*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Bro, you can find problems with everything, which is fun, but not something that makes you able to recommend against anything, unless you are going to recommend against *everything*

All the devices you have mentioned failing for you, work fine for me.

There are incompatibilities with the USB that I had to research, get vendor software (external USB storage) so I could disable their automatic power control - which was causing the disconnects.

I never again had disconnects or any issues with Asus USB ports.

I also always connected powered USB devices. connecting bus power devices in that era would cause problems on many laptops, it was the USB interface support from 3rd party parts that caused that one too.

The router disconnects, IDK, I have out of the box issues with almost all new routers, that are fixed with firmware updates.

The only router I can say truely failed was a Netgear WNDR3700 that finally fried the 2.4ghz radio, I forgot to drop the power after a firmware update - my fault for not being careful with a known weakness in that routers 2.4ghz radio.

Everything has problems, nothing is perfect, you find work arounds and live with it, or find another device with problems and work arounds that fit your personal preferences more.

Even the P870DM has failed you, it's not upgradeable. Everything has "unacceptable" problems, you work around them, and enjoy what you have

 

Sorry that wasnt really my main point it was more about the price to performance but I do wanna address a couple points. A good matte screen doesnt do that, pretty sure he has one now he likes. The USB issues were also real and preveland. Frying a motherboard is also probably rare but pretty ridiculous for service with no replacement options easily available. The rest are pretty valid points.

 

You missed the point of my whole post.

There isn't a one best choice, even in a head to head comparison.

It's a fantasy to believe that all such things end up with *only* one good choice, and if you don't pick the "best one" you are somehow defective in your judgement - it's their choice not yours.

You have come to a conclusion that the Clevo is clearly better, and in their estimation that's not the case, and they are getting something else.

It's how things happen, not everyone is going to agree with you.

 

Hahaha, we over at MSI forum were complaining that MSI laptops needed stronger power bricks to avoid using the Power drawn from the battery. This is the first time i've seen someone had a light complain about too much power haha

I think it's a good idea they are normalizing the connectors because you can use the 230 or the 330w PSU. You will need considerable more power if you overclock.

 

Not what I meant, I wanted to hear your opinion on whats better about the Asus. I would never say there's only one good slim 15" gaming laptop or something, there isn't one answer. I just meant what advantages does the GL502 offer because apparantly I can't see them, while i can see them for almost any other laptop (including other Asus laptops). Edit: They do a decent job offering unique things with their giant laptops, but I don't see it on the GL502 model in specific. I elevated this way way out of proportion by linking Phoenix's post, I was seriously talking about the GL502 (and the USB problems on other models) At 15"s The P650, MSI GE, GS, GT, Gigabyte P35, and Aorus X5 series all have pros and cons and situations where I recommend them. I'm asking where does the Asus GL502 fit into that in your opinion, as it seems to be middle of the road with no real benefits over any others besides aesthetics. Meanwhile Aorus is the thinnest, Gigabyte is a great price, MSI has lots of different options etc, where they beat Clevo handily at different things.

The whole point of this forum practically is finding best fit laptops for people. So for most people their is a "best" for them. But yeah I've always understood there is no best for everything...

 

For me I don't have an opinion fully formed on either, I am looking at the reviews and the results of owners hands on, and it's too early to decide which I would get.

I think it's too early to tell.

Maybe your blind fandom for Clevo clouds your POV, and blinds you to the benefits of the Asus?

First off, ignore the BGA CPU, decide on the functional merits of deliverying a happy gaming experience.

If you can't ignore the BGA CPU in the list of pro's and con's, and it's an automatic fail for you, then your judgement can't be trusted by those that don't care about the BGA CPU being an issue.

It's not uncommon for the mind to pull in pre-prejudices that automatically check off yes/no decisions before your mind has a chance to fully process the actual details.

Our minds have been trained to make quick off the cuff decisions based on pre-programmed prejudices that our mind learns to use as a template for deciding everything.

It's a good example to use as an experiment to train yourself to be more objective and to truly see things from others point of view.

It's well worth exploring one's own programming to remove those mental blocks to clear thinking. There are many such "hacks" to gain enlightenment.

I'd pick the Clevo right now, but that's because I know less about it than the Asus - the Asus would be the comfort choice for me.

 

What? They are both BGA. When did I mention that? I am just talking about gaming experience, and while that would be a factor it doesn't even apply to this. Again, I'm not blind to Asus benefits, just not seeing it in this one case and wanted to hear other opinions. Not trying to be closed minded and I don't think I am being that in this case.

 

Fuuuck, now I want to wait and compare the p650rs-g with an Alienware. Hahahaha

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I think you meant there is no best choice that fits everyone's needs.

There is indeed a best for each and every thing for each person, it's those choices that makes up our own lives.

 

See, I mention BGA and you have an immediate reaction. Whether it has BGA or not doesn't matter.

You have a trigger on BGA, maybe you aren't happy that your Clevo choice has BGA as well?

Like I said, I know less about the Clevo, I didn't even look to see if it had BGA or LGA, I just assumed it did based on all the BGA hate from the Clevo camp I see every day, multiple times a day.

I guess I'd suggest letting it go and let him pick an Asus laptop and he can be happy, and you can pick a Clevo laptop and you can be happy.

Arguing about the inarguable - personal taste - is a furious circle of non-termination, maybe stop so we can move on to another topic?

 

Okay I said good valued, not best... Please make sure you can read properly before "quoting" me bruh


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This page suggests that alienware is going to refresh their whole line. So that means a 13 inch right?

http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b...e-prepares-to-hit-the-road-with-nvidia-pascal

So will it be a 1050 or a 1060, maybe a 1060ti, in the 13 inch?

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In that case, I totally respect MSI for listening to their target audience and providing them what they want, and not listening someone like me. Good point on the connector as well, although I'm still not a fan of the 4 pin connector.

I'm also not a fan of USB where I attempt to plug it in one way and it doesn't fit, plug it in a different way it doesn't fit, attempt to plug it in the same way as the first attempt only to discover time and space has changed and the USB now fits in correctly. Thankfully wizards have come up with 3.1 Type C to help out with this daily struggle.

EDIT:
I was also going to make a comment about being conscious of electrical usage, but the difference between a full power of a 180W and 230W isn't going to break the bank... unless it's a piggy bank.

 

Bump?

 

I know but i wanted to reply to the whole post. To me the best solution is to find a balance between price and performance. I know there are very good matte screens out there, but the point is you can't just stick on what people say, 'cause everyone has a different perception. You have to watch many video reviews, written reviews, screen tests etc. and, if you have the chance, you should watch it exposed on a shop and not only online. I trust him about his notebooks issues, was just pointing out he could have solved those differently without having this long and bad experience. Frying a motherboard is unacceptable that's why i wanted to know if it was an Asus official support center or just an authorized one. The lack of replacement options makes me think about the latter.

I can answer to this 'cause i own a GL502VT, which is pretty identical to the VY ,VM ,VS except for the GPU/CPU combination, screen and battery life. Just to clear it out am not an Asus fan (actually this is my first Asus laptop).

The advantages are:

- The price (or the balance between price/performance). It's quite surprising they put inside powerful gpus and managed to keep a low price. Anyway the price depends also from the retailer. I bought my laptop 1300€ while many other retailers sell it at 1650€ (Asus Store included). As far as i know the new VM and VS models are cheap as well. Imho the laptop doesn't deserve 1600€ but 1300 it's the best balanced price.
- The lightness. I am coming from an old 3.7kg Toshiba. I can grab this laptop and move it around with one hand without any effort. I am unaware of other laptops weight but i think Asus did a great job on this.
- The thinness. Again, i don't know how good it is compared to other laptops, but i can see it's really thin.
- The build quality. Despite its thinness and lightness the laptop is pretty solid and doesn't feel "cheap".
- The screen. It's a 1080p IPS screen, almost perfect color accuracy, contrast and brightness. I saw it many times on reviews etc before buying cause I needed a good one for video editing as well.
- The hardware itself. In my case i7 6700hq, gtx 970m 3gb vram, 128gb ssd, 1tb hd 7200rpm, 16gb ram ddr4 2133Mhz, 3 (real) USB ports 3.0, 1 (real) USB port 3.1 Type C gen 2. It was the best hardware i could find at this price (not only from Asus). It depends a lot from where do you live. US laptops have way better hardware related to the price.
- The cooling system isn't noisy.
- I bought it on Amazon which means 1 year (perhaps even 2) of guaranteed warranty without having to argue with Asus support service.
- You can upgrade both RAM (up to 24gb on VT, 32gb on VY) and storage just removing ten screws. Fans are easy to clean as well.
- The battery. Goes up to 6 hours of web surfing.
- No throttle.

What i don't like:

- The sound. Just horrible. Maybe it's cause I come from a Laptop with Harman/Kardon + Dolby Audio system. I read many people saying that sound is "ok" (idk what it means). I had to tweak some audio settings to make it sound "normal" (there's no subwoofer btw).
- The keyboard. It's not so bad and it has a red backlight, but it's not so good as well. Keys feel weak.
- The screen has some backlight bleed on the bottom. It's a little bit annoying but it's hard to find a screen with no backlight bleed at all.
- Optimus. Huge pain in the ass for the performance but really good for battery.
- It feels hot while gaming. Talking about external temps, if you touch above the keyboard you may risk getting burned (not kidding). The rest of the notebook instead is really cool. Internal temps are ok. GPU temps are perfect (in the 70s) and i even overclocked it. CPU temps are a bit higher than expected (above 80). Undervolted it and now it runs good (mid 70).
- No optical drive.

So here it is. It's not a perfect laptop but it's the best i have found for the price and after dealing with those problems and overclocking the gpu i think it's a beast of a laptop.

 

I posted a pic of the GL502's heat map earlier in the thread. I'd rather not own a laptop that can blister my skin while under load.

 

It's a thin laptop with a 1070, all such laptops are going generate a lot of heat and are going to get hot.

Running an hour burn in test is "not recommended" on any laptop, especially one pushing the limits of thermal design.

Stop doing such abusive tests.

It's not even recommended on laptops with lots of space for cooling and plenty of fans to expel heat. It can do a better job if it's designed for continuous duty cycle operation.

A slim gaming laptop with a high end GPU is a wonder device. It's a wonder it can function, don't push your luck running high 100% CPU/GPU for hours at a time.

 

Bro, There are only three things that count when you choosing a laptop Socket hardware, good enough cooling and good enough firmware - for maximum Overclock (Fully unlocked). You do not need more Oh' forgot... +120Hz screen

 

My bad I was assuming you meant best as a lot of people imply that. Totally on me.

Ok... So final response on this. I was on my phone until this point so I sincerely apologize about my wording. The tone I was trying to come across with didn't really portray accurately at all. My initial post comparing the two was my most passionate because I misinterpreted what birdyhands meant, and was sick and tired of that arguement, which it turns out he didn't even mean so again my fault. All the ones after though I was not heated or "triggered". When you mentioned BGA for example, I wasn't annoyed, I have no issue with my parts being soldered, as I was never planning to upgrade them in the first place. You just misunderstood my tone (to be fair it was poorly worded it sounds confrontational to me too looking back I was impatient on my phone)

You made my day with the prejudice and objectivity comments, it felt like talking with a philosophy professor ;p. But seriously I know that and utilize that all the time. I've personally had a great experience with my Asus machines. But I try and ignore anecdotal evidence. (Yes I get the irony Pheonix's post is as well it seemed exceptional, @Chewingum had a great counter arguement!). Anyway my point is, I don't have any inherent biases against Asus or any other company really. They all have a place and yes I meant there is no perfect laptop for everyone not everything that was a typo. You said yourself you've owned 7 Asus laptops, so I find it hard to believe you yourself have no bias either. Regardless, I've been watching numbers of complaints and issues this last year, and maybe I should run the actual numbers or something but Asus by a decent margin has had the most complaints across this forum and more specific ones from my own memory. I realize I haven't really been able to account for total volume of sales, and I haven't been able to isolate Asus's market share to just their gaming lines as other wise they sell way more than say MSI (but is that true for high end gaming laptops?).

But it feels like more often than other brands I''m reading about issues with Asus. My IT friends also tended to agree with me that they seemed to have more machines with failures unrelated to like an HDD or RAM or something. Again I'm not 100% confident in this information, and I'd love to see real numbers but no one seems to have any. The USB port problem was a known issue though, and for example when monitor shopping the Acer XB271HK vs Asus PG27AQ, the Asus got terrible ratings for backlight bleed which steered me towards the Acer. So your right, I do have a bias against them, but I'm pretty sure its because of the numbers. They also have terrible customer support across the board for the most part. While I've enjoyed their products... I have not enjoyed calling them and neither have other people. (I see posts all the time about great RMA experiences, have you seen many about Asus? Usually its EVGA, HIDEvolution, XoticPC etc...) I never hear them win for that category. (Though I don't think they are the worst... Razer is a ***** sometimes)

The question I was trying to pose to you to get a direct answer about (because I was curious not fanboying) is what unique advantages a GL502 has over the P650RP. I meant this because I can name them easily comparing other models. A GT62 is built a bit better and has a sweet DAC, an Aorus X5 is slimmer etc... But I couldn't think of any for the comparison I was making to the GL502. To be fair I also can't think of many for an Alienware 15. But even then, Alienware crushes it in battery life. Overall, I wasn't trying to start a flamewar or say "Clevo Master Race!" or some bs, I just genuinely asking for the advantages of the GL502 since I couldn't really think of any.

 

1060 is only ~75W.. there's a ton of 14's with 75W GPU.

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Thanks! So while not all of those are advantages over a P650RP (like build quality or hardware or price) you did give me some good ones! Noise was definitely one that slipped my mind, as was weight. As it turns out, it does beat the Clevo in that as well by .6lbs. It also does beat the Clevo in thinness by like .05 but I wasn't paying much attention to that one as the 1070 loses to the 650RS by more than that so they trade blows depending on gpus. Great answer thanks a lot!

 

I'm betting a 1060, because a) the lower end models have not been released and b) the 13 was too under-powered last time in the CPU and GPU for its weight. Not sure what you mean by 1060ti, don't think we are expecting anything like that.

Just to be clear, the VT is not identical to the VY, VM and VS. The VY and VS are ~6mm thicker and a tiny bit heavier. On the bright side, the VM and VS both have GSYNC and thus no Optimus this time!

For those of you interested about Acer news I saw this:
http://laptopmedia.com/news/acer-an...redator-17-g9-793-with-geforce-gtx-1060-1070/

And for those of you who are interested in Gigabyte I found this review (it's not great but it's something... seems the machine is throttling badly or has driver problems):
http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/gigabyte-p55w-v6-pc3d

 

I'm betting not, and that it'd more likely be a 1050/1050 Ti/1055. @D2 Ultima was right - I was wrong not to believe him, that Pascal runs hot. Pascal is a fusion reactor. Even 15" notebooks with the 1060 reach their temperature targets and downclock their GPUs.

 

Either design better cooling, or up with the thickness of the laptop. Pretty obvious

 

My 13" notebook can barely handle the combined load of a 4710MQ and GTX 860M. And mine is a pretty thick notebook...

 

Its extremely small/light for a 230w IMO. I've had 180w adapters that were larger. I also love how secure it feels when plugged in. No more worries about that damn "NOS" BS even when I'm overclocking. Even the 1070 should be easily handled.

 

I love my AW 15 r2. Beautiful 4k screen, 6820hk and 980m 8gb. Build quality is absolutely amazing. I am replacing this system with the P650RS-G in about 10 days....maybe.

 

It is possible to make the cooling better or make a better internal design. Will work even better in a thick than thin laptop It is an abomination that ODM/OEMs save money on the most important in a notebook... Put in $10 usd and you will get a better cooling.

 

I just checked their website they still want full retail for the alienware. They're crazy.

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True, but at the rate I see things, it sounds like 14" is the minimum. The GS43VR has some decent cooling and temperatures, but go an inch smaller and I doubt any 13" machine with a GTX 1060 would be able to get 70°C load temperatures.

 

I would bet the only 13" period with a 1060 would be the Aorus X3 unless a new chassis comes out.

 

Internal design also has an impact on the cooling. Not all of the notebook models out there is good enough.

 

Even then, the Aorus X3 is a 13.9" device, 13.9 ≈ 14.

 

Performance will suffer if ODM / OEM's saving money on cooling or make the laptop model prettier / thinner. Everything has a price

 

Ha, if you bought my setup online it would cost around $2,500. Call and beat them down on the price and it comes out to around $1,800. That was in December too, so it would probably be much cheaper in advance of the new releases.

 

I think that as far as cooling goes, volume of the machine is important, as is weight. Therefore, if you have a brick like the Alienware 13, a brick that weighs more than the GS63 in its current form with a 1060, and has a thickness that is 1cm/half an inch greater than the GS63, there is absolutely no way or reason that they can't get a 1060 in there. Anyway, that's what my money is on, we shall see in a week

 

Here are internal shots of two of (probably) the most popular 13" machines with a GTX 960M:

Clevo W230SD:


Alienware 13:


Tell me - does anyone think either of these are capable of handling a 6700HQ/6820HK and a 1060 at full tilt, without throttling?

EDIT: for posterity, added the GS40, P640RE, Razer Blade and Aorus X3 as well.

GS40:


P640RE:


Razer Blade:


Aorus X3:

 

No sir, not with that design. However the Alienware folks aren't stupid, and they can see what their competition is doing, so I think it's far more likely they will step up to the plate... Or cancel the 13 all together.

Edit - well now that you've included the 970M-equipped laptops, I feel that my case is even stronger. Look at that AORUS, kept the machine from throttling, and with a *much* thinner profile, same width and a little more depth.

 

Do not forget that 6820Hk not necessarily say that OEM's want to allow overclocking in some of their laptop models... This chips still have same 45W TDP, as the more crippled 6700Hq. And ODM/OEM's can cripple the max load from 1060!!

 

@PMF, @Papusan - edited my post.

I think it's quite clear why the GS40 was remade with the 1060 - four heatpipes from the GPU; three of those dedicated.

 

As I said... Better cooling will allow the use of better hardware. But ODM / OEM's can reduce the performance in their models. Nvidia allow this and an i7-6820HK can have restrictions on max 45W in firmware. Sky has no limit

 

Well-said. I don't care much for CPU overclocking, but the GPU in any well-cooled machine must be able to take a +200-250 MHz OC. Two fans and three dedicated GPU heatpipes are a minimum.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Strix-GL502VS-Notebook-Review.171567.0.html

Seems to be loud and a bit hot, but otherwise its got a solid review.

 

While we're on the subject of cooling small laptops with Pascal GPUs, here's a clear picture of the GS43VR's internals.

 

Our test model today is one of two Strix GL502 SKUs, more precisely the GL502VS. The other model has the designation GL502VM and is equipped with the significantly slower Pascal GPU GTX 1060. It is, however, 6.6 mm thinner as well as 100 grams lighter in return, and is – contrary to the VS model – equipped with a Thunderbolt 3 port.

Battery sucks. 3 hours of web surfing against 6 hours of the VT. But yet, it is understandable. The VS is truly a beast but imho the VM could really be one of the best price / performance laptops with Pascal gpus (and Thunderbolt 3).

 

Alienware is DEAD, Repeat - DEAD (post 2013)
Please don't bring that ABOMINATION, they just don't deserve even a pixel on your screens. No MUX (I think they were Industry's first to implement it, MSI followed later) they disposed off the MUX for what ? IDK. Clevo has a MUX where you can switch with iGPU and dGPU with the Pascal lineup. Also they are too late to party as well, Acer has new Predators coming and they look sick and we all know AVP

You can checkout Cass'-Ole's posts on DT releases about the feat they pulled out shamelessly & AMA, BIOS, PSU, Throttle, AW18 Maxwell fiasco etc, So many threads have been closed in the AWsubforum lol...

P.S- Sorry for the OT, I couldn't resist. Because we Alienware customers have got multiple backstabs.

 

Haha, don't worry they don't get us, but I also don't get how your computer can stay at one place all the time . Each

Yes it's a shame, i was really looking forward for a AW15 pascal but after reading everything they did in the past years to limit the possibilities of their customers (that often pay a LOT), i changed to clevo pascal. But let's not start another alien debate or this thread will be closed ^^ !

 

Barely anything changed from the GS40, then. Still, the three dedicated GPU heat pipes look good.

 

Is drawing power from battery really bad thing? Is it any difference than using the laptop on battery? I dont think it harms any components inside...

 

What do you guys think are we gonna see gtx 1080 in asus g752vs laptop? Should I wait or buy g752vs now with 1070?

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