*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Hahha so true!! I doubt we will see a i7 quad there since Azor likes retarding his new AW machines.. What a moron he is..

Yes Yes Yes! Its Razer we are talking about!!!!

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I guess the question is; when will we see 1060/1070 laptops that are not extremely hot. I know my 1070 experience was rough. I was thinking about the MSI gs43vr but the derps over at amazon brag about how great the laptop is but judge temps on warm, warmest, HOT. It's frustrating when trying to buy a product and the reviewers of said product are ignorant of the issues people want to know about.

I read in this thread someone mention 84°c?

 

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/652808-razer-blade-or-desktop/?do=findComment&comment=8383623


Don't waste your time. 70fps capped 1080p overwatch sitting at 93c constant on the 1060. Probably throttling so hard it's doing worse than the 970M it replaced.

Edit: I'm tired and said "1080p" twice.

 

Jesus! Thanks for the heads up. That is crazy hot for 70fps Overwatch. Guess that's off my list of potential picks. Now I can only hope that Gigabyte has figured out its cooling for the Aero 14. Unlikely, but a man can dream, right?

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Is it really possible that it can be worse than 970m? A quick notebookcheck search says 970m can only push 62fps on ultra 1080p(but with i7-4700hq) which means its still better than a 970m.

 

The Aero 14 will probably be even more overheatable...

Guys, the main thing to remember is Asus and MSI stock paste and generally all brands IMO is crap.. You need to repaste.. I'm sure that if you bought the GS40 from a reseller like Gentech, have them repaste it, you'll be fine.. Did that with my G73JH and temps were fine even after 3 years.. A proper repaste and at worst, slightly elevating the back should fix any issues.. As long as its not as thin as GS60 or the Aero 14..

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Ok, fair enough. What sort of performance will the 1050/1050Ti have? Any ideas about their release date? And will they overheat in thin and light laptops?

I'm looking for a sub-2kg laptop that is portable, has good battery life, stays quiet and cool and is reasonably powerful (for light photoshop, corel draw, light to medium gaming [CoD, BF, NFS, etc. {I don't mind reducing resolution/settings}], word processing, Web browsing, etc.). Even if it only has 965M-970M performance, it's ok, but portability matters. I'm willing to compromise on thickness for cooling and acoustics. Any help will be appreciated.

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So I'm using the Windows 10 installed driver for the P670RS-G since as far as I can tell there is no drivers for Windows 7. Sager's site doesn't list them, and the CD my device shipped with doesn't have them. Strange since really the only update from the P670RE3 was the GPU... Maybe the USB 3.1 and new motherboard changed it enough to not get W7 drivers...?

In other news, the instability of the system continues to be an issue. A lot of crashes such as not even being able to get into Nuka world in FO4, a lot of hangs in DotA and WoW: Legion. The best driver after fairly extensive testing including the driver that Sager sent over with the system is still sadly Windows 10's self installed driver, and even that crashes a bit. Far less than the others, but enough that I can't game for an hour straight without an issue. Starting to wonder if it's the card...

 

I totally agree with you that the amount of delay is beyond ridiculous! However you did get it a little wrong - they said that the 15 and 17 (with 1070) will be available to order Sep 30th. November was only for the 13".

Everything I've seen points to a quad core this time, can't be certain if i5 or i7 but almost definitely quad core. Would be willing to bet on that

 

NO OC tab in bios???????

 

LOL looks like they added the haptics port back in????
Looks almost the same as the gt80s in terms of ports and everything... I don't see a huge diff. in cooling either. If anything, cpu cooling looks worse

 

Razer always has horrible temps... From both experience, and from what i have seen, their systems tend to burn out in under 6 months with minimal usage...

 

what paste to use? I had issues when I asked XoticPc to paste my gt80s with clu--it elevated the temps of a single core while reducing the other cores by 10C, effectively ruining and crippling the laptop...I had them rebuild me a new laptop without clu but lost my money on the clu upgrade

 

Mine that's gamed for thousands of hours for over 2yrs begs to differ.

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No. Aero 14 will be as bad or worse. Their P34x overheated 970Ms far more easily than Razer's 14" did (though an end-user repaste may have helped greatly, but I won't bet on that as a "chance" to tell someone to buy one) and their Aero 14 I believe is a similar case. Either way, it's far too thin to cool a 1060. Even if they made use of most of the notebook. The GS43VR from MSI that I tore into is a pretty good example of the problem with those form factors even if you shove excess cooling onto it.

Notebookcheck's benchmarks are often below the average for many users, really. That being said, I believe I've managed to hit around 60fps on "epic" on single GPU in OW, and a 970M is a stronger card than one of my 780Ms by a decent margin.

If that was the case, you should just apply CLU yourself and keep reapplying until it works. I had to do that at one point. Eventually you'll get the trick down. I have about a 3 degree variance under load among my cores, it's pretty good..

Also, please try to group up your posts into one larger one rather than posting 3-4 times in a row without any replies inbetween.

 

Ive no experience of razor blade. But I guess your part of the other lot that hasn't been unfortunate. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen because it hasn't happened to you.
There's lots of galaxy note s7 users that has had their phone set on fire whilst charging. Doesn't mean that it won't happen. Just that it hasn't happened to you...yet


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Let's not sit here and act like they majority of blades are dying in ~6mos. That's just wild speculation and FUD backed up by zero facts.

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So AW put a 1060 into 13"!? Is that the official spec?
How will that ever run properly...

EDIT: This is a real question. Does their own announcement state 1060?

 

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*dies of out of breath from laughter*

On another note, I only needed to refresh the forum 9 times before it showed up in an un-broken format. I think the site being borked is getting better guys! Last night I had to try 15 times at one point!

 

Considering last gen... it will run like a toaster, burn your lap and sound like a 747 taking off

 

I'm really getting annoyed by it as well. So annoyed that I downloaded Tapatalk to be able to read in an unbroken format.


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So what say you fine folks. Get the MSI GS43VR from Gentech/Xotic and have them do a repaste? I'm kind of in a pickle. School has started and l need something for when I'm studying away from home that I can game on to relax as well. I'm half tempted to see if I fare better with the Asus RoG gl502vs from Gentech/Xotic with a repaste.

 

Yep. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3114...-new-laptops-with-gtx-10-series-graphics.html
That said, the official blog post and Facebook album only says 10-series.

 

Depends how small you want to go. If you want under 15.6...yes GS43 is nice, if you want 15.6 there are better options like GS6XVR but the rog is decent too.

 

THX, that's more like it...looks like PCWorld just got ahead of themselves?!
There are going to be more than just 3 mobile Pascal...

 

I had the Asus. I did like it. But had to RMA it. I like the size of the GS43 but a 1070 is quite a bit better than a 1060.

 

MAXWELL PASCAL
Mid-range
GeForce GTX 950M>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1040
GeForce GTX 960M>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1050
GeForce GTX 965M>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1050 Ti
High-end
GeForce GTX 970M>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1060
GeForce GTX 980M>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1070
Enthusiast GeForce GTX 980 "Notebook">>> 1080
GeForce GTX 980 Ti>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1080 Ti (Notebook but sli not supported)

SIR is it somewhere close to this

 

https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...-vs-razer-blade-14-both-1060/#comment-8350735

I would avoid the GS43VR. Seems to have extremely questionable design. I feel the design flaws I touched on in that post will kill the longevity of the machine.

If you're looking for Pascal, I haven't seen anything other than the Clevo models that keep temperatures and clocks under control. You should be looking for a P650RP6. From a Prema partner shop too.

 

I think you got the signs wrong...

@cj_miranda23

 

Just trying to speculate nothing serious.

 

Hello @Prema
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Q: wonder if it will have 1060 or 1070
A: (AlienBook Personnel) 13 will currently scale up to the GTX 1060

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1060 in A13 is an easily found search term in google, with several review sites calling it a viable option

Spoiler: FazorBlades

In this Jailienware world debut video, where 1080 will serve a life sentence without parole in Cell Block 17, 1070 in 15 & assume 1060 in 13, within one minute of debut, we're told this: "you can expect zero throttling, zero performance compromises out of these brand new notebooks". Notebooks plural, across-the-board blanket statement. I'll let the readership ponder the meaning & definition of the word 'expect', as well as the rest

On a side note, BGAware's 1080, from Hands on: A17
"Alienware has made some bold claims that it's 17-inch gaming laptop will be able to tap into the full 150W power of the 1080 while other companies have only achieved 120W performance".
From BGAware: 'We could make thinner laptops, but we don't feel that benefit right now' (Pascal won't allow it); Prison Warden Frank Azor on the prowess of his FazorBlade: "What you may find is that some companies may take the 1080 chip and underclock it, then put it into a product and advertise it as a standard 1080. That's not something we're doing with these notebooks - they operate at the full operating criteria for the CPU and GPU, which is 150watts". Of course we have your input on the MXM card:

Last, a forum member is at PAX 2016 & passed this on from an in-person talk with the Aliens regarding BGA1080:

Inquiring Minds would like to hear your thoughts Mr Magic, on a 150w 1080, 'zero throttling + zero performance compromises', at your leisure my good man

cooling solution @1:45 en español / português / portuñol
it is possible this is CellBlock 15

above, photo capture of video, from 2minute mark: click me if photo fails to display
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these unpainted & painted copper engineering samples we're seeing can not tell us which type will make it to production

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Head's Up from D2Ultima & online reviews: 'Unfortunately, the thinner design has also resulted in a gaming laptop that's a bit longer from the front to back end. As a result, this squarer machine might not fit in your backpack designed for traditional 17-inch notebooks'

 

Well... could be worse lol. Look at the GS63 @ 0:50. I swear laptops that have their motherboards facing the otherside is the worst design ever, what's the point of the removable backcover then?

 

Yes, the 1060 in the 13 is official (from the various websites + the launch announcement and video of Frank Azor etc - they said it all 3 will be ready for "premium" VR i.e. Vive and Oculus, so that means 1060 minimum). They are also promising overclocking, and faster performance than competitors from the same cards.

Considering machines like the Blade, Aorus X3 and so on, I don't see why you think a 1060 is at all surprising in the 13", which is 50% heavier and way chunkier.

 

Design Power of mobile 1080 is 125W+, which means scalable.
e.g. Clevo uses 190W (TGP) and MSI again has two different designs, with their single GPU having a higher rating than their SLI model...

He is very much right about 1080 ≠ 1080

Edit:

Also keep in mind that MXM > TGP (entire board incl. vRAM etc) can't be compared 1:1 to BGA TDP (chip only) numbers.

 

I just looked that up. The 1060 model has a nice price. The Clevo has good (better) cooling? I need to use my googles but you cats seem to be far more knowledgeable than the 30 pages of tripe that the googles throws at you.
http://www.gentechpc.com/Sager-NP8152-S-Clevo-P650RP6-G-nVidia-GTX-1060-p/sager-np8152-s.htm

 

I mean... if they downsize a card that much, it's not even worth naming it with the name anymore... Getting the power from 180W to 125W, means that they cut a lot of the performance down... maybe they cut enough for that card to be an 1060... I'm not sure it would be able to theoretically provide the performance of an 1070 with that little power..

 

Erm. I don't even know
MSI is disappointing this gen. More than usual. He said he was hitting 95fps in overwatch at max (though he was at around 130 in the small shot he showed, albeit with almost nothing on the screen). If that's the case, he is throttling pretty hard, despite temps being lower. A mobile 1060 is better than my 780M SLI (or it should be) which give or take encroaches around a 970's performance. My 780M SLI doesn't go below around 111fps (and this is very rare too, usually with extremely long lines of sight meaning lots of map to render, or with huge amounts of explosions etc going on) on the Epic preset. This too, is in borderless windowed, with my system already in this state before I launch it:

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meaning that I'm not exactly "performance hunting" like many others are for these kinds of tests. Then add the SLI overhead to that fact, and... well you understand how the 1060 is running. It's not doing well. It's probably closer to a single 980M than anything else, which is REALLY bad in terms of performance. It should be on average about 30% faster than a 980M when boosting decently.

LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. I'll believe it when I see it. Honestly as far a cry from their previous state as AW have gone, they've never directly had problems with temperatures, so I'll *actually* adopt a wait-and-see tactic for this new AW13. However, I expect nothing.

And the Blade and Aorus can't cool worth a bloody damn, and are overheating wastes of cash. I don't find it surprising that many people are attempting to successfully shove a 1060 into 13" and 14" formats... I expected it would happen. What I do find it is, however, is bloody hilarious and on-par with this article which was featured in the above screenshot but blocked by my task manager http://theairhorn.com/technology/apple-announces-new-macbook-pro-will-able-play-games-2012

Yeah, google won't take you anywhere useful unless you know exactly what you're attempting to search for when it comes to laptops (and even if you DO know, it doesn't mean it's tagged properly either, so you may still need to come and ask). What us NBR cats (and resident magical phoenix @Prema) have learned is how to search for the information we want. It's not something we know how to teach either, it's like a developed instinct =D.

No offense to GentechPC, but if they're not a Prema partner, then I don't consider them as being a place to buy from. I'd recommend HIDevolution or Mythlogic if in the US, or Eurocom if in Canada. The rest of the partner shops I don't remember too well but can be found here: https://biosmods.wordpress.com/partner/ depending on where you live. Also, Metabox I've heard is or was planning to partner with him as well, so that satisfies Australia (or it will, at some point in the future).

Edit: And YES folks I regularly use 12GB of RAM without even launching a game. I use a lot of websites multiple times a day.

 

I thought you were having battery and instant shutoff issues

 

Gone through more than 5 Razer blade pros in two years and it's not even like I'm a heavy gamer or anything (like only 2hours of videogames a week max)

 

Wifi adapter is probably intel ac3165

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/wireless-products/dual-band-wireless-ac-3165-brief.html

If we check here its operating temperature is 0 to 80C and that pascal gpu would reach 90s so its kinda worrying for the wifi adapter.

 

You don't need Killer wireless to have ****ty WiFi now

 

Yes, exactly. Granted I don't expect the actual heatpipes to be 90c I suppose, however it's still an EXTREMELY worrying solution, and in hotter climates it's much more likely to break the hardware.

The machine is a disaster in design is my judgement.

 

NotebookCheck has review of Acer Predator 17 with GTX 1070 on their German site:

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Acer-Predator-17-G9-793-Notebook.171896.0.html

Seems to be terrible design. Despite being thick and heavy, it still manages to get CPU to 98 C.

Firestrike graphics score is the lowest from all tested GTX 1070 notebooks, so even GPU isn't cooled properly and it throttles.

 

In chassis that small everything is going to be bumping up against or over other components. IDK if it's possible to avoid such proximity in such a small space - and still follow the design rules for distance from other components - keeping them close.

Although the heatpipes and heat plate are near other components, it would be good to measure those components during load test runs to see if they get heated up outside their safe operating range - like that Wifi chipset.

The Pascal GPU's are at once advertised as more power efficient and spec'd with higher power draw and thermal output. It's a confusing mix for some to wrap their heads around.

They run hotter and need more cooling, and more power.

Thin and light chassis are going to under-perform the GPU's potential.

Large frame chassis, 17" screens to go with them, and fat cooling improvements as you ramp up the GPU from 1060, to 1070, to 1080 - with the 1070/1080 both needing lots more cooling than the 1060.

Benchmarks well selected and run may make some laptops look better than they will perform with games during hours of play.

That's why I have been suggesting to wait before buying sight unseen, we need to see actual performance in owners hands while gaming to know which laptops perform well / best.

This may take a good deal of patience (months), as it usually takes a while for the stardust to fade from the eye's of new owners and get well run results reported. We also need to see several reports, as owner experience and technique vary.

It's easy to praise, or condemn quickly, but we need longer term well run tests considering influence of environment and test methods, and verification of off-the-cuff estimates or extrapolations based on limited information.

 

Me neither but its proximity to the gpu and the fact that a heat pipe goes right on top of it makes it worrying on long term.

 

yes, very much so.

 

what makes you think killer is ****ty.. the 1535 is great. the only ****ty card i ever had was (again) in the razer (1202 had micro lag spikes)

You cant pin both major network card makers as being ****ty cause in that case there's almost nobody to compare them to.

 

I was really hoping the gt80 would get a better lubricated keyboard (my friends told me its not lubricated and needs to be), a multicolor keyboard (esential for the average high end mechanical keyboard), and possibly the dragon etching could be made see through and glow



lol for some reason when im not plugged in this site lags like crazy

 

Its just a bad idea to have a program for system control that shows led configuration as a tab and doesn't let you configure and change colors (GT83). It just looks plain bad -- and its just as embarrassing for the laptop's owners as it is for MSI (leads to bad rep).

@MSI Myco @MSI Natalie @MSIGeno

 

I completely agree, I don't expect anything special from the AW13 (one can hope, though, given they made it so much heavier than competitors), and moreover, I can't wait until November for it. Moreover, you can still get better performance from a slightly throttling 1070 than an unburdened 1060, right?

As for the Blade and Aorus not being able to cool a bloody damn, first off I would not lump them together, and secondly they are not as bad as is often said here. AFAIK, the Blade is known for pretty bad throttling, but the Aorus does better. The notebookcheck article on the latest (970M) one said the CPU doesn't throttle and the GPU does a tiny bit only with unrealistic loads. Moreover, even with that said, of the 36 970M notebooks they have reviewed, even the Blade is only 2% slower than the average in Fire Strike, and 35 of 36 models came in within 5% of each other (the exception being, ironically, the MSI GS60 which did a lot better than every other model, it was the Xotic edition one). The big BUT moment comes with noise: the Blade is super loud, as far as I know, that alone kills it for me.

Will this change and will the gap get wider since the 1060 is apparently hotter? Could be. Right now notebookcheck only has 4 benchmarked, the XMG (Clevo) does the worst, and again somewhat ironically the GS43 wins (not a Xotic one, plain vanilla this time). The spread is about 6.x% right now score-wise, but that's really with the XMG one doing worse at the bottom. I have yet to see a 1060 laptop really distance itself from the pack.