*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Single 1070 →→ Single 1080 →→ Machine with Single 1080, but with the option to upgrade to 1080SLI. 1070Sli falls between two chairs. And a Downer if you must run single graphics.

 

Got it, so there's no risk of a laptop with SLI cards going out of utility in future because with multi-GPU support, games would still be able to use the two cards with the SLI functionality switched off. This gives me some confidence, thank you

To be honest, since today morning, I have been inclined towards getting a GT73 with a 6820HK CPU and 1080 GPU but this configuration is not available with Amazon or Box.co.uk, which are the two vendors with decent reviews. There is another vendor called Scan and they have it in stock but they have terrible reviews of customer service. That's why I am vary of ordering it from them and thinking of just getting the SLI with the 6820HK or the one with a single 1070. The price difference between the model with a single 1070 and the SLI is about £625 before taxes, utterly confused now. How much is the gtx1080 card if I were to buy it separately and swap it out since the module is MXM?

Yup, the price difference between the laptop with a single 1070 and a single 1080 is roughly £400 before taxes. For the SLI versions, the price difference is about £1100 without taxes

How is the quality on the MSI btw? I am still confused if I want to spend nearly £600 extra over a laptop with a single 1070, but how reliable and durable are they? And I have heard of these laptops being plagued by fan noise issues, some kind of whistling sound on the CPU fan...how common is that issue?

Lastly, anybody has any experience with Box.co.uk?

 

MSI ? MXM ? Don't be so sure about it, they may even not sell them at all

 

Wow, massive difference in price between 1080 sli and 1070 sli, I really don't see the added value of 1080 sli to be £1100 over 1070 sli! I'd rule out the 1080 sli for a start then.

1070 vs 1070 sli with a £625 difference, and a single 1080 being £400 difference to single 1070 - yes now this is a conundrum! Notebookcheck.net shows 1070 sli giving a firestrike graphics score of 34257, 1080 gives 21641 score, so 1070 sli is best case 58% faster than GTX 1080 because scaling in GPU benchmarks is normally close to 100% scaling efficiency whereas in games it can vary from say 60-100% efficiency (if sli compatible). 60% sli scaling efficiency would get you around 27400 Firestrike score vs GTX 1080 at 21641 score, so about 25% faster than GTX 1080 with a 60% scaling efficiency. So, to sum it up a GTX 1070 sli will cost you £225 more than a single GTX 1080, but in sli supporting games you will get 25-58% more performance than a single GTX 1080 - is that performance difference worth £225? I think that performance difference is worth it considering the large cost of the total laptop. You will be disappointed when certain games don't support sli though, but a single 1070 has loads of performance for today's games anyway - I know because I've got a desktop 1070 and I'm gaming at 1080p and 144Hz(144fps)!

(I'll put these links up here, this is where I got the Firestrike numbers from, useful for your reference):
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1070-Laptop.169549.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1080-Laptop.171212.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1070-SLI-Laptop.178633.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1080-SLI-Laptop-Benchmarks-and-Specs.178631.0.html

Might be worth having a look at the actual gaming performance of each of those configurations, that's listed at the above links too. I haven't had the time to analyse that, worth you having a look before deciding. EDIT: a quick scan of the gaming performance at the above links has left me with the impression that sli scaling is quite impressive, I think the 1070 sli is worth the £225 more than single 1080.

 

SLI? LMAO. Let's look at the state of SLI in the most recent AAA releases:

GoW4 - No Explicit mGPU support
Dishonored 2 - No SLI support
Mafia III - No SLI support
Titanfall 2 - No SLI support
CoD: Infinite Warfare - No SLI support
BF1 - Flickering in SLI since Fall Update
W_D2 - CPU-bound, bad scaling w/o custom profile and driver hack, SLI auto-disables Temporal Filtering

TL;DR Get a single 1080. Your sanity will thank you. 1080 SLI only if you have 4K screen and your NVPI-fu is over 9000.

 

Most of the games listed on notebookcheck.net have quite good sli scaling, there's only a few that don't benefit.

 

For example?

 

You can't talk about high end laptops, sanity, and being practical at the same time

Talk to a non-computer gamer about any dGPU laptop priced over the cost of a good used car, and you won't get looks of understanding...

The top GPU SLI laptops, like the 1080 SLI laptops will be too expensive for all but the dedicated.

You don't look, you just jump off that cliff and fly high with 1080 SLI

 

I'm not gonna list them all, that's one of the reason why I listed those links to notebookcheck.net in my earlier post. Just look at the game performance charts on the GTX 1070 sli page I linked. You can click on the 'Compare' button next to each game to see how GTX 1070 sli ranks vs other GPUs. Most of the games scale quite well there, some don't, but I was generally impressed by the scaling. Have a look at the links if you want, I'm not gonna distill all the info, I don't have the time or inclination. That's just my view after looking over those links, the guy I was advising can do likewise if he likes - it's just hard info to make of what you will.

 

You can always count on an SLI detractor to climb out of the darkness to bad-mouth SLI, and you can count on them to keep an up to date list of a handful of the latest games that don't yet support SLI as their *huge* reason to poo-poo SLI

That list used to include almost every new game at release. After a few months each and every one drops off the list as SLI support is added. DX12 might take longer, but it already supports multiple GPU rendering - not SLI - but still it will use both of your GPU's, eventually.

I'm not saying his list isn't valid, I am sure it is well researched, but the fact is you could take any point in time since SLI arrived and build a similar list of current games that don't support SLI, and eventually many will support SLI, and a few still won't.

That's why I recommend getting SLI with the highest GPU spec available, so even if 10% of the games never support SLI, you can run them at the highest single GPU performance available.

For me SLI is a huge win most of the time, since I only buy games when they support SLI, I don't need to worry much about non-SLI games.

There are always plenty of games available to play that support SLI

 

None of the games I listed, however.

 

managed to get the MSI 1070 installed and working.

 

Guys, thanks to all of you who helped me with my queries on the MSI GT73VR, however, after careful consideration, I have decided to retain my order on the Alienware for now. I checked out the MSI in person and for some reason, despite all that power, the look and feel of that laptop just doesn't seem to justify the price tag. Even my 6 year old Alienware looks sturdier and well built in comparison.

So, unless Dell messes up again with either a further delayed delivery or a faulty product, I shall stick to Alienware for now. Else, will just wait for something better to come out I guess.

 

what was the culprit? how did u get it working?

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And we wanna have some piktschaas, benching runs, etc. @thegh0sts

 

the culprit was the vbios - it just didn't play nice with the gsync panel so i got a new vbios from woodzstack and i flashed it through the screen corruption.

glad it got sorted.

 

before vs. after bench scores or it didnt happen

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For those of you who were waiting on Kaby Lake to get a Pascal-based system, Kaby Lake appears to be underwhelming:

http://laptopmedia.com/news/exclusive-first-intel-core-i7-7700hq-benchmarks/

Might make sense to get a great deal on 6700HQ system once they try to clear stock!

 

That is really disappointing... Intel are literally taking the piss now!



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Tick... Tock... Rebadge.

 

When you crazy enough to buy this low entry 7700hq... Expect the same or actually slightly lower bench score than its predecessor 6700BGA This Depends on how good OEM's is to destroy the firmware in your prefered laptop models http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-6700HQ-Notebook-Processor.149420.0.html
Compare with Intel Core i7-7700HQ 7.53 (+2%) 684 (+3%) CB R11.5 and 15
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_6700hq/

 

1050 gtx laptops slowly leaking...

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Leaks-...ebooks-may-ship-before-new-year.187960.0.html

On top of that, google found a test website for Asus models:
http://showcase.insowe.com/AsusFX753VE/

You can change the last phrase of the web address to:
AsusFX553VD (15", 1050 gtx)
AsusFX553VE (15", 1050 gtx Ti)
AsusFX753VD (17", 1050 gtx)
AsusFX753VE (17", 1050 gtx Ti)

 

I think that it is very clear that the next serious improvement in mobile CPU power from Intel is going to come in Q2 2018 when Cannonlake-H releases.

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Yeah. Low powered BGA 45w 6 cores And I wouldn't speculate in what clock speed will be

 

Does anyone has information about 1030/1040/1050?

 

Fair enough. However, compared to the pathetic gains of the 7700HQ over the 6700HQ, it will be a relatively serious improvement.

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It's like they're all heading towards mobile phone type CPU's. More cores, lower clocks, low TDP...

 

...well I just see that as an invitation to speculate.

How about...ballpark figure ...lower base clock [~2.2 GHz], about the same single core top turbo as previous HQs [~3.6] ...and in the middle, top 6 core use of ~3GHz.

 

I'm afraid it will be something like this fiasco... Intel Core 2 Quad Q9000. Low clock speed and more cores. Anyone remember the M$ Morons talk highly about gaming will get better support for multiple cores aka more cores? Yeah it's time for more cores... And I don't think we shall expect ~+3GHz over all cores with the next level BGA trash. Lower the better due low TDP I think
Bro @ajc9988 @Mr. Fox can chime in. No in hell a low powered 6 cores 45W chips will do you any good.

 

Nah, that would be a real joke, and a complete waste of money. No thank you. I will pass on the trash. Absolutely not interested.

 

The problem isn't the hardware, but the software! Most games still favor high speed single and dual core setups, which is why quad core with high speed is king! When you run into the CPU being the bottleneck, going to 6 cores can help, but still, most games show ZERO benefit above 6 cores/12 threads. Further, if the cores reduce the speed so much and the program cannot use more than the six cores, then the 4 core with higher speed, under certain conditions, and if the speed is fast enough, will outperform the higher-core, lower speed processor ( @D2 Ultima, you describe this more elegantly than I do. Please explain this).

Basically, the idea of DirectX 12 and asynchronous computing is to distribute the load better among the cores. The truth is software, even with these advances, are not great at using them yet and that is where a lot of limitations come from.

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Speaking of games... this was too good to pass up today.

 

Thanks! Is that the newest one?

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Yeah, You talk about hardware vs. software in games. Remember M$ will be more and more into gaming. First step is already done... Win trash Store. Newest feature is drivers specially for their games as you know. We haven't yet seen what M$ can do... You need more cores if Micro$oft shall gathering more data with Telemetry from you

 

Most games show ZERO benefit above 2 cores 4 threads.
A significant portion of games show benefit up to 4 cores 4 threads.
A MUCH smaller (but increasing in size with recent AAA titles) portion of games show benefit up to 4 cores 8 threads.
A very small portion of games, almost nonexistent, show benefit up to 6 cores 6 threads without benefitting from 4 cores 8 threads.
An extremely tiny portion of games, slightly larger than the above category, show benefit from 6 cores 12 threads or more physical/logical threads.

If you hit a CPU bottleneck, more cores is not automagically even the answer. Killing Floor 2 for example runs exactly ONE CPU thread per GPU. On a single GPU system, let's say you're going for 144fps, your load on a stock 6700K with basic JEDEC DDR4 might look like... 70%, 0%, 12%, 2%, 13%, 1%, 11%, 2%. Assuming nothing else but Steam, monitoring software (to see the load distribution), and Killing Floor 2 is running. Let's say you have two GPUs. That load now looks like this:
70%, 0%, 82%, 2%, 13%, 1%, 11%, 2%. Notice how it simply adds CPU load to the second core, ignoring hyperthreads, while making that second core do its basic job it was always doing? Yeah. Adding a hexacore doesn't even distribute the load better. It just uses four and doesn't touch hyperthreads unless it's a 2c/4t system.

In the above case, a hexacore CPU with a lower clockspeed is a detriment more than a benefit. Though the game scales very well with good RAM, reducing the CPU load significantly, laptops don't really have good RAM in DDR4 yet. And even if they did, most websites won't sell them as an option and even fewer people will realize it makes a difference because of idiots on places like /r/pcmasterrace who are convinced any i5 and any RAM you toss in a system is absolutely perfect for all games ever, and that there's 0 difference between single/dual/quad channels for all games.

The only stock laptop CPU that isn't an absolute and complete detriment to all existing mobile Pascal chips is the i7-6920HQ because it boosts "all the way" to 3.4GHz under 4-core loads. And even then, I consider 3.6GHz to be a minimum requirement for something like a 1060, and 4GHz+ to be a minimum requirement for a 1070 or higher. If there's a hexacore chip that boosts under 3GHz when fully stressed, it'll be the most overpriced, worthless piece of garbage that we'll ever come across. It might help for the purpose of heavier CPU loads, but for gaming it'll be largely pointless. Even if the 4-core boost was much higher than the 6-core boost, as soon as your system puts load on the 5th or 6th cores for any reason (and W10 is pretty much required for Kaby Lake onward, isn't it? W10 does what it wants... it running some crap in the background is pretty much par for the course in my mind) the speed would significantly drop and you'd not only get a big framedrop if you're at a CPU bottleneck, but you'll also feel some serious stutter/judder when it happens. Instantaneous stutter/judder is enough to get people killed in games, even if it's only for a second or two.

As for DX12/Vulkan, they do inherently cut CPU loads and distribute among a lot of cores yes... but they're still buggy. Most DX12/Vulkan titles perform worse than DX11/OGL counterparts for nVidia, which is 100% of the gaming laptop market, and have a far higher chance of crashing as well. It would make more sense to just buy a higher speed quadcore than rely on immature software tech to compensate for a bad product. It's the same reason why I bash AMD cards for pushing DX12/Vulkan as being the reason to get their cards because their DX11 drivers have lots of CPU driver overhead, and their OGL drivers are just so bad that their performance is sometimes HALVED compared to nVidia for otherwise equal cards.

 

Will the 1080ti become a mobile offering? Can any of the 1080 bearing laptops handle the power requirement increase from 180w to 250w?

Even shifted down a bit for mobile, say from 150w to 220w, it's still a bit leap.

NVIDIA Confirms GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Pascal Enthusiast 4K Graphics Card – GTX 980 Ti Owners First To Avail Pre-Order or “Step Up” Offers
By Hassan Mujtaba Posted Dec 17, 2016
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-confirmed/

"The upcoming GeForce GTX 1080 Ti graphics card has been confirmed by NVIDIA in a post on LinkedIn. The GeForce GTX 1080 Ti will be aimed at the enthusiast market and there will be a special deal for GTX 980 Ti owners before launch."

The GTX 1080Ti is confirmed, GTX 980Ti owners may get ‘first spot in line’ December 19th, 2016 at 9:13 pm - Matthew Wilson
https://www.kitguru.net/components/...gtx-980ti-owners-will-get-first-spot-in-line/

"KitGuru Says: The big news here is that Nvidia has publicly acknowledged the GTX 1080Ti. Now we just have to wait and see if earlier rumours were accurate in indicating a January launch."

Nvidia confirms GTX 1080 Ti and unveils Club GeForce Elite
http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-confirms-gtx-1080-ti-and-unveils-club-geforce-elite/

"Nvidia has been keeping very quiet about the GTX 1080 Ti, but the company has apparently confirmed its existence in a job description on LinkedIn (via PC World). The job opening is no longer accepting applications, but it was for a "Senior Marketing Manager – GeForce, Gamer Loyalty & Advocacy.""

 

Was hoping i could trade in my 980 Tis for a discounted 1080 Ti sli deal. Would have been awesome.

I dont want first in line for founders edition trash.

 

As it turns out FE cards tend to clock better (than aftermarket cards) once water-cooled, making a mockery of AIB buyers such as myself Even if you're not water-cooling, it might still make sense to stick with blower coolers for SLI.

 

Not for me, my case has plenty of room for airflow, triple fans do a lot better. And I also don't wanna pay 100+ for blower style, it should be less.

 

For people that don't get to see the manufacturing, testing, qualification or acceptance processes, it's a great overview that not many companies open up and show.

MSI gaming notebook with state-of-the-art technology
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-gaming-notebook-with-state-of-the-art-technology.799543/

 

How about you put it in a thread dedicated to pro MSI viral marketing

 

BTW, there was a leak of the Dell XPS15 with 1050.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/XPS-15...print-scanner-and-Windows-Hello.188069.0.html

 

That's a good idea, I'll edit a pointer to it in the post.

I don't see it as viral marketing, I see it as a view into the equipment, design, qualification, testing, and QC used for manufacturing, not just for MSI, but for other electronics.

We don't see much of that here, and it's something I find useful to share with people that have no hands on experience with technical hardware.

 

I wonder if they offer a discount on the laptops they drop tested?


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I wonder if it applies mostly to new models, seeing it is a GT73 on video. I wonder if mine was dropped and poked around by machines ?!

 

Lol did you get a discount?


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Nope and I don't intend to go throw my laptop around to see if it can take it haha

 

Yeah... don't In high school one guy came the year after we all got our laptops (4kg Pentiums with 12 inch screen) and he had the next year's P133 based model. He boasted about how awesome and how tough it was... so with a "watch this" he dropped it on its corner from waist height onto concrete ... you could say the only impressive thing was how far some of the plastic shrapnel flew

 

https://www.theitdepot.com/details-...,+1TB,+GTX+1060+6GB,+Windows10)_C9P27917.html

This Kaby Lake model popped up.

 

Some chart from the mobile 1050 gtx Ti and non-Ti http://www.ithome.com/html/digi/283758.htm Unfortunately the screenshots are very low quality, but zooming in, you can guess some values. Small excerpt:

960m: 100%
1050m: 131%
1050m ti: 181%

Not entirely surprising, but the 1050 non-Ti seems to suck more than expected. I expected at least 150% performance. What a joke. This practically makes any non-Ti laptop non-desirable. They should have named it 1040.