*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

This ↓↓↓↓↓ cheery bunch should be reped bro

 

+rep's given, done

 

The higher scores have higher clock speeds, so it is hard to compare the selected scores in that scenario. Take a look at the core and memory clock speed differences. There could also be some power management issues using the BGA GPU versus eGPU.

 

That second 1080 has an effective memory clock of 11 GHz. Ballsy indeed. On the core frequency though, none of these frequencies will be sustained throughout the benchmarks thanks to Boost 3.0

 

nvidia themselves said that the mobile counterparts are (at most) only 10% behind the desktop GPUs


the results aren't too shabby tbh, for a laptop

 

I think it is not working yet. There are 0 3dmark search results for 6820hk and 6700hq using Titan X (Pascal)

Yup, but the Clevo ones is almost at par with the dekstop 1080's based on @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER results with stock vbios

 

Yees http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-484#post-10335783

 

I think breaking into Firestrike ranking would be harder. 3Dmark HoF rankings still got 980tis and even 980s, it means Desktop folks are not really benching on 3Dmark 11 lol.

 

The gpu scores are not that far apart http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9954310/fs/9955486# . HoF rankings is a different story though

 

We are not trying to break into the hall of fame because we don't have 6 and 8 core cpus or 6700k's and ln2 on both gpu and cpu.
And looking at the gpu scores. 980's 980 ti's all get killed. And killed off about 98 percent of the 1080's. So i'm not sure why you would want to keep raising the bar?
This score is 3 00 pints behind the leader on gpu score. Still working on the slowness of the cpu....
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9955486/fs/8048804/fs/6074170/fs/7505891/fs/9954310

And this is all stock and no mods, yet.

 

Stock thermal paste too?

 

That thing is BGA? WHY IN THE HELL...?! It's so damn large, there's no excuse for such crap.

Was BGA not intended to reduce size? I don't understand. Seems superfluous for such a large system.

 

Because they're cheap and lazy.

- It costs less for them to make (no sockets)
- No MXM design from nVidia = have to pay to make own MXM designs
- Desktop CPU in laptop is harder to get the chipset perfect according to what AW reps have said in the past (this I do believe; I've had some random issues with my D900F in the past with certain programs that both performed better in laptop-component-only laptops AND desktop-component-only desktops, both weaker than the D900F I had)
- No need to worry about compatibility with later models (note that MSI is the only manufacturer to EVER promise upgrade-ability on a laptop... despite how well Alienwares and the more recent clevo lines handled GPUs of all architectures).

 

I decided to do a writeup in a separate thread of my testing of the MSI GT72VR with 1070 and 6820HK.
It´s in the MSI subforum in case anyone is interested: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/test-gt72vr-gtx-1070-i7-6820hk.795782/

 

So it seems the 1080 in AW's new 17 will have 180w TDP

Now I'm really curious how their cooling solution is going to handle that

 

Did they provide the official specs for AW17 with 1080?

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Not really a spec sheet, but here https://eu.alienwarearena.com/products/new-alienware-17

Under the Performance tab

Coming late 2017 wtf? Do these people even check what they're typing for a product before uploading

 

By the time they make an appearance (late 2017) 1080 will be obsolete and their competitors will likely be launching something newer. It should be interesting to see what they do to cool and power it. Hopefully, they won't pull the same kind of foolishness they did before with a wimpy AC adapter, hybrid power delivery crap and gimped performance. The dynamic overclocking sounds like a really hokey gimmick to distract their customers from noticing something was compromised.

 

It came with ic diamond installed.

 

I suspect GPU Boost 3.0 needs to be killed to realize true performance. That's nothing new though... stock GeForce firmware is typically garbage. This is true of most NVIDIA gimmicks.

 

To be fair, I find the GT80 series and the watercooled Asus machines to be just as ridiculous.

 

Single GTX 1080 pulling 300W during Fire Strike run

Spoiler

Pascal performance seems to drop off quickly so even if not able to get near that sort of power the difference in results isn't going to be huge.

 

Why dies the aorus x3 plus v6 LOOK slimmer than the GS43VR but when you got to the product pages it says .9 inches vs .87 inches respectively.

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I find it hard to believe that sager/clevo weren't going to refresh the p640 when they've pulled it and no one is selling the 970m version anywhere anymore.

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It'll most certainly be out when more lower tier pascal cards are launched

 

Speaking of which... here's a closer look.

Here is a comparison of the best BGA CPU 1080 SLI scores (MSI) against the best 1080 SLI scores on a proper machine with a socketed/unlocked CPU (Clevo). There are a lot of Clevo scores above the top MSI scores. I have nothing for ASUS because I didn't drill down far enough on page to see if ASUS even had any scores uploaded. The highest MSI scores look to be submitted by arthas2005 and he is not in the top 10 on any of them. I think I used the phrase "blood bath" once before.

3DMark 11: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11554627/3dm11/11555847

Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9954310/fs/10053831#

Time Spy: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/356775/spy/393681

No link is provided for Vantage. It appears nobody with a 1080 SLI BGA turdbook has submitted a Vantage score.

 

Lol late 2017. You're right, Brother Fox. It will be obsolete late next year lol.

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The only thing that came to mind when I read "late 2017" on their web page was déjà vu. Seems like they have a trend of being a day late and a dollar short for some reason.

 

Even cars are becoming more and more difficult to mod, upgrade, and work on. BGA EVERYWHERE!! HELP!



I need a new hobby.

 

Can we see breakout of physics and graphics?

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Is this an htpc? Because none of the laptops can pull 1.2V
Edit: Nevermind, it is.

 

So far all official BIOS on the 1080 allow up to 1.091 V. Only the unofficial Asus Strix BIOS has voltage stuck at 1.2 V (can't go up or down when in P0).

 

Already edited the post but nbr is having issues.
Posted Nevermind it is.

 

Asus will still provide best performance in games due to watercooled GPUs being able to sustain better temp in a long run. But I would rather get desktop instead of that Asus with ridiculous water cooling dock lol.

 

You "LGA" guys really are as bad as the "Luddites"

You can't seem to move on into the new generations of technology.

What's different between a water-cooled desktop and the water-cooled GX800VH?

You can take the GX800VH with you when you need to go somewhere else.

The water-cooling gets left behind - unless you are going for an extended stay, then you can take the water-cooling dock with you.

The water-cooled dock doesn't look ridiculous, it looks cool. It's got form and function. And, it's not an ungainly strip of fans and radiators, it's got a skin to cover all the components.



https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/ROG-GX800VH/

I suppose you think it would be better having all the radiators hanging out with hoses and wires strewn all over the place?

Or have it all put in a box tower that's larger and ungainly to the point you wouldn't be able to carry it with you, losing all portability for full performance?

Wake up you Old Men, it's tomorrow already

 

Its definitely a positive that it exists not a negative. Personally I don't really understand 17" laptops all that well because they don't fit in a backpack, but most of you must just have larger bags.

 

Sure. That is why I provided the links. You can see all the details clicking on the links.

As a courtesy, here they are again:

3DMark 11: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11554627/3dm11/11555847

Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9954310/fs/10053831#

Time Spy: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/356775/spy/393681

There, I fixed that for you, bro. The great thing about old men is most of us are smart enough to discern the difference between awesome and garbage. They can keep the garbage... I have no use for their anemic junk. But, there are some young bucks that are sharp enough to figure it out as well. BGA filth ain't never gonna fly, especially when it's crippled on purpose.

As far as the water cooled ASUS turdbook is concerned, I agree the water cooling is a really cool geek feature like an eGPU. Even old geeks like cool stuff. I don't like that it is dependent on the colostomy bag and under-performs without it. And, I don't like the machine itself at all because of BGA. Because of that I would never entertain the idea of buying one. I'd just go back to desktop and forget about notebooks if it comes down to that. I will never embrace garbage no matter what kind of fancy robes they present it in. I do value BGA for its cheapness factor... perfect for smartphone, tablets, Chromebooks and sub-$500 notebooks at Walmart.

 

The GX800VH is 18.4" as is the GT80(S) / GT83VR, but the new Asus model has a new 18.4" 4k screen @ 60hz G-sync, the others have the long in the tooth 18.4" 1080p 60hz non-G-sync.

I appreciate the extra size of the 18.4" screen

There are bags that fit. I use the Oakley Kitchen Sink backpack for work, and swap between that and the MSI Hermes Backpack for fun:

Oakley Kitchen Sink
http://www.oakley.com/en/kitchen-sink-backpack/product/92060A

A work laptop fits in the laptop section, and my 18.4" laptop fits in the main section of the backpack, with plenty of room for PSU's, cables, keyboard, mouse, and lots of support equipment.

MSI Hermes
https://us.msi.com/collections/pages/MSI-Hermes-Backpack.html

It's minimal but fits everything.

An Everki Titan would also work nicely, carry more stuff, and I will check into that should I get another 18.4" laptop:
https://www.amazon.com/Everki-Checkpoint-Friendly-18-4-Inch-EKP120/dp/B005LMWP78

Nothings set yet, there are too many laptops still coming out, and teething issues for all of them for me to jump soon.

The Asus water-cooled laptop is pretty cool, but need to wait for production unit reviews, using the full 330w PSU's and production tunings.

If Clevo can get the temp's and noise down the P870DM3 would be cool too.

 

I've been carrying 17- and 18-inch dual GPU laptops in backpacks since 2007. There are not a ton of options available for selection, but there have always been at least a few really excellent options in backpacks and bags. Having grown accustomed to the bigger machines, it is extremely difficult to be satisfied with the smaller options and their unavoidable limitations.

 

The everki I like, I don't like how flashy an MSI backpack looks.

 

The Everki Titan is an amazing backpack. It's definitely big and looks weird on a small guy, but it's comfortable and built to last.

I'm not small, just saying it'd look a little big on you if you are.

 

The Everki bulks out - spreads out and get's bulky - you can reduce that effect a little by adjusting the side straps.

Both the Oakley and the MSI stay thinner and are less unwieldy on my back. It's better to keep the weight close to your body than further out, especially when turning, it can throw off your balance.

If you carry them on your shoulder it's the same effect, it's a lot of mass being swung around

 

If you get msi bag like adeona its stupid thin...quality is midway but out of bundle i dont see its price being worth the 1xx they run even though i love it and its survived five trips across Europe and US and back without a single scuff

Everki are tough and pretty much whole different tier of quality for barely much more i feel.

Think of it this way...your paying for chance of it outlasting your laptops which a good bad should carry you through two minimum...my parents are still using perfectly good Samsonite laptop bag from 90s. Even so in the end more expensive bag costs less

Oakley is also kinda center ground. My go to is superdry, everki or Samsonite.
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The G800 is such an impractically stupid idea, surprised that your supporting it... Then again how is it not surprising considering you have a GT80, one of the most impractical and stupidly big laptops I've ever seen??

 

Cool what a constructive and helpful post, I'm glad you spoke up /s

That kinda bull**** is so annoying, can you see us when your so far above us? Insult the laptop then insult him, how do you have so much positive rep when you act so petty?

Fair enough those all seem like pretty good options. I guess it boils down to me preferring not to stand out in a class /those are crazy expensive.

 

GT80 sticks out for few reasons.. If your constantly on move and need editing machine but dont want laptops with lethargic quadros its an ok choice.

G800 is kinda asus just flaunting "we are better because we managed this" and not worth its tag unless you MUST have wc laptop because your in the sahara and have absolutely no desktop space.



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Kidz call things stupid because they don't understand it, or fear it.

Adults reserve judgement through wisdom gained by experience when they [want to call something stupid] don't understand it

Lots of people own and enjoy the GT80 series, same for the desktop CPU laptops.

It's nothing to fear

 

With all the temp qqs this belongs here.



It just hit me we have dtrs with desktop cpu and pascal and maxwell get same temps versus that of old and made me chuckle

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Sorry guys, without being stupid and reading here since months (I believe I understand BGA/LGA), I'am a newby. I'm not a big gamer (mainly old strategy game - like Panzer corp - except X-Com and some more demanding strategy game like TW or CIV). Don't know what's the difference between 30FPS or 120FPS (I mean, I have not experienced it before, I understand metrics). My big concern is noise. Don't care about portability as some convince me to buy two laptop (+1 for LGA). I've got already a old Clevo. I could put my hand and searching how to make things better (as I want/need) and things like that but I will not search about best performance. Longevity, is more a concern for my son ;-) But, really, fan noise concern me. So, currently hesitating between P6X, P7X and GT62. Seems MSI have better keyboard (my current Clevo got a f**$* bad keyboard) and good cooling (at least notebookckeck). P65X seems not so good at noise level. P67X I bit better (but will be better wit Prema). Screens are "ok" for all. Do not like the sealing principle on MSI (forget the style). Not sure I need more than an I5 (desktop) or 6700 and 1060 (as I change my laptop every 3 years - at most - and not really playing demanding game). One reason for P7X is TB3 (not available on the other). Reason for good keyboard is that I'm working on it.
So to summarize: not a big gamer (but gamer), don't need to move a lot this future machine, concern about noise, keyboard and screen quality (right order of priority).
What are you thought about that? Because I'mreally hesitating between this BGA/LGA (but give me credits, only between Clevo and MSI)
Thanks

 

Clevos are now equipped with basically same keyboard...

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