*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

People buy thin and flimsy, later they find Throttlestop guide on the web, start posting questions like why their new baby can't hold clockspeed or whatsoever

 

Sadly I have only heard horrible things about One.de, and you are kinda stuck with German keyboard layout when buying from them, also that price is totally unconfigured with an i3, 4gb of ram, 500gb HDD, PCspecialist actually have it cheaper when it is up on their website, which it isn't always for some reason .

 

Old: Height: 1.35 in (34.4mm) │ width: 16.93 (430 mm) │ depth: 11.49 in (291.9 mm) │ Starting at weight: 8.33Lbs. (3.78 Kg.)
New: Height: 1.181 inches (29.9mm) | Width: 16.7 inches (424mm) | Depth: 13.1 inches (332mm) | Average Weight: 9.74 lbs (4.42 kg)

I think no one loses sight of this, at least not on this forum. I want thin and light, but if I got better performance and cooler temps with a few ounces I'd jump on it. Unfortunately, we are not talking ounces. We are talking the 1060-equipped Alienware 13" weighing about the same as an Asus 15" GL502VS with a 1070. That's pretty ridiculous, IMO.

No, we want the thinnest and lightest possible without throttling... Your post a few pages back that said something like "ONLY big laptops" kinda gave away your position, but I would encourage you to realize that different people want different things, and it is certainly my hope that there is something for everyone.

 

Yeah, I know different people want different things... But don't complain afterwards if the performance and cooling isn't what you expected

 

The tech isn't there to give thinner and lighter without gimping the firmware, the hardware, or the cooling (or some combination of all three). You choose to focus on weight rather than mentioning weight alongside notes on performance, giving your position away.

I do agree people want different things, but without actually mentioning all factors, including sound levels of the two machines, benchmarks, and weight, you are making an inaccurate comparison of what may be compromised. Regardless of my personal preference, I do not condemn unless people push thinner and lighter blindly without all information being presented. Let's say that heat constraints cause the 1070 to throttle more and be limited by the cpu speed causing the difference between the Alienware to be less than the market would expect. Or, in contra, to outperform others in a 13" class, rather than comparing 13 and 15" where the cooling doesn't have to be as compact... But yes, keep on saying thinner and lighter with no other data but weight...

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But thinner and lighter sucks, especially with the Pascal GPUs putting out heat like they do...

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I never would, and anyone that does that didn't do their research and only have themselves to blame. I might make an exception for the early adopters to some extent, but they too know the risks they take.

I didn't give my position away, I explicitly stated it: people want different things and I hope that everyone gets what they are looking for. That is my position. I do use hyperbole like "ONLY thin and light laptops!" and "MXM sucks" because I think such extremism is neither rational, nor productive. I actually feel for the folks that want desktop CPUs and MXM in their notebooks, even if I would never buy one and think that those systems make no sense for me.

I do not do what you said either, i.e. push thinner and lighter blindly. I would give very good odds that Alienware's 13" 1060 will be closer to ASUS's (or Sager's, or Aorus's) 1070 models than expected, as you put it, because the former will likely have more breathing room while the latter may have throttling issues. However, I would also give very good odds that it will still be significantly slower than the 1070s. I think your "keep on saying thinner and lighter with no other data but weight" came from nowhere, because I did not state anything of the kind anywhere (literally 2 posts above yours in mine I said I'd take a bit more weight for better cooling and that I want as thin and light as possible as long as it didn't throttle).

 

Here is a response from @GenTechPC from a short time ago, talking about the "Warranty Sticker" comment they put in their videos:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-nvidia-gtx-1080s.794897/page-3#post-10314793

 

You really don't want to go there.

HDR is coming - 10bit minimum, 12bit recommended as well as 1000nits, but I don't think that they'll catch on the later with the current display technologies.

The 10bit ones are 1.07 billion.

Yes, the DreamColor/PremierColors are 50pin LVDS + 20pin backlight, the only exception is the 8730w's DreamColor, which is 8bit (40pin LVDS + 20pin backlight).

Exactly and Windows is not really good at dealing with the extra pixels, so it's total waste for me - neither I can get the sharp image that Macs do, nor I can make use of all the pixels.

These 120 pixels (for a 1920x display) make quite the difference especially if you code, or do anything but gaming and movies for that mater, while they are still suitable for the later two as well. Last time I checked, that was the benefit of having a PC - doing whatever you want comfortably. These #masterace things sound like a sect, the #pc one including, so not a fan. Everyone should be free to enjoy whatever the hell (s)he wants. That's why I like the Predator 21X - how often do you see something so FAR out there? ESPECIALLY nowadays? Everything nowadays is - profit, profit, profit and again profit. I do realize that the 20" laptops are a VERY niche products, but they were made when none of the ones who made them (Clevo, DELL, Acer, HP (in order of appearance)) had the bank balance they have today. At least I think so. Nowadays there's nothing fancy, just "boring" performance upgrades (performance could never be enough, I'm there as well, but it's not everything for me). Only recently we started to see display options, or good stock displays AGAIN. People pay ridiculous amounts of money for what not, I'm pretty sure that I wont be alone if someone was to bring 16:10 again (yeah, MacBook wont do it for me). All in all, the bottom line commands nowadays.

BTW, I also have MXM-B in the title, but I don't see you pointing at it and putting me into another sect. Why is that? Maybe because I'm not the only one around here (this topic)?

 

Using Windows scaling. Renders at native resolution but at an effective 900p if you want to call it that.

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Aren't they trying to make 1,000 the minimum, up to 10,000 nits scaled dynamically?

Btw, thanks for the clarification. I thought it started at 10-bit.

Still waiting for HDR-10 workflow to be added to HCFR. I know calMAN has it added. Does chromapure yet?


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Saving 16 ounces isn't "a few". Presuming that someone should want one thing doesn't work if they want another. I'm sure we can find someone that would look at the car you own and tell you 15 reasons why you should have bought something different, and those 15 reasons wouldn't mean anything to you because you bought it based on your needs and desires.

After owning this blade for 2 years I'm going to compromise a couple lbs to get more silent cooling. 6.5 is more than i'd like but I'm placing cooling noise over everything else. 7.5? No... not doing that. I already had a 9lb 17" and it's fatiguing having it sit on your lapdesk for extended periods, and I'm not a small person or have a low pain tolerance.

Diffferent people just want different things. Having to sit here and read post upon post of people trying to tell someone why their form factor choice is wrong for them is useless and idiotic.

 

I thought pascal heated more because it simply had more performance....but i always read here that Maxwell is unnaturally cool and Pascal unnaturally hot. Why is that? If we downclock 1060 to 970m performance would it heat more?

 

I agree, I don't know why people are complaining about how big these laptops are. Laptops with desktop graphics cards are mostly going to be large in size until the manufacturers find a way to reduce size and heat output.

 

Stock paste. Haven't opened it up yet because I'm swapping it for the 1070 version in a few days.

 

Yea fr, same thing I'm doing except I already returned my gl502vy. That bf1 beta gameplay was top notch bro. Make sure you do gta v and iv if you can because I know myself and a few others are waiting for it, thanks.

 

Hey, don't take it the wrong way - I used that 'master race' thing in jest. Technically it is a sect of a small group of people who know and understand the benefits of a 16:10 display, and I'm one of them. As I always say, if there's anything that Apple does right, it's got to do with their displays - whether it be software handling of HiDPI, or the quality of the display itself. To this date, the rMBP IPS display is truly one of the best I've seen on a laptop, from colour accuracy to viewing angles (this is based on how it looks to my rather untrained eye and not with any real scientific rigour). Not to mention how simple Apple's handling of HiDPI is - simply double the size of all UI assets, and display them (this is iOS behaviour ported to OS X). Not to mention maintaining the 16:10 aspect ratio despite 99% of the market having moved to the productively less useful 16:9 (and now even worse, 21:9) ratio.

It's also why, despite the monitor offering no G-Sync or a higher refresh rate than 60 Hz, I intend to purchase the Dell U2415 for my future desktop.

 

I really wish people would decide. Power or weight. I think that even a 10Kg laptop is okay as long as it's power is really good. The size, on the other hand, I'm okay with anything as long as I can take it in a bag or a side bag.

Maybe they expected magic?

I wish people would made up their minds on what they wish for. Once had a friend that was crying on how bad his Mac something was for gaming after he invested a good 2000 Eur in it to game on it, but did no research before buying it. Brand trust is destroying our hobby! I will side with Clevo as long as they provide me what I need. It's using a product I actually need, customer loyalty should be reinforced by product quality and good reasons, not blind emotion! I wish Alienware was still what it were before, they fell, now it's time for them to have success where they want, which is, sadly, the mid-high end market, instead of truly high end (or summit).

Dude...

Are you trolling or being ironic? I can't decide about it

More silent cooling equals worse cooling, if you're going to power up a high end GPU.

You had a 9lb [whatever that means, use KG for international discussion purposes!], sitting on your lapdesk? You mean... you... I can't even begin... Low pain tolerance? I lift more on one hand during my most basic routine training... And I'm a freaking programmer / writer / gamer that sits on chair most of the day.

Different people do want different things. But you must understand that before wanting different things, you must learn about what those things imply. Don't just wish for the best ultra cool cooling and thin laptops, because the laws of physics still don't permit it. You need something thin, great, buy 1060 or less and be happy with it. Or at least don't complain when someone makes an 1070 based laptop that throttles because it was thinner than apple ones. You knew what you were in for

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against you, I actually find some novelty in owning a thin and strong laptop, and want to side with you, but I know what that implies, went down that road, I want to do things differently this time. I get full GPU usage, and full GPU temps while using photoshop to draw things, due to the high resolutions I'm working in (over 10K). 860m won't cut it for me. It's not that everyone needs this type of power, but for those who do need it, let's make a strong and big DTR that can handle it.

I think that all serve a purpose, we need to decide on what side of things we are. I need an amazing screen, and the most power I can get, some people do not. I am ready to carry 1-2Kg in plus for this (Already 3Kg Acer), some people are not.

I'm happy to see the new Pascal results coming in, seems that right now, even owning an 1070 is plenty of power. I can't wait to see how much Pascal can OC on air, with stock cooling, but Bios and vBios mods!

 

@Georgel - 1Kg = 2.2lbs

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I still can't get accustomed to it, have to search it every single time. I barely got used to inches, but still I have to search every single time what a foot is, or other American units of measure. Seems they are not direct multiples, conversion is pretty complicated without growing up with those units. Entire EU + Asia uses KG for reference, even some american sites do

But nevertheless, the weights presented are still within acceptable ranges. I can't understand why people complain about weight so much. I wish they put in more metal to make them cases more rugged. I also wish they put in more cooling and bigger screens.

I just need /want a portable high end desktop

 

The UHD display on the Razer Blade Stealth is absolutely incredible. Blows the QHD one out of the water and had the best colors (100% srgb etc...) and sharpest image I'd seen on any laptop.

 

That's surprising. Because I'd expect the complete opposite from anything that comes out of Razer.

 

Personally, I think any laptop that fits in a backpack the size of my Everki Titan and weighs less than 25lbs (55Kg) is totally portable and very easy to handle. Unless I am going camping off the grid, I don't really care about battery life. But, I do realize some kids have to pack books to school and don't have much space to work with, and some may not have access to electric outlets in their classrooms. Something like this option would be great for taking notes in class, and it's so cheap it doesn't matter if it gets dropped and broken, stolen or stops working after a year. Also frees up cash to buy something more awesome where good performance is important.

 

Am I the only dude here that's pissed off the Alienware 15 is 8lbs? What happened to "we trimmed down the Alienware laptops". What kind of 15 inch is an 8 lb brick? Maybe 6 lbs MAX for a 1070 15 inch.

Now I'm stuck with GS63VR with 1060 or some other MSI models if I want 1070.

 

Probably so. Honestly, 8 lbs seems like nothing. My P750ZM (15 inch in my signature) weighs about the same. It seems ridiculously small and light to me. If it weighed less it would require a compromised cooling system and that would truly suck. I wish it were heavier and had a more robust cooling system. If it were a quarter inch thicker I think it could be more of a beast, with bigger heat sink radiators and larger fans.

 

GL502 is only 5.7lbs while the Alienware 15 is a heaping 7.7lbs. A 15 inch laptop that's 8 lbs is just crazy. Should've just made it the 17 inch version if it's as heavy as that.

 

How do you explain something like the gl502 at 5.7lbs with a 1070?

GS63VR granted has a 1060 but it's 4lbs. 8 lbs seems like a pain to carry if you're taking it anywhere in a backpack. My laptop is only 6lbs and it's pretty annoying to lug around

 

the GL502 with 1070 have serious throttling and temp issues on board, don't forget about that

 

The GS63VR has some pretty poor thermal and acoustic characteristics. That is why they were able to make it 4lbs.

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Well. Only one word comes to mind... cheap. If the heat sink is the only piece of metal in it, that could easily explain why it is so much lighter. I'm not a fan of any BGA turdbook no matter what brand they are, but Alienware has always paid attention to build quality and cooling excellence, and that includes their BGA jokebooks that I hate so much... give credit where credit is due. I suspect the extra weight is put to really good use and should be worth the extra few ounces to have something that is built better, will last longer and run cooler. MSI advertises the GS63VR as the world thinnest 15-incher. That's going to come at a cost of compromise on something. It has to... unavoidable.

Edit: what he said (below)

 

There are tablets that are strong enough to take notes with!

I really do think that someone spending over 1000 $ on a laptop is better off taking off a weaker tablet or mini laptop to take notes. That way, he can be happy with both performance, and form factor!

It's sad when people are willing to take risks for a few grams off weight less, but they discover that thinnest and lightest are not best performing... They are never best performing

 

I know, I was very unimpressed by the Razer Blade screen, the viewing angles are pretty bad, and the QHD one isn't great either on the Stealth. The UHD was a totally different league.

 

it's a panel from Sharp, known for making really good UHD and 4K panels. The 4K panel on the XPS 15 was also splendid.

 

Why is the delay with the Alienwares upto Nov for 1070..meh & no pricing details, are they making the laptops at Mt. Dell's BGA hellforge now ?? They can put whatever buzzwords or specs they want but this amount of delay in un-imaginable. So many people are already buying the new machines across many brands....again the Alienware's at last position -"mediocre" despite all that hoomba loomba.


Keep it up Mr Frank. the dark lard of Mt. Dell, supposed to be DOOM(ed)

EDIT : There was a user here on NBR who got in touch with him on Twitter and asked about the SLI machines, the reply was they are listening and now we have absolutely nothing. I was really hoping a competitor outside MSI and Clevo to offer an MXM SLI solution, very sad...

 

Are you kidding me? I can't use anything smaller than a 17". I've tried. I hate how small the screen is. That two extra inches makes a world of difference (that's what she said)! Because of that, I'm in a class above the most widely sold laptop size (15").

If I have a laptop under 9lbs, that is light. I think the performance would be so compromised, I wouldn't be happy. Anywhere from 10-15lbs is good for me. I'd do 25lbs if using a backpack without complaint (I currently use shoulder strapped messenger bags). In law school, even with all my books, I brought my P170HM there and home every day. It wasn't that big of a deal. Sometimes it was in my bag, sometimes I had my books filled in my bookbag and my laptop in its carrying bag. If you don't know, US casebooks can be 3" thick a piece. So carrying weight is nothing for me (plus, with how much I was in the library, I could use any exercise where I could get it).

I don't understand lighter and thinner without a purpose. Most people have one laptop and no desktop these days. I see them sit and wait for apps to run. I was given **** for having a larger laptop when the thin and light started. As I'd point out to them, my laptop was more capable than any of the desktops in the law school computer lab, unlike their laptops. I was jealous of this 18" alienware (late 2011; 2960XM). Other than that, why should I ever compromise my tool. Since switching from desktop to a laptop only, I need something with desktop power. I'll compromise depending on market availability, but weight is never factored in. I got the ZM when it first came out that January. I wish it wasn't so short lived until the DM entered (same pain the p870 owners feel, except we all feel the gpu pain, I just also had the CPU pain). But this felt right. I still feel the cooling is insufficient on my laptop and wish it was thicker or fin depth was deeper. Either way, I would have been pissed if it was any less than it is. Give me weight, but do not screw with the cooling... If you can make it lighter/thinner from better cooling, don't! Use those better cooling techniques to give me more headroom. That's my opinion...

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^ I wholeheartedly agree.

I honestly think that the only good thing Pascal has done for us is show people that thin & light are not supposed to be heavy gaming machines. Everybody but Clevo is ****ing the hell up with their thinner lines, and no matter how many heatpipes and how they angle it it still does not work properly at all. Someone was happy his GS43VR only hit around 86c to which I pointed out that it was performing worse than a single 970M and thus it was a pointless machine, even if not at the 93c point.

Maxwell was unnaturally cool and that was amazing for us in general, but it gave birth to so many superthin laptops and people expected it'd be the norm from then on.

It's a harsh lesson but people need to understand physics. Nothing good comes from wishing for unicorns, because OEMs and ODMs are more than happy with dressing up a half-dead horse and calling it said unicorn and selling it to us at exorbitant prices. This whole rage about 4K is a good example of that. The NUMBER of "gaming" laptops with 860Ms and 960Ms and 4K panels before the big boys got them is absolutely astounding.

 

People have to make decisions about what is best for them. As long as they are happy with the outcome and make fully informed decisions, that is all that really matters. The P750ZM has been really hard for me to get used to and I doubt I will ever truly love it because the 15-inch screen is just too small to fully enjoy using it. Other than El Cazador, all of the high performance notebooks I have purchased since about 2005 have been 17 or 18 inch beasts and I definitely prefer the larger machines.

So, I ask myself... " Self, do you want to be Hulk or Loki?" and every time my answer is the same... Hulk.

 

Also Gtx880m was a very good example of this. 8GB vram was the new. What?

 

I think 8GB of vRAM so early should have been a blessing, but the card was just too broken. There's games I've not been able to max because of "only" having 4GB of vRAM on my cards. And by not being able to max, I mean, the game doesn't even show me the option to turn on. If I had 8GB of (working) vRAM right now, I wouldn't really be in such a predicament xD.

Either way, mobile cards usually always had double the vRAM of desktop counterparts (at least in an available configuration). 580M 2GB vs 560Ti 1GB, 680M 4GB vs 670 2GB, 780M 4GB vs 680/770 2GB, and later 880M 8GB vs 770 4GB, etc.

 

You could throw the 980m 8GB and the 970 3.5GB cards! Lol!

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Let's hope that Acer are really going to step up their game!

No fun in here either, using a laptop smaller than 17". I know some people can, but when it sits on the table, and for me to be at a comfy distance from it to watch movies, I start to need more than 17".

My 860m is not able to pull smooth FHD well.. I don't want to imagine what people who bought a 4k + 860m actually got! I mean it! The screen is useless if nothing is able to drive it!

I used to own a 15" laptop. Got to 17", I'm never going back to small laptops. Maybe for really small work, but for enjoyment, I can't even own a small phone, it's a pain for my eyes to look into a small screen.

 

Yeah, me too. I hate small phones as well... miserable to look at. Besides that, using a touch display sucks bad enough all by itself, and a small touch screen just makes me angry. I have a 5.7" LG phablet and it's still too small to provide an enjoyable viewing experience. But, it just barely fits in the front pocket of my jeans, LOL.

 

You know what the ridiculously stupid part is? If the 970 was a 224-bit, 3.5GB vRAM card ALONE (no extra 32-bit memory bus and 512MB vRAM tacked on) it'd actually function perfectly and there'd be no controversy and I'd have recommended it easily over AMD's offerings to anybody who wouldn't keep it stock. But no, nVidia had to be egotistical. Well, AMD did the same thing with the RX 480; spun a hardware design defect as a non-issue and "fixed" things with drivers and offered "proof" that it made no difference, etc.

 

I know it's fashionable to trash the GTX 880M on this forum as a pastime, but the 8GB of vRAM on that card have gotten many through some of the latest of titles with playable (and stable) frame rates under maximised texture settings where substantially faster cards have been subject to stuttering and jarring frame rate inconsistencies as a result of vRAM limitations. The high vRAM was definitely one of the seriously positive features of that card, given its initial troubles and the resulting reputation it acquired.

It most certainly was; all other legitimate grievances considered, of course.

 

Well, it's fairly simple, just need a little more mental gymnastics than the metric system:

1 in = 2.54 cm
1 m = 3.3 ft
1 mi = 1.61 km
1 lb = 454 g

As for small screens, 13" is getting a bit long in the tooth. Such notebooks are incredibly compact and pretty useful for us university students/military personnel, but all in all, it's still 13". I'd rather 15" now, after having used the brilliant P650RP. HiDPI on small screens make sense, if the OS knows how to take advantage (OS X) and can tell any 3D application and the graphics processor that it's running at 2x (or 1.5 or 1.25x) magnification.

I want to see how that 13" Alienware cools its processors.

 

I wonder if Alienware has put in a quad core i7 in the 13 to justify the high weight. Unlikely, but not beyond the realms of imagination.

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Well, I have a 4710MQ in my 13.3" machine... that's not really a new concept.

 

I know. But it may be a new concept for Alienware

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We don't have to know the American system just like Americans don't need to know the metric system. Everyone should use whatever they use in their life. Use google to convert anything else, its easy.

Anyway for me if you are going to carry a laptop everyday it should be around 2.5kg

 

Anyone have any idea how hot and loud the Razer Blade with 1060 will get? Will CPU or GPU exceed 90C under load? Will it get above 50 dB under load?

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