*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Asus may not put the 1080 in the G752 since they wouldn't want to take away sales from their G800/GX800 and G701.

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Why Kill the battery faster than necessary?

 

@Aken

I got a g752 with 1060gtx.

This is by far the best laptop i have ever had. Its a beast but stay very quiet and cooling system is very very good (both for cpu and gpu)

I think it can handle a 1080 without any problem.

I think 1070 runs most game in ultra with insane fps so i dont see an use for 1080....yet.

I dont have any problem with my 1060 so...

 

Surprise shutdown when batter is over isn't something you'd like to see happening

 

The VM won't manage to get up to VT levels of battery because it doesn't have Optimus this time around... Which I consider a good thing

Thunderbolt 3 kinda lost it's main selling point once it became clear that it was never going to work as a decent eGPU solution because of the latency problems.

I do think the Alienware of old is gone. However, if you drop what it was and focus on what it is, vs. what competitors are offering, I see no reason to proclaim them dead. Let's see what they bring next week! The graphics amp alone makes them worthy of my consideration.

 

Hey guys, i finally got my Clevo p651rp6-g. Just some quick notes: performance - great, temps are pretty good. It has ****ty silver-coloures plastic stripe something on the back panel. the case is pretty hard to remove. I'm not in love with touchpad, i'll probably get used to it though. speakers play very mediocre, but i guess i can't expect laptop speakers to play much better. For now, i hate the power supply slot placed on the back - it's impossible to put the connected notebook on the table using 1 hand, because the cable goes under the laptop - that's really annoying. keyboard is really nice, the screen is really good, i like the colors. but in general, i'm quite pleased with it - lets say 7.5-8/10. i also had some BIOS problems, it freezes when "exit saving changes" and the only way is using a button to turn off the notebook. perhaps i just need some update.

 

Yea, it will decrease its life. But it wont be using much anyway.

You need to game non-stop for like 12 hours for that to happen.

 

Asus's single 1080 GPU laptop is the air-cooled G800VI
https://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks/ROG-G800VI/

Here is a Preview review from notebookcheck of the G800VI
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-G800VI-Notebook-Preview.171564.0.html

The dual 1080 GPU, SLI, water-cooled model is the GX800VH
https://www.asus.com/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-GX800VH/overview/

Preview review from notebookcheck of the GX800VH
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-GX800VH-Notebook-Preview.171399.0.html

This guy does great benchmark videos, and reviews, but in this one he was sick - his mind was willing but he was miserable sick, still worth watching

GTX 1080 SLI Mobile Gaming: Asus ROG GX800 - Worlds Most Powerful Laptop
Note: the 230w x 2 power supplies his laptop sample came with have been upgraded in the shipping version, check out the product page specifications, now 2 x 330w power supplies, which should help off dock performance.

 

Thank you, but this is insanely expensive. I was thinking that they just put 1080 in g752vs. To be cheap enough with 1080. But anyhow 3000-4000 USD is too much for that.

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What if you are rendering a huge 3D scene in your mobile platform? It could take up to 20 hours, depending on the scene itself of course.

Anyway and anyhow, you are paying for a not average but kind of premium product, an investment for a proper power supply should't be something oversighted

 

Tell Asus through their support site, tell Asus an affordable single 1080 G752 model is needed, at $1000 less than the G800VI
https://www.asus.com/support

Asus used to have a Feedback form, but it looks like the best parallel available is a "Complaint form", click the drop down menu and Select Complaint form here:
https://vip.asus.com/VIP2/Services/QuestionForm?lang=en-us#

You need to register an account at Asus before submitting, but that's something you should have if you want Asus support for products.

IDK if the G800VI is shipping yet, so the pricing you see might not be written in stone, your communication back to Asus might help

Asus has gotten in the habit of putting the best GPU in a laptop stuffed with costly extra's, it's gotten worse over the years. Asus really need to have a stripped down model offered as well.

I don't know if Asus can put a 1080 into the G752 cooling system and work well, those 1080's put out a lot of heat.

The only 1080 laptops I see offered on newegg.com are MSI laptops, and they are pre-orders. All but one over $3000, one at $2799:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100167748 601206491
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154325

 

The battery boost is only supposed to kick in when the power draw from the wall hits the maximum limit for the 330w AC power supply, and there are no larger single power supplies offered by *any* laptop vendor - MSI now offers 2 x 330w for the GT83VR 1080 SLI as does Asus for their GX800VH 1080 SLI laptop.

The situation with the MSI GT80S 980 SLI was a sad situation where MSI didn't have any option at the time to offer more than 330w power and ship the unit within the product release Window of all the other single 980's coming out at the time.

MSI is now offering laptop trade-in's for the GT80* series to GT83VR models, and although we don't know what configurations will be offered as part of the trade-in - or how much it will cost - MSI is at least providing a way to get the 2 x 330w solution, belatedly.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ents-and-all-things-msi.795144/#post-10326272

MSI should really offer GT80S 980 SLI owners a sweeter deal - almost a 1:1 trade-in, but we shall see

 

Hi,

I have been following this thread for a while now, and I wanted to ask you about your opinion on two laptops.
Because of my budget (below 1500€), I consider buying a Clevo laptop. But there aren't that many resellers. One of them offers these:
http://www.one.de/shop/product_info.php?products_id=15295
http://www.one.de/shop/product_info.php?products_id=15297
I have tried to find out the Clevo names, but I failed. The second one could be the P751DM2-G, but I am not certain about this.
I'm looking for a 15" laptop with a gtx1060 for below 1500€ (~1550€ if absolutely necessary). Do you think one of those would be a good choice?

 

We have Clevo forums here on NBR, check them out, your post will get better attention there from other Clevo owners that can better answer your question.

Sager and Clevo
Clevo is perhaps not widely known, but their products are re-branded and sold by many known boutique brands.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/forums/sager-and-clevo.1017/

 

Thanks!
I'm sorry for apparantly misinterpreting this thread.

 

This Pascal thread is all over the place, which it's supposed to be, and we do discuss lots of Pascal laptop announcements, releases, reviews, and owner impression and usage results here.

Specific buying info, configuration for builds in specific makes and models, and best dealer info and places to purchase are all best gotten from the vendor specific threads where all that discussion happens.

 

Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly. If you limit the FPS it can help keep the laptop cooler? So does mean that if I got a 120hz laptop, it would always run hotter than a 75hz laptop?

 

Yep. Because gpu and cpu need to work harder to give you more fps.

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It is not that simple. There is also the resolution and other problems to take into account, but why would you want to limit the fps? it is the other way around. You want to increase the performance as much as possible

 

Well because I have seen several say you should limit FPS to 120 +1 or 75 +1 (or 60 +1) to help with cooling and also help prevent tearing.

 

It *can* help your system run cooler if the system can do over x fps, and you limit it to x fps, because effectively the card does not have to work at 100% load. However, as games get more demanding and time goes by, this will become less and less effective as it takes more effort for a card to reach x fps. Basically what I'm saying is don't think it won't overheat and throttle just because you can limit the FPS, because sooner or later that measure won't help you anymore.

 

As with all aging systems performance in new games drop - if those games are more demanding, in some you might not even hit 60 fps even under 100% GPU load.

But, you can drop down to 40 fps, or 30 fps, and limit the GPU usage that way. That's what older laptop GPU owners do now.

Plenty of people game at 30 fps, not saying it's ideal, but it works.

By then, there should be new laptops to upgrade to, and the cycle continues

Besides, there is already a game that will bog down the best laptops out, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided.

 

I was thinking of that one.

 

Yes, since the 75hz laptop is likely FPS limited with G-sync (75hz is that magic refresh rate favored by G-sync), then if the 120hz laptop runs limited at 120 fps, it's pushing more frames and doing more work than the 75hz laptop.

You are catching on to the magic of an FPS limiter tuned to the refresh rate of your internal display

 

Seriously, before long we'll only have full size desktop psu available in a form factor that's adequate for travel.

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If a panel is listed as 60 Hz and is gsync. To get 75Hz do I have to oc the panel or does the panel have to be 75Hz ti start with?

Also it sounds like to get the longest run with my gpu is to buy the 1080p screen with a 1080 or 1070 so it can push the 75 fps barrier for new games down the road. The fact that those gpu's are total over kill for 1080p now means in a few years they will still be rocking playable frame rates.

If I'm only worried about 75 fps is a 120 Hz gsync panel a wasted effort for me to hold out for?

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I was struggling with this same question for a while earlier this week. Then I realized that I am happy with 60 fps at 1080 and probably always will be.

So like you said, crushing those resolutions for now (we'll see when my system is delivered of course) and will probably be somewhat future proof until my warranty runs out and I upgrade in 2 years

 

Yeah. You must be one of the very few, who like this Crippled feature. Also very few Aw owners liked that mess. First AW "Echobooks" adopted this Hybrid boost feature from Msi . Dell's engineers made the same blame as Msi The battery wear for the Aw machines is a ticking bomb. You can see it on the web.... Maybe put with a even slimer/ thinner weaker psu and extend the use of battery for portability. Yeah, some call Hybrid bios/Turbo battery boost a feature!!

 

Bruv, you don't spend this much money, and settle for a 7.5 out of 10.

 

Any laptop with 1070 lower than 3 kg that you would recommend, except for the clevo?

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That's a similar boat that I'm in. Clevo is the only one, so far, that ticks off the most options for what I want. I know I won't get everything but I'm only spending 1650 or so and that's okay. I want a thin and light 1070 that I can't also cook breakfast on.

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It looks like it's tough to get anything right now, and many laptops that are supposed to have 120 fps 1080p - also have 60hz non-Gsync and 60hz G-sync versions - and that's all that's shipping in many places.

So be sure whatever you order you check the Inventory sticker on the side and make sure that box has what you want - and don't look at generic marketing print that says 120hz/G-sync - those are also on the boxes that ship with 60hz.

If you want more choice, and 120hz G-sync, you might need to be patient and wait for them to show up in stock.

There are also 120hz non-Gsync builds, if you want G-sync also make sure it has G-sync on the Inventory sticker for that unit, not generic G-sync print advertising on the box.

The 60hz display vs 75hz display isn't simple either. At first there were only 60hz G-sync displays, and some people were overclocking to a 75hz or higher refresh and that was working for many people.

Then the vendors got clued in and made the displays that would work at 75hz a feature that was called out and shipped as such.

Soooo, that likely left them with displays that wouldn't OC to 75hz, and they started shipping them as 60hz G-sync displays.

Most of those displays don't OC from 60hz to 75hz, but some might. If the vendors are binning the panel refresh rates to find the 75hz ones, it's likely they wouldn't let too many slip by.

It's never easy is it?

I can't tell you what to want, but I want a 120hz G-sync 1080p, or a 120hz G-sync 4k (only in a 2 x 1080 laptop), as a higher refresh is smoother.

More FPS does mean more load on the GPU/CPU, so 60hz G-sync is the lowest load, 75hz G-sync the next, and 120hz G-sync the highest load on the GPU/CPU.

That's not a bad thing, unless your laptop can't easily cool the highest load, so try to tune the FPS to the cooling/power ability of the laptop, on a game by game basis.

I enjoy gaming at 100hz/100fps, so 120hz is the next step up for me on an internal laptop display.

 

You have a number of options other than the Clevo, the ASUS GL502VS, the MSI GT62VR, the Gigabyte P35X, P37X and P57X, the AORUS X5 and the 17" HP Omen once its available to buy (a couple of those are right at 3kg flat). Alienware 15 has historically been a bit heavier than 3kg, so I wouldn't count on it, but we'll have to wait for next week to see what they do.

The prices on all those and the features span a really big range, and the list includes 15" and 17" notebooks.

 

+1!

I would even prefer the 1080p 120hz G-sync, since I wouldn't be able to power the 4k one, I believe they use less battery, and finally as we've seen actual response times on these high refresh panels have left a lot to be desired, so I think it's more likely the 1080p version would have lower reponse times.

I'm bummed that I'm only seeing the Aorus X5 with that weird 2880x1620 display in the US, their product page lists a 1080p IPS 120hz 5ms G-sync panel as an option which would be amazing if it lived up to its spec.

 

I end up with a p650rsg. Low price, great cooling. It has shortcomings, but so as other alternatives. So far, I think it has the best $/performance.

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Yup, been watching that one too. The Aorus's have been thermally challenged just like all the slim gaming notebooks, but keeping an open mind for their 17" 1080 single:

A7 DT v6
http://www.aorus.com/Product/Features/X7 DT v6

I am not seeing the 1440p screen I heard about listed:

• 120 Hz & 5ms Fastest Gaming Display (optional)
• 4K UHD (3840x2160) IPS Display (optional)

Aorus X7 v6 laptop has GTX 1070 with 1440p 120Hz display
The new Aorus X7 v6 gaming laptop rocks GeForce GTX 1070, and a 17.3-inch 1440p 120Hz display - oh my! Read more: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/53447/aorus-x7-v6-laptop-gtx-1070-1440p-120hz-display/index.html

I do see that 2880x1620 listed for the Aorus 15", but I need a larger screen.

• 3K WQHD+ (2880x1620) IPS Display (optional)

 

Probably why the p640re hasn't refreshed yet. Working on it
In fairness looking at the pics you uploaded. It could handle the 1060. It has a lot of room to redesign the heat pipes. But at the time of that wait. Which of the laptops will come with kaby lake?
A 7 gen i7 sounds better paired with a new 1060.
The ones that will take long to refresh are the aorus x3. Razor blade 14. Msi Gs43.
I think only clevo will randomly have the 7gen quickly because they are a customisable laptop made to order. So the others will need to sell off stock before adding the 7th gen i7.
Trying hard to hold out from a msi gs43 now in favour of hoping to hear a something from clevo.
Need to replace my car. Need something faster like a gpu better laptop upgrade lol. And my iPhone 6 to a 7. I think that's what it is why I want a kaby lake. So I got things that feel new lol.
I have no idea which is coming 1st...


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I'm not sure if IPS as a technology can have a faster minimum time than ~20 ms. We can hope for new VA or PLS displays, but I don't think that IPS can reach much higher

 

There have been 5ms IPS panels for quite some time.

 

If you are thinking of the new 120hz 5ms panels, at least this one isn't measuring out fast enough:

Display - 17.3 inch 16:9, 1920x1080 pixel 127 PPI, LG Philips LP173WF4-SPF3 (LGD04E8), a-Si TFT-LCD, 262K (6bit), CIE1931 72%, G-Sync, glossy: no

"Asus equipped our review unit with a Full HD IPS-panel, which is provided by LG (LP173WF4-SPF3).
...
The screen shows good response rates in our tests, but may be too slow for competitive gamers.

In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.8 (minimum) to 240 (maximum) ms. » 13 % of all devices are better.
This means that the measured response time is better than the average of all tested devices ( 27.9 ms)."

Asus ROG G752VS Notebook Review
Sebastian Bade ( translated by Andreas Osthoff & Martina Osztovits), 08/23/2016
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-G752VS-Notebook-Review.171608.0.html

 

I'm referring to desktop panels. Granted, I haven't looked too much into them either, but you can get 5ms response and GTG entry-level panels last I checked.

 

I just got a P670RS-G with a 6820HK. So excited!

 

Yeah it's weird, but as hmscott points out, the laptop panels are way worse. The GS73VR also showed middling results:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GS73VR-6RF-Notebook-Review.172138.0.html

9.6ms black to white, 28ms GTG.

 

I know, but my point was that the technology is there. Laptops just get the shaft when it comes to hardware specs and pricing.

 

Nice find, another 120 hz "5ms" panel - this one's a TN, not an IPS panel - that's why it's faster, here's more details from that review:

"Display
17.3 inch 16:9, 1920x1080 pixel 127 PPI, TN LED, Name: Chi Mei N173HHE-G32, ID: CMN1747, glossy: no"

"Our test unit is equipped with a 1080p matte panel capable of 120 Hz refresh rates and 5 ms response times. Note that the 120 Hz/5 ms option must be a TN panel, so users will be sacrificing some benefits from an IPS panel. Additional display options include the more standard 1080p IPS screen and a 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) IPS screen that promises 100 percent AdobeRGB coverage to satisfy users who want a better balance between gaming and digital graphics work. Our measurements below speak only of our configuration on hand as these separate IPS options would very likely carry different panels, response times, and even brightness and contrast levels."

"The GS73VR is also the first notebook in our database to carry the Chi Mei N173HHE-G32 panel since MSI is one of the first to offer 120 Hz/5 ms options on notebooks. Certain titles do indeed recognize the 120 Hz panel including Rise of the Tomb Raider and our own measurements confirm black-white and gray-gray response times to be much faster than competing gaming notebooks with the likely exception of the Alienware 13 OLED."

 

I feel sorry for us laptop users for getting this type of refresh rates. At least in theory, because I haven't noticed it yet xD

Well, at least this assures everybody that they don't see nothing over 30 fps on them screens, because anything that is over 30 fps is moving faster than the speed with which the pixels actually change color

At least in theory.

I'm looking forward for those things either way. I just wish they push the technology a bit with IPS on laptops.

I wonder if it's a size constraint.

I also just found out that there is a 25" Dell supercolor 100%adobeRGB for about 500 USD, which actually makes my day better.

 

The laptop 120hz 5ms panels are behaving a bit weirdly, with their distinctly not 5ms response times (as shown by the notebookcheck reviews). Maybe the Clevos will have better ones, or we are stuck with slow panels till the next refresh.

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Well it's not like there's zero change in pixel colors if it's faster than the GTG timing. All that particular spec means is that you won't have a screen flashing gray to full black to gray to full white at higher than that rate. If you watch a video of a black circle moving on a white screen, for example, then an increased WTB/BTW timing just means that the leading edge is going to have a fade-in and the trailing edge will have a fade-out. You could still have a silky-smooth 1KHz refresh rate that'll look fantastic, it'll just have motion blurring in this instance. I overclocked my GT80 panel to 110Hz and it is definitely a very noticeable improvement in smoothness, even though the GTG timing is some 20something ms.

 

I've been wondering, actually, does a, lets say, 20ms response time mean that you can only get 1000ms/20ms = 50 frames per second, or does it mean you can, for example, still get 120 frames per second if your GPU can keep up and the screen is 120hz, but the frames you see are 20ms behind reality? I've been working under the assumption that it is the former.

 

It's a dirty situation XD

You get the number of frames that the display can show.

If the response time is 20 ms, you see approx 50 frames per second, regardless of how many frames your GPU processess, because this is the number of frames that the physical pixels are able to show. They won't refresh faster than this. It's a sad sad world for the fact that they advertise some panels as 60Hz, because they can receive 60 frames in the controller, but the actual pixels don't refresh as fast, so you never see that, or rather, you always see a somewhat ghosted image.

I've made a similar test with a smartphone that has high refresh times on pixels. That phone is named mate 8 from Huawei. The phone is gorgeous, and when testing, the fact that the pixels have a ~35 ms GTG time is not visible, or at least, in my subjective test conditions, I had not noticed a sesizable difference in that video, with which I was familiarized.