*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

My GT73 has run a max core clock on the 2025mhz I believe, http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10874840

I've seen, on stock, usually hovers between 1800 and 1900, but yeah overlcocking is weird. Also, I get "better" overclocks using MSI Afterburner, than say, the built in tool in the MSI Dragon Center, for the GPU. And contrary to that, I get better CPU overclock in the Dragon Center, compared to intel XTU. Its weird.

my current max drawn power is 295w, and I did see a lot of power limits on GPUz while benching it. Not sure what power limit is there.

 

A P775 w/

512GB SSD
1TB HDD
FHD IPS LG
GTX1080
32GB RAM
6700K

costs around 3200 USD...

 

And demolishes the Blade.

 

It should demolish all other gaming laptops but it's own bigger brother, P870...

 

Good choice! That's a beast laptop.

 

It is a Razer firstly, totally useless and retarded cooling system and on the whole utter junk!

Not surprising since this company likes to compete to get to the bottom but positions itself at the high end... Oh I know who its trying to follow, Alienware!!!

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Yeah, Alienware really messed up with their CPU heatsinks this time. Those QC and design issues are unacceptable. @Papusan @iunlock @hmscott

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The public is always presented with Alienware, Asus and such as the world absolute best powerhouse laptops in media, no words about custom builds.

Compiling goes faster when you have a desktop grade CPU, but Razer is more appealing to kids, especially teen gamers who also like Monster energy drinks and such. Which is somewhat okay, different products for different public (?)

P870 also has a sick green light, light keyboard, and works really well, but maybe it's just not marketed this way. Well this, and some people want their laptops to be as thin as tablets, who are we to judge them?

(Silently packs laptop + entire electronic luggage of about 9KG to move around)

 

Yeah, Alienware also as of now only competes in the "thin and heavy" market.

The P870 is a beast of a laptop.

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There are four that compete in the same class. AW, Razer, EVGA and Aorus. They run a unique style... Apple designs intended for Windows OS. No one over. No one at the side

 

Asus, MSI IMO have some credibility, unlike Alienware, Gigabyte, Arorus and Razer... They do make some good gaming notebooks but they're crippled with BGA.. Now Clevo has the most credibility among everyone but if Asus somehow rises to occasion, I will dump Clevo in an instant..

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I dunno Clevo pretty much shafted those that got DTRs last year by changing the mxm boards of their cards. Noone has much credibility now.

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Clevo use really "crap" fans. They are a lot louder then what the Asus uses. That's my only beef with them.
My overpriced bga Asus G752vs is quite ok on the noise department, while the p670 I returned was ridiculous loud. And I recon the p7 series is similar.

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It's probably the other way around. Clevo uses a desktop grade CPU.

It is going to take more cool off than a BGA CPU running at 45W, though I would appreciate quieter fans as well, if they would be possible.

 

^^^ P670 have BGA all way around Not all Clevo's have LGA processors

 

The p670 I returned used a BGA cpu, so not really.
And I do like clevo products, I'm only saying they could use better quality fans. What do they save? 5$ per unit?

There are even some people in this forum that changed the fans on a p870 for Asus fans with great sucess.

I had to return my clevo because my wife complained of the noise... and with the Asus not a single complaint.

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Oh... Now I wish to try those Asus fans if they fit plug and play (Really don't want to try any mods right now)

Yeah... the fans are pretty noisy...

 

Talk to @ bsch3r about the Asus fan mod for Clevo's, he got the noise way down and didn't sacrifice much in temp increase.

 

Only problem is that they are secured in with duct tape. Some kind of mod is necessary to mount them properly.

 

Agreed, massive turn off for me.. Clevo is acting totally like cheapos..

Actually, its a known fact that Clevo uses **** fans.. The fans in my P771ZM are pretty bad too but the ones in the new gen which are ADDA ones are a joke..

The Asus fans push probably 90-95% of the air with lower rpms and why is this not surprising? The one thing Asus does well is build a quiet and efficient cooling system, something Clevo just can't seem to do..

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A few years ago I noticed how quiet the fans was on asus. The only time I got interested in wanting an asus was the 14" 660m gtx. They also changed how silent the mouse button was too. It was really clicky back in the 260m/285m days.
If they made a portable gtx version. I'd seriously consider it over clevo. Their fans are a tad loud. Major turn off.


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You should buy similar for your wife!!

 

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If your wife really loves you... Then you don't need to return a noisy laptop or buy ear protection. True love bro
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edit: question moved to clevo thread

 

Hey guys,

Though I had placed an order for an Alienware 15 R3 a while back, I am now looking for another laptop because Dell has delayed my order beyond a point of acceptance.

I need to pick something within a day or two, so its a little urgent. How is the reliability on the MSI GT73VR laptops? I am considering two:
1. GT73VR with 6820hk cpu and gtx1080
2. GT73VR with 6820hk cpu and gtx1070 SLI

What's your suggestion? I would have looked at Asus G752VS as well but have heard about its weak (low wattage) charger and that puts me off. I am happy with lower benchmarks but would ideally want a laptop that doesn't fail on me for at least the next 3-4 years. My current Alienware is the M14x R1 and its still running great barring a battery replacement, so I do keep my laptops for a long time.

Awaiting some quick help please!

 

• Clevo p870dm3

• Clevo p870dm2

• Clevo P775DM3-G

• MSI GT62VR / Eurocom (Clevo)Tornado F5

 

Thanks for the suggestions. I looked at the GT62VR but the lack of Thunderbolt 3 kept me away. Any reason why you didn't mention anything about the GT73VR?

 

No worries. I didn't mention the GT73VR because rather than having a socket, the CPU is soldered down to the motherboard - It's BGA , and although not inherently bad in ultra thin devices, totally unacceptable in a performance grade machine of this price. Don't pay LGA prices for BGA disposable low binned chips Intel can't otherwise sell.

 

The same is true of the GT62VR. Only the barebones variants use socketed CPUs.

 

GT62 is soldered and only limited to 6700HQ. GT73VR is a fantastic machine with superb cooling. Sure, it has BGA, but you can basically count with your fingers the available machines with desktop CPUs. Hopefully future GT series will incorporate desktop CPUs and leave the mobile ones to their GS line or something.

But that being said, the 6820HK clocks high and easily, with low temps. Definitely works great for what it is, and with proper tweaking I bet you can get it really high. I haven't really bothered much with it, instead focused on testing everything else (including finding out if the screen was real 8 bit or 6 bit+FCR etc). But even without taking much time, got it at 4.2ghz easily, and with great temps.

I don't mind BGA if it works. I mind it a lot how it all turned out with haswell, where every single BGA version wasy completely locked down in ways not even the basic MQ variations were. It would be great if we could have a choice though.

 

Is there any display for laptops that is 8 bits? All so far seem to be 6bit + FRC, including the notorious LG FHD IPS 75Hz one that everyone praises.

 

Well, all tests I've checked with the GT73 panel show as if it were 8 bit. You can also select 6 or 8 bits on the nvidia control panel. Even my GT80 is also 6bpc but this TN display has considerable better colors and all.

Is there a conclusive way to find if its 6 bits or 8 bits?

 

Thanks guys. So, I am planning to place my order tomorrow. Which one should it be?
1. GT73 with the single 1080
2. GT73 with the 1070 SLI

And again, is MSI a quality brand? Have heard stories of their laptops breaking down in just one year, GPUs failing etc.

And which screen should I go for? 4K or the 120Hz? Is the 120Hz a TN panel or is it IPS?
I want reliability first and gaming frames fluidity second; I have read that the TN panels are not that reliable and often develop problems?

About SLI, I do not mind paying the extra price for the SLI provided its equally efficient at cooling and if SLI is actually going to be relevant in the coming future. My fears about SLI stem from the fact that so few of the recent games (which are mostly based on DX12) have support enabled for SLI.

Would appreciate a quick help again so that I can place the order as I plan to travel this weekend. So, would like to have the laptop in a day or two max.

 

I've never heard of TN panels not being reliable. I'd get the 120Hz TN Panel because it's better for gaming with faster response times, and 120Hz/120fps gaming is so much better for fast paced shooters than 60fps. Modern TN panels are pretty good looking now in terms of colour accuracy & quality of image, not always worse than IPS in this regard. GTX 1070 sli is more future proof than single GTX 1080, so I'd get that as long as it's not hugely more expensive & I'd look for reviews on cooling and boost clock stability performance of the sli system before buying.

 

While I am a proponent of using SLI, I should mention that the GT73VR / GT83VR SLI models both require dual power supplies connected - 2 x 230w for the 1070 SLI, and 2 x 330w for the 1080 SLI.

So for this generation, I would go with the single GPU 1080 mainly for the convenience of only needing 1 x 330w PSU

 

Good point, although if you don't transport your laptop much, then x2 230W/330W PSUs is not a big deal, also comforting that they bother offering x2 power bricks to make sure there is no power gimping - see MSI's previously marketed Battery Boost (whatever it was called), that was a useless technology!

 

Carrying around 2 heavy PSU's, a coupler box, and the associated mass of wires is ridiculous.

None of the makers have taken the jump to larger than 330w single PSU's yet.

MSI, Asus, Clevo, all are using 2x power supplies for their top end SLI laptops.

Eurocom is testing a single 700w PSU, but nothing is available to purchase yet.

I am hoping the MSI, Asus, Clevo next generation SLI laptops offer single PSU solutions.

 

Well it depends on how mobile you want your laptop, but at least Prakhar can make his decision now you've highlighted one of the flaws of the sli system.

 

The other flaw is that new games and Windows 10 games aren't supporting SLI yet, same for VR. This should improve given time, but it's important to know this going in to an SLI laptop.

A single 1080 would offer the best performance in single GPU only games, VR, and applications.

It depends on the mix of games and applications you want to run.

A 1070 SLI will benchmark higher in tools that support SLI, and in games that support SLI. So if you know you are going to predominantly run software that supports SLI, then the 1070 SLI is a great option

It's an easy recommendation for 1080 SLI, as even in single GPU mode you would still have the highest performance GPU available, but for 1070 SLI you need to make sure your application mix supports SLI.

 

MSI GT73VR 6RF TITAN PRO - GTX 1080 FULL REVIEW. IS IT FAST & COOL ?

Spoiler: Dec 5th unboxing video - post #1270 in GT73VR Lounge

MSI GT73VR TITAN PRO GTX 1080, i7 6820hk. UNBOXING. GAME LIKE A GOD !

 

There are 5 models of the GT73VR 1080 on newegg, from $2599 - $3749

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100157995 50001312 601206491 4814&IsNodeId=1&Manufactory=1312&bop=And&SrchInDesc=GT73VR&Page=1&PageSize=36&order=PRICE

2 models (3 sellers) of the GT73VR 1070 showing on newegg, from $2078 to $2299:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100157995 50001312 4814 601206490&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=GT73VR&Manufactory=1312

And, 3 models of the GT73VR 1070 SLI showing on newegg, from $2899 to $3799:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100157995 50001312 4814 601206488&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=GT73VR&Manufactory=1312

 

Everybody of you shoud recommned P870DM2/3 with single 1080. Upgrade later when needed. Best Option + more power down the road. Proper decent Socket hardware all the way around No nonsense such as BGA Crapware hardware(non grata in high power laptops ) Aka Jokebook's!! If you go for Sli options, then you can just disable SLI when not needed and use a single 330w psu on the go. Why do it so difficult?

 

Cool, makes sense because the primary utility of this laptop is anyways going to be for playing games.

Thank you for your response buddy, I don't mind carrying the extra power brick when I have to move my laptop at times, which is not every day.

Yup, don't transport my laptop much but for the few occasions that I do, it's manageable I am sure because the weight difference between the SLI and the single GPU unit is about 300 grams IIRC.

Yup, don't mind the extra power brick. If that's the only flaw in the laptop, then I wouldn't mind spending my money on it. I am happy with heavy or less performance (compared to competition) but what is of prime importance is reliability and durability.

Would have loved to get the 1080 SLI but sadly the 18.3 is too big and way out of budget. With the 1070 SLI, my prime bone of contention is the fact that new games are not supporting SLI and therefore, the future of SLI looks bleak; or am I missing something? Does it still make sense to invest in an SLI laptop that costs at least £400 more than the single GPU 1080 version?

 

Many games still eventually get SLI.

Windows 10 DX12 supports independent multiple GPU's and games are starting to support that feature, so even with SLI off it will use the 2 GPU's.

VR SLI is a thing, it's just new like the rest of the VR stack and there aren't a lot of games that support it yet.

SLI is good to have, but I think only if you SLI the top available GPU model, like the 1080 SLI.

1070 SLI performs 35% less than a 1080 when your game / app only uses 1 GPU.

Only a fraction of the apps / games I buy don't support SLI - because I only buy games that support SLI now or will eventually support SLI.

But that was with a 980m SLI, with a 1070 SLI even a single 1070 should easily play 99% of games at highest settings.

A single 1080 is still preferable for mobile use, but if you really want the top performance of an SLI, I'd still get the 1080 SLI - if you aren't going to move it around a lot you'll really appreciate the 18.4" screen

 

I would almost say that 1070Sli is a hybrid solution... Not the best in Sli and not the best single graphics if needed. Rather buy machine with 1080 single graphics card. Or you buy a machine with single 1080 with upgrade possibility for Sli(a bit more costy). If you have all the money → → → 1080SLI. Don't waste your money on 1070Sli.

 

I see it differently, the performance difference between 1070 & 1080 is not massive, yet the price difference is a lot larger, so 1070 is actually a better performance/value card with the same performance value carrying over to sli. I'm talking from comparing prices of desktop 1070 cards with 1080 cards, but I'm assuming the large price difference remains the same between laptops with 1070 vs 1080.

 

My answer was more intended for the purchase of machines with 1070 SLI. Not specifically about machines with single 1070

 

Although I still see 1070 sli as better perf value than 1080 sli (talking desktop, but still relevant to notebook if same large difference in price between 1070 & 1080 laptop).