 10 and people will eventually need to move on to it, or have an increasing number of programs/services/hardware devices/etc that they cannot use.

It's as I said in another thread: if they're willing to put the time, effort, money and manpower behind artificially locking everything under the sun to Windows 10 to harass and force people to move onto the OS, they should use all that money, effort, time and manpower on actually fixing the OS they've provided. And I sincerely, sincerely hope that if they don't, legal action is taken against them, especially for things like the way Windows 10 doesn't report when it changes its options/policies (especially about data collection) after reboots. A button to save settings is pointless if a reboot clears those settings back to the undesirable defaults, and if they're near-forcing people to use the OS and it's in such an anti-consumer way, they should pay their legal dues.

Of course none of that will ever happen, and I'm not Linus or Anandtech or Tom's Hardware to make a splash about it.

 

That doesn't happen though. People complained that it happened after Threshold was released but even then it didn't affect everyone (and it didn't affect me).

 

Exactly. They are expending a lot of resources trying to force everyone to move to Win10. Why not actually offer an OS that gives people a *NEED* or *WANT* to upgrade. Not *JUST BECAUSE*. They should go back to basics build on Windows 7 since that seems to be the OS of preference for most people and keep similar front end stuff, and work on the back end and improvements. That's what people really want. The whole Microsoft Store model is complete fail. They expect people to buy crap from there in droves when there's nothing of use there. MS keeps wanting to be like Apple, but they're not. They never will be. They don't own the hardware designs. They offer an OS that works if the hardware conforms with their requirements, that's it.

 

Wasn´t 680M => 780M pretty decent? At least more than the below 10% proposed here.

 

Well the 780M added 192 Kepler cores which are pretty much equivalent in performance to the 128 Maxwell cores that are supposedly being added here. The memory was also clocked a lot higher vs 680M, which is what I'd expect to see happen again here. 6GHz/7GHz effective memory clock on these 980MX's I expect to see.

So yeah, I'm expecting a pretty decent bump in performance but nothing worthy of upgrading from a 980M with Pascal coming later this year.

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vram will probably be the same as 980M.

 

Sorry, and ignore this if it is considered forum faux pas to ask for recommendations.

Is it advisable to buy a 980M laptop now, before the launch of 980MX? I had my eye on an Asus G751JY for $1570 on Amazon (before tax). I prefer the look of the G751 chassis to the 752, and it has G-Sync - the whole thing seems like a solid deal. Will the launch of 980MX cause a huge drop in the price of the G751JY or will be $100-150 max? I'd rather buy it now and play upcoming and old games like W3, Far Cry Primal, BF etc. right now, than wait 3-4 months.

I figured this would be a good place to ask, since you guys seem to know your stuff and can probably predict price drops on high end laptops. Thanks.

 

Not really, Historical data does not necessarily predict future behavior

Buy now, play now - buy later, play later, that's really the decision you are making.

If you want to play right now, buy the best laptop you can reasonably afford, and then enjoy gaming on it, right now.

Don't waste time wondering if you made the right decision, just game.

No matter what you buy, most likely you will see something faster the same day, the next day, or within weeks, months.

Understand that, expect it, don't worry about it.

Many people waited for Skylake instead of getting Haswell / Broadwell, both which were plentiful and high performing.

They waited/wasted months not gaming on a new fast laptop waiting for Skylake.

Now they find that Skylake CPU's aren't any faster for gaming, and all the associated hardware - NVME, TB3, USB-C, etc etc are either buggy, not certified yet, and Skylake itself is buggy.

Even worse, they all ship with Windows 10

Waiting doesn't always end up with better / faster hardware.

Game now, Game later, it's up to you.

 

This is just a very minor refresh, moreso it seems to simply satisfy OEM's with fresh product as discussed previously, the 980M will be 2 years old by the time these start shipping. I wouldn't expect anything faster than 5GHZ ram, mostly because the additional shader count by itself it is going to net approximately a 8-12% increase overall, and given their naming nomenclature it would at least appear that they're not trying to suggest this is a generational leap, just an incriminate one.

There's the additional aspect that Nvidia now has several partners shipping 980 laptop parts, so there's no need to go crazy with the 980MX. Their Top-Tier mobile part needs to fit into that 100W TDP spec to fit into existing platforms and I suspect that these are simply binned parts to do that. 6-7ghz ram would (probably) push it past that 100W envelope.

 

Well I can agree with you for the most part but the 980M isn't two years old until October. These are rumoured to launch in spring, right?

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That kinda worries me too, the 980MX is a tad further down the 980m performance road, but there is still room beyond that to stretch further with another push out toward the 980 fully enabled core, before releasing Pascal.

Let's hope things go "FABulously" for Nvidia

 

2016 is shaping up to be a landmark year in terms of gaming performance.

• This year we will see some proper games supporting DX12. This will decide what real world gains DX12 brings. For alot of us, the only reason to consider Win 10 is DX12.
• We will begin to see if more developers make use of Asynchronous compute and to what extent. If they do use it extensively, it will be a setback to Nvidia.
• We will see how well the concept of two different GPU working together works with DX12.
• Vulcan is not dead yet, Khronos has showed some renewed interest in pushing it. This year will decide the fate of it.
• With Nvidia having issues with Pascal (as speculated) and AMD being ready with Polaris. AMD have a golden chance to win back some of their credibility. Personally, I think even if AMD manages to regain the top performer title with Polaris, it will be short lived until Pascal is out. But that small window may be enough to attract gamer who are waiting for a long time.

Considering all this, I dont understand this 9X0MX move from Nvidia. I mean I am ok with pushing Pascal back if there are problems with it, but even with Maxwell they could have done alot more and given us some worthwhile improvements.

 

This, very much this. If AMD comes out with even something that will equal the eventual 1070M, decent thermals and Freesync panels actual make it to OEM's I can see a bunch of people, like myself, jumping. I firmly believe that the first push of graphics cards will be DDR5, not HBM2 or DDR5X, so if AMD releases in May and Nvidia doesn't launch laptop cards at COMPUTEX than I will jump.

I am sick of waiting for new hardware, I wanted a new laptop in the fall, but couldn't justify $2000 on a year old graphics card, if they had rerefreshed the 980M to the 980MX in September that would have make a ton more sense than waiting until March 2016.

 

It's an interesting time certainly, with both AMD and Nvidia straining their cycles so long. My gut says we won't see another top tier Maxwell mobile part with the 980MX coming this year, and the fact that again, they already have shoved a fully core enabled 980 into a laptop. My bet is that whatever succeeds the 980MX and 980 Laptop version will be pascal based. There's essentially no competition from AMD with a Fury based Mobile unit, so I don't foresee Nvidia would have any reason not to wait it out another 1-1.5 years before allowing pascal to come down the pipeline.

 

Good. It was about the damn time that the GTX 970M and GTX 980M get old.

 

980X / 970X

 

Er... Vulkan has never been dead. Heck, it isn't even alive yet. Khronos mentioned that the release would be delayed beyond 2015, but 1.0 is nearly ready. I am hoping that at least X-Plane 10 (probably X-Plane 11, though) supports it, since all the other game developers are pandering to the closed-source network of APIs of DirectX/3D12 + GameWorks. Screw closed source.

 

I just can't imagine Pascal not arriving within the year - it's got to be released before 2017 surely, those 980M are getting old and if AMD are gonna be releasing their new architecture quite soon then I'm sure NVidia would want a part of it!

 

I'm still believing we'll get Pascal in some form in March. Nvidia's always had a March release, I see no reason why this year should be any different.

 

Quarter 2 2016 ? well, lets see if the GT72 will be able to be upgraded or not.. and if it's going to be maxwell again or not..

 

mmm maybe not because they've just announce 980mx that's a 970 desktop rebrand?

 

The low tier MX will likely release in March: 920MX, 930MX, 940MX. The 970MX, 980MX likely in June. Those will just be place holders until Pascal can get its arse in gear and out the door.

See notebookcheck's listing of 940MX shows intro date of March 25, 2016: http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-940MX.156033.0.html

 

Well, for what it's worth, NotebookCheck folks were asking around their sources and concluded GTX 970MX and GTX 980MX rumors were hoax and these GPUs are not going to happen:

https://translate.google.com/transl...MX-und-980MX-geplant.158340.0.html&edit-text=

 

That's just it though, there have been no rumors that AMD is going to be showing off a Fiji based mobile part anytime soon, not so much as a wiff. They pulled what Nvidia's pulling here in reorganizing their lineup and making do with clock/shader restructuring, but nothing more. It seems both of them are content to allow their mobile parts to lag behind desktop technology right now. I somewhat understand this given the HBM problems that have needed to be worked out and the fact that the technology is so new. This in combination with the new 16nm process seems to be giving everyone problems in an unrestricted TDP desktop arena, it's a much tougher call in a laptop form factor naturally. I'd be pleasantly surprised if either of them released brand new silicon this year.

 

Same link + quote

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.notebookcheck.com/Nvidia-Derzeit-keine-GTX-970MX-und-980MX-geplant.158340.0.html&edit-text=

"The page HardwareBattle.com has recently spread rumors about an upcoming update shortly the Geforce GTX 970M and 980M graphics card from Nvidia. This should be upgraded to a "Geforce GTX 970MX" and Geforce GTX 980MX ". According to our research, these are but a hoax, which was confirmed by several independent industry insiders. It is not currently with an update of the current Geforce GTX 970M and GeForce 980M can be expected, instead, a jump within the next chip generation (is unanimously "Pascal") the end of 2016 / early 2017 expected."

Pascal 2016/2017 !!

But, nothing new until then??

 

Spooky coincendence, or updated auto-correct?

My android 5.1.1 phone just autocorrected 980m to 980MX...and I have never typed in 980MX before.

 

Nvidia can't afford to run with no new products until the end of the year... It won't make the OEMs happy and even further, it won't make their investors happy.

 

Haha, I was just about to post the link to the same article, although here's the link to the English version:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-No-GTX-970MX-and-980MX-GPUs-are-in-the-works.158349.0.html
Well, if there's gonna be no 970MX/980MX, then that's a good sign that Pascal could come earlier than the 2017 that has been banded around this thread a few times.

 

They say right in the page that Pascal is expected end of 2016, early 2017. That's a really long time to go without a refresh even if it's just a rebrand.

 

Yeah, I think Pascal will release sooner.

 

I'll be amazed if we see performance laptops in consumer hands before Q4. We haven't even seen a working prototype of Pascal and nVidia mislead everyone with their PX2 tease since they used Maxwell 980Ms. Meanwhile AMD has demonstrated Polaris.

 

But what is the main reason why these <new> gpu models can't be released? It is an ingenious way of delaying the launch of Pascal. Hard to know what Nvidia will do. Maybe take an Intel. Make an extra Tock

 

I think they'll be released before the end of the year, I reckon they'll get it launched before Christmas, I think they'll wanna get some Christmas sales if they can.

 

December = Q4 =P

 

Why doesn't anyone pay attention to the fact that the GTX -60 series might be updated with a half-Pascal spec? Exactly like how the 860M was announced in 2014 with GM107 (although that had Kepler too...)

Flagships aren't everything...

 

Because most of us on here don't care about the weak 106/107/108 based chips. Besides, if they did decide to go that route they would also probably stick to forcing the GPU to be BGA only as well which limits the audience on this forum even further.

Still, it doesn't really seem likely either way. NVidia is focusing on big die Pascal more than anything else right now so they can release new professional cards since Maxwell axed double precision.

 

Sad, because those 'weak' chips offer some incredible bang-for-buck and low power consumption that's not exactly possible on higher-end chips... Unless one is made of money. The GTX 970M being the exception here. Remember that user who ended up purchasing a laptop with a GTX 960M that cost $750?

I get a feeling they might, since everyone here says Nvidia's flagship Pascal might be delayed into next year, and Nvidia needs to get some form of Pascal out this year or face the displeasure of investors and gamers.

 

The MX GPU's make more sense than Pascal being released any earlier than Q4 at this point. It didn't seem like an elaborate hoax or something that couldn't happen. Nobody has a clue from any media site still. Nvidia's being super secret on whatever their plan is.

 

I think a MX is highly possible for the higher end too. I alluded to this a while back in the Pascal thread.
Wasn't there supposed to be a dual GPU 990* coming for desktops too.
Pascal is anything but close.

 

I've just read every single post so far....there are surely some great points being made.

If we're all wanting to go Pascal, why would we even desire a half arse refresh? Only to buy Pascal shortly thereafter?

What's wrong with the 980M w/ 8GB for now? Or desktop GPU with an amplifier?

The 980M w/ 8GB, has been performing superb on my 4k monitor and UHD screen on the laptop. Of course I'd love more power to be able to play 4k @ 60+ fps, but right now...I don't think it makes sense to be waiting for a half done refresh, only for Pascal to come right around the corner.

 

If there really are MX's, they will help bridge the gap between now and Pascal.

New buyers will be happy they got something faster than their friends, and can start gaming right now.

Current owners won't need to upgrade to the MX, but like you said, we are already happy until Pascal.

MX is better than nothing new.

 

Haha...your second point makes the most sense and highly likely so....=P

Ex..."...I have an MX...what about you? ..." (with their chest puffed and nose up high....) - all for nothing....

All the while it probably wouldn't be anything spectacular to justify having bought one over the 980M.

Then there will be a thread with...."I regret my purchase (MX), because Pascal is launching soon!"

I think the major point here to be reckoned is that Pascal will be a paradigm shift in Mobile gpu advancement vs just another upgrade/refresh.

Therefore, I think it's more logical to wait for the best than settling for a new paint job.

 

Pascal may indeed still be that next level in performance, but given reports on running hot and delay in announcement, it's possible Pascal performance will need to be toned down to meet reliability / mobile goals.

Pascal at first release might only be 1/2 way to the next level, which might only be 1/4 further than MX or 980X

 

True true....which then a refresh would make some sense to satisfy the hunger until the steak is ready eh....good point.

It'd be nice to have something more significant though..we'll have to just wait and see...



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It's not that people are excited for an MX refresh, just that it's an indicator of where Pascal is at. If there was no talk of a refresh then Pascal would likely be around the corner. They typically don't go more than a year before some sort of refresh.

 

Well said...