*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Think of all those *happy* who bought this ↑↑↑... Aka come from an 3-4 or even 5 years older machine, and now get lower processing power, HaHa

 

Weren't you the one who said P95 and FurMark was an unrealistic load? And yet you discard everything else in that review and focus on the fact that the notebook, which is focused squarely in the low mid-range, throttles when a extreme performance load is applied?

Tell me, who's going to buy a Pavilion to render, transcode or even game at the high end? It has a GTX 1050, for heaven's sake. That's a GPU that's hardly more powerful than a GTX 960M.

Unrealistic expectations + narrow-mindedness = hypocrisy.

It's like expecting a Civic to perform like an Aventador, and complaining that it doesn't, after having test-driven it.

 

What a lot of rot.

What we are discussing is a 7700HQ equipped laptop that suffers from poor "burst" performance from idle relative to other 7700HQs, and over sustained load gets even worse and cannot maintain even its base clock and is on par with Sandy bloody Bridge mobile quad performance. There is no excuse to be made, if the cooling system or power delivery can't handle a hyperthreaded quad core they should not have specced that CPU in the system they should have gone for a 4 thread or dual core. Because performance is so badly constrained so far below base clock or thermal limits even on CPU only benchmarks it has to be design throttle - HP have crippled performance on purpose. Maybe they know the cooling is inadequate, maybe they're designing it to the power adapter limit, maybe they want to extend battery life results at cost of CPU powah? Whatever... fact is, buyers expecting a 7700HQ level of performance are being ripped off if they buy this laptop as it stands.

Your civic/lambo analogy is just ridiculous. This is someone buying a Type R - and hidden ECU programming nerfs performance back to that of a normal 4 banger Civic as soon as you change out of 1st.

 

Funny thing eh. Omen 17 with the 4 screws heatsink still goes to 89c under a more realistic load of OCCT and Firestrike Loop ultra.



edit: I would know because I owned one

 

Was it undervolted?

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I think the main thing is that it's almost like false advertising putting an i7-7700HQ in a laptop that can't handle the heat or power and therefore makes it throttle and under-perform all over the place. In my view the choice of components should match the thermal & power budgets that the laptop imposes - not only would it be better value for the consumer it would also not provide unrealistic expectations of the performance.

 

Please read!! I post results also for "SINGLE LOAD" aka benchmarks like Cinebench R15. And I can't change how the reviewers want to execute benchmarks. Regarding 1050... Isnt this the
*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread?

SEE... Is Cinebench R15 an "EXTREME" Performance Load? Oh, well.

Exactly. They are ripped of if they come from an +5 years old machine and the new modern *high end* Intel i7 processor can't compete with what they already had!!! One word... SCREWED

 

Just ran CB R15 on my P170EM. i7-3720QM with 16gb of KVR DDR3-1600 (i.e. budget RAM): 578 then 560 then 564
Then I realised XTU had reset itself to default, so that was BONE STOCK 45W TDP 2.6ghz base and 3.6ghz max single core turbo
I reapplied the unlocked turbo limits and extra 4 bins (to x38/38/39/40 max turbo), it sat on 3.8GHz the whole time - max 77C with no hard mods only liquid metal and tape on the fan/grille gaps - and it did between 625-635 until I got bored watching it

This is on the CPU which was released at the SAME price point of USD $378 as the 7700HQ on 23rd April... 2012

Definitive proof CPU performance has gone LITERALLY NOWHERE IN LAPTOPS IN FIVE YEARS

 

yes

 

Yikes! Damn that is bad thermal engineering.

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Erm... Nope. On a well-built machine like the Clevo P670HS-G, the 7700HQ achieves some 740 points in CB R15 64-bit, which is around 30% better with respect to your Ivy Bridge CPU at stock. It's not Moore's Law levels of better, but it's a decent improvement. It isn't Intel's fault if OEMs implement their CPUs with lousy power delivery and thermal dissipation.

 

Although that also helps prove the point that you shouldn't put something like the 7700HQ in a laptop that can't cool it - almost false advertising by having components that underperform in respect to expectations. Yes, it's the OEM's fault.

 

Reminds me of a very old Acer I had, they equiped it with a Turion 64 and an ATi X700 64Mb. I had a problem where both the GPU and CPU got way too hot and often ran at 50% of their performance targets.

Acer responded that I was not using it for the intended use and that the laptop was working as designed. That was the last Acer I used haha.

 

Fairplay, that's what I'd do too!

 

I really don't get the tripod thinghy.

How much can they possibly save from using one less screw? Really. I doubt that all those engineers are stupid, so how come?

Using sub-par fans and thinner copper pipes I understand, but a screw? Really?

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It's not about saving money on screws, it's about PCB component placement.

 

There are more into than this. Smaller MB PCB size means lower cost for the ODM. When the MB being smaller in size = Less space to assemble the fourth screw. Aka double win Remember ODM could design and use more potent cooling than what is being used in most part of their laptop models. But COST prevent this. Every Dime counts!!

 

Tripod heatsink is ok if you make it correctly, example is in this GS63 review

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-gs63vr-6rf-review.803186/#post-10497486

You can see that the "tripod" is made out of a solid aluminum brace, thick and strong to apply the needed pressure of mounting.





Dumb tripod design includes the HP that papusan posted and the notorious pascal Alienware BGAbooks.

 

Fair enough. It's just that 99% of manufacturers using the tripod design use flimsy crap.

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I think it's probably just a design technique with a slimmer margin of error compared to 4 screw.

 

We can see that with 3 screws the temps are garbage anyways

 

And here is more of same TRIPOD bro @Mobius 1 Aka Reviews of Nexoc G739 (Clevo N870HK1) AS STATED IN THE REVIEW " Here as well, more powerful cooling would be a good idea." See also my comment regarding cooling in post #3863


UNGINE HEAVEN (BTW. TOO HEAVY BENCHMARKS FOR COMPUTERS AND SHOULD PERHAPS BE SKIPPED BY NOTEBOOKCHECK.NET ?)


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Btw. The Monstrous AcerBook 21 X is out. Read comments in the read Box

 

Precision M6600 had tripod mounted cpu cooling and had no issues. Heck it was cooler and quieter than M6800...

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The older more powerful Dell models as M6600 were made thicker than today's Turds and the "Tripod" was made out of a solid aluminum piece. + the cooling was designed for use with Extreme mobile i7. A significant difference from what is pushed out nowadays.

 

That Acer is the most grotesquely overpriced and, CPU-wise, underpowered laptop I have seen. They probably could have fit a 6950X + 1080 Ti SLI in that if they had really tried.

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Latest XPS 9560 BIOS (1.2.4) may brick notebook

"Dell's most recent BIOS for the XPS 9560, version 1.2.4, seems to be causing many notebooks to become unbootable after upgrading. Ironically, the update (which is for some reason still available on Dell's site days after the problem was reported to the company) says that it will improve the Thunderbolt Adapter Boot feature."

What good is to report problems, when the response is as it is? Bricked Dell machines have been the Golden standard in the past +2 years. A bunch of the AWBooks experienced this as I know.
Edit. As we talk about the sun

 

Quoting myself. No answer to this question ?
I hate turbo boost 3 so much. Can't get past 1650mhz at 100% load, even if gpu temps NEVER raise above 63 degrees after hours of witcher 3 in 4K. I have so much headroom for higher frequencies...
And no control over voltage or anything is kind of pissing me off

 

Frankenstein Become reality and it's on it's way Welcome to Nvidia GTX 1080 "Max-Q"

"The GTX 1080 currently has the designation GP104, the shown Triton 700 on the other hand shows a GP104M..." Yeah, nGreedia isn't finished with the Mobile naming"

Edit. Maybe we later will se a gimped down 1080TI ?

 

Ha, yeah, I just read this on notebookcheck.net! Yes, a low power version of the GTX 1080 - lower clocks & voltage in order to try & squeeze it into thin & light. I suppose this was always gonna be on the cards because at the high end of clock speed these Pascal GPUs start to become very innefficient, moving further down the frequency-voltage scale was always gonna bring increased efficiency.

 

They couldn't help themselves. They axed the old standard because they wanted laptops to sport the same hardware and nomenclature as desktops. Now they're back on the mobile GPU train. Ahh lol... these guys can't keep their hands off the udder.

 

Why couldn't they just make a different numbering system for the cut down versions? Or number them by where they would fit into the lineup performance-wise?

 

Alienware 17R4 reviewed (6820hk and 1080) And, yeah TRIPOD follow the bandwagon. From the final Verdict... Alienware has always been Apple in the gaming industry for better or worse.

"After a full disassembly of the machine, we found out that the motherboard holds only two RAM slots, which is two slots short compared any other high-end gaming laptop currently on the market. This means only 32GB of DDR4-2666 RAM, which should be more than enough for the common user and gamer. However, if you plan to do some video editing on the go with the Alienware 17 R4, consider this shortcoming."

"After turning on the GPU stress test, we noticed something interesting going on there. The CPU periodically resides to around 2.7 GHz, which is the base clock speed of the chip, and when the cooling system catches up, it goes back to 3.1 GHz."

 

I really depends what settings and frame rates your shooting for and what games you play.I was using a single 970m while waiting for the 1080 and it still provided a decent gaming experience with minor tweaking.

 

Alienbook 17R4 (7820HK - GTX 1080) Laptop Review by Notebookcheck.net With the Amazing score of...


And can't come on the NBC list of the 10 best ranked Gaming laptops!!


Processor
"The i7-7820HK is one of the fastest mobile Kaby Lake CPUs available and its performance is predictably impressive. CineBench Single-Thread and Multi-Thread scores are about 10 percent and 25 percent faster than the i7-6820HQ in the latest MacBook Pro 15 while managing to be on par with the desktop i7-6700K at stock speeds. Interestingly, the Asus G701VIK with the same i7-7820HK CPU is able to outperform the Alienware by about 8 percent in single-threaded workloads. Gamers are unlikely to notice the performance benefits of the i7-7820HK as the popular i7-7700HQ is already more than sufficient for gaming."

Storage Devices
"Sequential read and write rates are fast as expected from a primary SSD, but they are disappointingly average when compared to most other NVMe SSDs. In particular, the Toshiba THNSN5512GPU7 in the Acer Predator 17 X and the Samsung SM951 in the Aorus X7 DT v6 each have sequential write speeds about twice as fast as our Sk Hynix PC300. This is still a slight improvement from the Samsung PM951 in the older Alienware 17 R3, but this seems like a missed opportunity for Dell to source faster SSD solutions instead of the PC300."

Stress Test
"Witcher 3 load is a better representation of real-world gaming stress than both Unigine Valley and our extreme conditions above. Running the title for nearly an hour shows notable dips in frame rates over time from ~79 FPS to ~72 FPS as represented by our graph below, so the GPU is unable to sustain maximum Boost clock rates over extended periods. GPU clock rates can be seen slowly decreasing from 1848+ MHz down to a steady ~1771 MHz towards the end of the Witcher 3 stress test according to GPU-Z."
Both the CPU and GPU become alarmingly warm in the 100 C and 88 C ranges, respectively, so the variable clock rates is likely necessary to keep temperatures in check. Nonetheless, users can be assured that the CPU and GPU will not throttle and will in fact remain above their base respective clock rates of 2.9 GHz and 1582 MHz when gaming at the cost of some very warm silicon. We suspect that the lower-end SKUs of the 17 R4 will run cooler than our topped off configuration on hand."

 

Thats a lot of negatives man. I never hear the fans on my MSI GT73VR Titan Pro compared to what the review says its very loud on the AW 17. Mr. Azor needs to make a new cooling solution AND give more ports for both SSDs an an SD Card Reader and more USB ports

 

I love this comment regarding Throttling. I know it's true, but... You know me
"Witcher 3 load is a better representation of real-world gaming stress than both Unigine Valley and our extreme conditions above.
Both the CPU and GPU become alarmingly warm in the 100 C and 88 C ranges, respectively, so the variable clock rates is likely necessary to keep temperatures in check. Nonetheless, users can be assured that the CPU and GPU will not throttle and will in fact remain above their base respective clock rates of 2.9 GHz and 1582 MHz when gaming at the cost of some very warm silicon. We suspect that the lower-end SKUs of the 17 R4 will run cooler than our topped off configuration on hand." Yeah, I know the processor don't throttle if the clock speed is above or same as PROCESSOR BASE CLOCK FREQUENCY!! From Intel's spec

 

That CPU is too darn hot! Is it the tripod?!

 

Yeah, This smell TRIPOD long way. Only 103C Cpu Package temp and +83C on PCH chips. Read the whole review bruh. Dell use Junky cheap ssd's who boiling in the chassis, A <huge> amounts of USB ports, dp1.2 +++ Almost same review conclusion as in my previous post about Dellienware. A wimpy 85% rating can't even come in by the top 10 on NBC website for Gamingbooks!!

 

On the other hand, the notebook coming in second on that list is also an Alienware, the 13 R3 model, with a score of 88%, also a 'BGA-turd-joke-small-trash' notebook that's a puny turd and cannot compare to the P870KM1. But then, according to NBC, it is second to none but the Clevo itself. Make of that what you will!

P.S. It also has a 'tripod' heatsink:

 

Yeah you made actually a point... It's seems Cheaper the better from the Dell Camp Beat its own more expensive Big sister

 

Honestly though. I've used the AW13 R3 in person. If there's one small notebook I'd want to replace my W230SS, it's that. Literally the only thing wrong with it is that it doesn't have a 2.5" slot... They might've made the battery smaller to accommodate that. The other thing wrong with it is that it is bloody expensive. But it is powerful for its size; roughly the same volume as my current machine, but the GPU is 3-3.5X as powerful, and the CPU is 30% more powerful.

 

Yeah, Wasted money!!

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BTW Lenovo Legion Y720 (7700HQ - GTX 1060) BGABOOK - Notebook.check

TRIPOD has become an epidemic that is hard to stop... Stop buying Trash. Maybe we can see a change!!

 

RAZERBOOK Pro 2017 review by Ultrabookreview.com

TRIPOD CPU HS DESIGN + Thin Apple design with unlocked 7820hk + 1080 = Massive Throttling!! As expected. See my post regarding what I said about 7820hk in Racerbook Pro 2017!!

"But when you add in the keyboard that I struggled with, the overclockable CPU that can’t be overclocked without throttling, the high surface temperatures, poor battery life and the very high price? Well…I have to draw the line somewhere."

"But that’s the thing, right? Why not just put a 1070 in there, which can be fully powered and is still overclockable? I’m guessing it’s for marketing, although it’s true this 1080 is slightly faster than most of the OC 1070s out there. Personally I’d like the sticker price to come down a little, so I would rather have seen a 1070."


Edit... Why hate if the haters win? Maybe they understand very well what will happen when you pair hot BGA hardware in a too thin chassis with loosy cooling. I think several of us have already warned that this MESS would happen. Quite obvious. But why ask?

 

Well... There is only one thing to wish: For people to make better research so they understand well what to expect

I mean, I honestly want everyone to get what they need and wish for, let's just have a large information area where we all share things so people understand what they are buying! This should make most people most happy!

 

Although how much info You push out... Some opt for design before performance or fully working computers. Not much more you can do Or of course, You can push out more info!!

 

The war against trash will be a never-ended battle. The world is full of BGA trashbooks and there are plenty of people that are willing to consume this filth. I'm happy to not be one of them, but it's still sad to watch.

 

Aorus X3 Plus v7 (i7-7820HK + 1060) Laptop Review-NBC No TRIPOD this time, but still Crippled!!


"Here, as in all other tests from NBC... i7-7820HK @ 4.3 GHz fail when it comes to performance. Fully throttling as expected." Even the single shoot up to 819cb in Cinebench R15 with @4.3GHz is a very crippled bench score. Very Crippled!!





"What is the purpose of delivering a psu that can not deliver sufficient power? The user must exercise caution when pushing the device. Why deliver this machine with an unlocked BGA chip?" I can't get it.

This 7820HK BGA chip hits its 4.3 GHz overclock in Witcher 3, before dialing back to 4.0 - 4.1 GHz. Perhaps an idea Gigabyte engineers put OC to 4.0 - 4.1 GHz as a maximum in firmware or software? No point with PUSH for 4.3GHz in LapBooks like this.



VERDICT
The X3 Plus v7 is an ambitious device. It continues Aorus' push to fit powerful hardware into a compact case. Unfortunately, the X3 tries to have its cake and eat it too, and the end result is a notebook of compromise. While there are some definite highlights, there were corners cut to achieve this level of performance, and Aorus may have sliced the wrong edges.

Unfortunately, this performance comes at a cost. The chassis is too small to proficiently manage the heat generated by the internals, which forces the fans to ramp up frequently and aggressively as they try to dump enough heat to keep things going. The end result is a loud notebook that will run hot and thermally throttle under heavy strain. Also, the immense power draw that pulls more than the PSU can supply is cause for some concern. Again, users should exercise caution when pushing the notebook to its limits.

YEAH, A NEW MESSED UP BGA MODEL!! AS EXPECTED!!

 

But why is it not full power?

Not fully sure I understand what is going on

 

It's a castrated turdbook. That's what is going on. It can't work well. It's designed by Intel to not work well.

 

But why?... It seems like... I had a laptop way before that had a similar problem. It would heat all the way to 99C then throttle. I don't get it. Why not at least slow down the clock until it doesn't heat up? IT is unclear why this is happening.