*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Zotac refuses to sell standalone GPUs...

 

Why bother? There's no SLI connector.

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cuz! 3.0b!

you have any info on those standard form factor cards? compatibility?

 

From the reviews they appear to be under-clocked/-powered.

 

@D2 Ultima - If the Gigabyte Aero 14 (1060) is repasted with ICD, what temperatures will it give? 90+ CPU after undervolting? Will GPU temps exceed 90C?

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I don't know, but I assume no amount of cooling modding in that tiny chassis will provide proper power at acceptable temperatures.

 

And perhaps under CPU-ed I expect better results from the EN1080 which will have water cooling and a much more reasonable CPU.

 

I guess but the best thing to do is own it and then test it and see how it does. Can't rule out every note book that interests you because it doesn't suit others.
I'd buy this but I already committed a purchase to another laptop. I can live with it being hotter into the 90s. And to be honest, if the laptop was throttling bad I'd send it back or if I kept it and died, It be covered under warranty for a replacement. And I'd sell it.


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Is the Aero 14 thinner then the MSI GS40? GS40 does pretty well tbh... I would personally go for that

 

thats the thing, although weve seen a bit lower clocks than on the clevo cards, we dont know what kind of impact the super weak cpus had on the performance in the review...and yes, also looking forward to proper reviews of the EN1080 watercooled with a 6700 non-K cpu at its side, thats when well see what the gpus are actually capable of

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The 970M, a *FAR* cooler chip, thermal throttled in the Aero 14's original conception. The 1060 is nearly twice as hot. It isn't "just" going to run fine. It's also not a matter of whether a laptop interests me or not. Honestly, only a couple of laptops even barely hold any interest for me this pascal generation, and I do mean "a couple". All I say and do is based on the most educated guesses I can make regarding whatever the topic is. As far as I can tell, the Aero 14, like the Blade 14, is a big gimmick because they can't keep using Maxwell but still want a poorly-designed "thin gaming notebook".

GS40 is Maxwell. GS43 is Pascal. And I still don't like how it was designed to not last long on some components, so I'm not going to recommend it even if it keeps the card cool enough, which I'm still not even sure about.

If you're talking about in things like firestrike or Heaven or whatnot, then the CPU doesn't really matter much. If you're talking about them running newer games on ultra, then stuff like BF1 may not have too much impact, especially if they're benching above 1080p. If you're talking about something like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, there are indeed places where the CPU will absolutely destroy FPS. Same with Black Ops 3, as above 78fps the CPU load just skyrockets. 0-78fps = ~40% of my CPU, and 78-105fps (fluctuating) = the rest of my CPU. Yes, the rest. As in, I've seen 100% on all 8 threads show up, JUST from running that game. It's terrible.

 

Okay fellas, question for you experts.

MSI GS63VR vs. Gigabyte Aero 14 (1060).

I love the battery life on the Aero, and that is quite important to me, but as @D2 Ultima said, it may not have good thermals, even with IC Diamond.

I like the fact that that the GS63VR has temps that may be hot but can be controlled by undervolting the CPU.

I'm basically looking for a sub-2kg 1060 laptop. I will be using it to play AAA games, edit photos and video, and very heavy web browsing. I wish the GS63VR had an MUX switch, but if the cost of longevity and temperatures is battery life, it will be a very bitter pill, but I'll swallow it.

If I get the money in time, I may order end-Jan/early-Feb. I know the XPS 15 refresh will be out by then, but I'm not confident on the 1050Ti's longevity in terms of gaming or of Dell's QC. However, if you guys advise me to go for it I'll think about it.

I want whatever laptop I buy to last 4 years minimum. That is priority #1.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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My recommendation is to take off from the laptop hunt for now, enjoy the holidays, take up a nice hobby, spend time with the kids - or parents, and then when February comes around - or when you are ready to actually purchase something, come back and look at what's new then.

Kabylake is coming out the first of the year, lots of new laptops, most with new motherboards, new features, and you won't want anything that is out now.

If you want to buy now, look now, but don't wait too long before purchase because if you wait until mid December, it's best to wait till mid-January through beginning of February before looking again.

 

Thanks for the good advice!

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But still follow the different threads - the websites so you know what to expect. Not the big change with the Kaby lake refresh Take your time.

 

I agree, I am following the threads about the GS63VR and Aero 14. I can only hope Gigabyte improves the cooling system in the Kaby Lake update, but it is extremely unlikely.

Thanks for the help!

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The point is when Kabylake H series comes out for laptops, it comes with new Series 200 motherboard chipset(s) which will cause all the laptop vendors to rev their laptop motherboards, hopefully fixing old problems and bringing new technology and new options.

More screen options, more storage options - Optane in a first limited release, and the best part is fixing any problems in the current revisions of the new Pascal laptops.

The vendors have a chance to use the owners feedback, provide better and quieter cooling, better power solutions - single PSU instead of double - etc etc.

If he's not planning to purchase anything until February, there's no need wasting time getting to know whats out there now, it's already teed up to be replaced by new Kabylake models

 

Don't expect the big changes As H. Ford one time said. Choose what color you want, but ... The rest you probably know

 

A new motherboard chipset doesn't happen often, it's going to rev the models again, and make what's out there now, obsolete.

Whether Kabylake CPU + Series 200 chipset is better or not, it's new, and Skylake / Haswell + the previous motherboard chipset's, and all the laptops with them, are therefore old.

 

Hopefully most of the new laptops will have TB3.

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Obsolete already when you buy it. New doesn't mean better. Maybe more crippled New firmware... New mess, HaHa
As long the graphics is the same... Not the big change. Only new crippled crazy i7 BGA Or shall we say refreshed Junk from Intel?

 

SOMEONE DID A NO-NO AND POSTED AN EARLY REVIEW OF A SEVENTH-GENERATION INTEL CPU
By Kevin Parrish — November 4, 2016 11:36 AM
http://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...th-generation-processor-exposed-early-reivew/

"Ultimately, the site concludes that the real star of the seventh-generation Kaby Lake rollout is the 200-series chipset for motherboards launching alongside the new desktop processors.

This chipset supports Intel’s 3D XPoint memory architecture, Thunderbolt 3, 24 PCI-Express 3.0 lanes, six SATA 3 ports, 10 USB 3.0 ports, and more."

INTEL'S OWN DOCUMENTS SPOIL THE DESKTOP KABY LAKE, 200-SERIES CHIPSET SURPRISE
By Brad Bourque — October 31, 2016 10:29 AM
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/kaby-lake-desktop-sku-leak/

We will have to wait and see what comes with the Kabylake + Series 200 laptop release

 

And I only dream of a GT73VR barebones with a socketed CPU and MXM GPU. Would be the best 17" monster on the block. And it's cooling could just about handle a 7700K, methinks. @Papusan @hmscott @Mr. Fox

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Nah, that 95w CPU would ruin the once quiet cool laptop and turn it into a noisy tubine fan monster.

Not a monster in the good sense - a noisy beast that no one would want to be near while it's running games or other demanding work.

Best to keep it a well designed balanced laptop with plenty of power for the GPU to run at full power, but not so much CPU power that it needs water cooling to tame it, and make it quietly liveable again.

 

I fix it for you... Cooling can handle max OC from socket Kaby lake aka Minimum 5.0 GHz and maxed Oc from any graphics, fully unlocked firmware with possibility for further mod, can handle minimum 3x 330w bricks and of course graphics upgrades. Same If next gen processor fit. The brand isn't important. Only the machine can give max performance and can be upgraded.

 

Agreed. I don't care about brand, only results. At this point in time I find nothing acceptable in a large notebook except the P870XXX. In a smaller notebook, it's the Tornado F5. Everything else available for purchase I find to be totally unacceptable. External features are nice, but they are irrelevant when the insides are not up to snuff. What I require on the inside is the price of admission and everything else is a secondary consideration.

 

apparently there's an MSI version of the 1070 with the SLI connector and i think it's possible to do SLI in the gen 1 P870DM-G with some case modding.

but my guess also is that you need another 330w PSU to power it.

 

The MSI GT73VR 1070 SLI and GT83VR 1070 SLI both use 2 x 230w PSU's, the GT83VR 1080 SLI uses 2 x 330w PSU's.

They have MSI Pascal GPU's too

 

Guys, you just should wait for newer graphic cards, cause I don't have any good experience with the gtx 10xx-series-notebooks!

 

If the i7-7700 has a 4 core boost of 4.0 GHz while keeping 65W TDP, sign me up!

 

Yes, it seems Intel improved upon Skylake with Kaby Lake. However, they still run hotter than I'd like them to.

 

Why is there still no 1050/1050 ti laptop cards?

 

From what I read, they come out in late January.

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question is, how long is it gonna be able to hold 4.0 Ghz under load while staying below 65W?

 

Yeah, I would rather have a TDP of 150W that represents the worst case scenario (Prime 95 blend or something of a similar nature) than the usual definition of TDP which is really "how little cooling we can get away with allowing for some throttling here and there".

 

This man speaks the truth! Award him a Medal!!!

 

Intel used to let their chips draw whatever they needed. When I overvolted my 920xm by +200mv and clocked it to 4.2ghz across all cores it drew 180w or so and that wasnt even worst case if I had the cooling to match I could have run that all day at load.

New laptops couldnt handle that kind of load and the chips neither. Everything cheap cheap cheap and why I find it hard to change platform.

To what do I go when I want quality, longevity and solidity? Not a laptop anymore!

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Prime95 is so unrealistic is not even funny. Maybe rendering or x264 encoding but Prime 95, no.

 

I was using ffmpeg to downscale a video. Temps easily rivalled what I get on P95.

Honestly speaking, I think Intel and other PC component manufacturers should test their products to unrealistic limits, and then release the spec based on those results.

Airliner and car manufacturers do this. Why not for PC parts? I guess PCs don't have the potential to threaten lives, so they get away with releasing reduced specs and then blaming it on the consumer's 'unrealistic loads'.

The GE90 jet engine was pushed to 125% on the ground. The engine was rated to go at that speed for 48 hours straight without any damage, and 125% shaft rotation speed is an extremely unrealistic load.

 

It's not unrealistic to test the extremes to see how the laptop holds up, especially during the acceptance period when you are trying to decide if the laptop is worth keeping.

P95 isn't so extreme that the laptop shouldn't handle it without thermal throttling.

If you are running auto fans, give them a chance to ramp up then reset the counter on hwinfo64 and see if you are still thermal throttling, if not it's a keeper, if you are thermal throttling try undervolting first, then if it's still running too hot, swap for another one.

Don't be afraid to run software on your laptop to test it, it's not gonna break it

Note: You only need to run P95 for 5 minutes after the fans have ramped up to see if you are thermal throttling, maybe 15 minutes maximum.

Don't run P95 for longer, hours on end, unless you want to break it

 

And if it does, well, you deserve to return it.

Great suggestions overall though. Prime95 should stress to get a good read on CPU temps. It is a little extreme, but at least if you know it can cool a Prime95 run it can cool anything.

 

Yup, and I should have added that you only need to run P95 for 5 minutes - maximum 15 minutes, no sense melting everything with P95 for hours on end - unless you want to break it

 

*looking at those desktop users running 24hrs smallfft p95 for stability testing*

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Exactly. My example of the GE90 was the manufacturer testing the engines, not the customers (airlines).

Doing such a ridiculous P95 run is akin to airlines maxing the throttle on each of their planes every time, not pulling back until they land. It's stupid, wasteful and not to mention dangerous.

 

Agreed!

 

Seconded.

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How about run it on whatever load you are gonna use it for? Hence your actual "realistic" load.

 

For most people this is a new thing, a new foray into performance, so they have not established actual use yet - they need to simulate maximum load to test their laptop before the acceptance period ends, and they are stuck with a laptop that needs work - requiring RMA.

For now the simulations assure them that when they start gaming, working, or find that fun new thing to do that requires heavy CPU / GPU load, their system is ready for it and will run it successfully.

When you get a new laptop you aren't always ready with your own stuff yet, and it's quicker and easier to use known benchmark and stress tools with known results for comparison.

 

We're talking about the manufacturers here. The original discussion was about Intel releasing a given TDP for a CPU, which may be too low, depending on use case. For example, a Core i7-6700K cooled with LN2 and OCed to 5 GHz may well draw more than twice its rated TDP.

Not to mention consumers testing their thermal performance. A P95 small FFT multi-threaded run for about 10-15 minutes is a very very good way to push cooling hardware to its limits, and test and see if there are any faults. As @HTWingNut rightly said, if a given thermal dissipation system can cool a CPU running P95, it can cool anything. That's what we need to look for.

 

If I run a small FFT P95, my processor would probably instantly overheat. If you do that on a Haswell processor, I wouldnt be surprised if you simply cant cool it at all. I dont understand the fascination behind testing cooling systems to unrealistic levels. Unless whatever SW you are using is extremely optimized and using AVX, I dont see why you care about P95 temperatures.

Its the same reason why we dont use furmark for GPU.....

TDPs are generally set for stock.