*Official* nVidia GTX 20xx Series notebook discussion thread

Creating a thread for the 20xx GPU discussions as they are close to release.

As per a chinese leak for the 2060 RTX laptop, performance seems lower than the 1070 which seems disappointing



A 1070 Max Q scores around 6500-6700 so i guess its on par with the 2060.

 

The TDP is identical between the 1070 Max-Q and 2060 Notebook (80-90W). I guess this stands to reason, though I would have hoped for some additional perf-per-watt. A little underwhelming.

 

Yeah , i was hoping as well for some improvement in performance per watt but it does seem like there isnt much. Guessing, this is good news for buyers who can score deals on GTX clearance models and have no interest in the RTX ray tracing marketing.

 

They might be putting more stock on the 11 series that are supposedly coming. At this point the 20 series is just garbage imo.

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I don't see it as anything bad, consider the fact that 11 is out of the benchmark cycle and the fact that I was told the 2060 should only be 100$ more than the 1060 and you get a GPU killer mid. The real card of the series worth looking into is the 2080, which by desktop numbers is slightly faster than the 1080ti.

 

But right now, you can find great deals for laptops with GTX 1070, so same performance with 2GB VRAM extra for less $:
https://www.microcenter.com/product/510722/ge63-raider-rgb-156-gaming-laptop-computer---black
vs:
https://www.xoticpc.com/msi-ge63-raider-rgb-053.html
Paying extra $ for RT gimmick, no thanx.

 

While that's true, don't discount the fact that the drivers for the 1070 are in their prime while the RTX 2060 drovers are in their infancy.

 

Forgive me if I don't panic over a Chinese 3DMark11 screenshot.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-nvidia-driver-updates-performance-tested,5707.html
So, I wouldn't expect a "RTX miracle" from Nvidia.

 

Someone revealed the benchmark of a max design RTX2080 via a hardware test software from China showing the performance only slightly better than a gtx1070 mobile

RTX2080 MQ( the second column is graphic score)



GTX1070 ( the second column is graphic score)



Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLapt...tx2080_maxq_delivers_neck_n_neck_performance/

 

CPU in case of 1070 is 20% faster. Meaning its entirely possible that it is a bottlenecked 2080.

 

Hopefully that is the case. Hoping to see benchmarks tomorrow.

 

What is that window/benchmark thing? Never seen that before.

 

Someone called it out as a Chinese benchmarking app.

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It could also be the Max-q version which has it's base clock at ~750 vs 1350 on the CLEVO/max-p models. In addition please remember we don't know the testing environment yet.

 

I think the benchmarking software is simply benching the tflops of the card.

I don't think nvidia will make the 2080 max-q slower than a full laptop 2070. It's not good for sales.

I think it should at the very least match the laptop 2070 in terms of performance. Last generation's 1080 max-q was very slightly ahead of the full laptop 1070 and bear in mind that the cuda core gap between the XX80 and XX70 has increased going from the 10 series gpus to the 20 series gpus.

2080 vs 2070
(2944 vs 2304, 640 difference)

1080 vs 1070
(2560 vs 2048, 512 difference)

 

Someone on reddit mentioned that the benchmark was done on a razer blade advanced with an 80w tdp 2080 max-q.

And yes, the 1070 was a max-p or regular laptop card.

 

just to let that sink in.... WTF

 

Well, nvidia did say that laptop manufacturers are free to set the TDP on the 2080 max-q laptops. We know the lower limit is 80w but not the upper limit.

There's still hope I guess

 

Because some men just want to watch the world burn.

 

GTX 2060 vs GTX 1070 in games:
https://pclab.pl/art79718-4.html

 

https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/alienware-area-51m

Alienware Area-51M, i9 9900k, RTX 2080, benchmarks and review

 

The processors dont match in that benchmark though which kinda skews up the results especially comparing a 7700HQ vs a 9700K desktop processor?

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060, RTX 2070 & RTX 2080 Laptop GPUs Performance Review

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDI...-Laptop-GPUs-Performance-Review.401266.0.html

GPU performance review by notebookcheck.

 

Wow, after seeing Notebookcheck it seems that no manufacturer dared to use cheaper Micron memories in fear of Space Invaders bug and even the lowest quality manufacturer (Clevo) is using Samsung

 

MSI GS75 Stealth Review RTX 2080 Max-Q

https://www.pcworld.com/article/333...eview-with-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-max-q.html

 

I hope someone also tested the new P775TM

 

Dream Machines RX2070 (Clevo P775):
https://www.purepc.pl/notebooki/test_dream_machines_rx2070_rtx_2070_wydajniejszy_od_gtx_1080

 

The problem is not with the rtx series, the problem is the MaxQ series...

 

Looking at the benchmarks, the price justification for the upgrade to the RTX series GPUs seem pretty disappointing considering they are competing with nearly 3 year old hardware especially the 1070.

May be a good idea for those not on the Ray tracing bandwagon to score deals on the 1070 laptops being cleared out.

 

RTX 2070 non maxq, barely faster than GTX 1070N....

RTX 2070 FC5 = 101avg FPS
GTX 1070N FC 5 = 91FPS

RTX 2070 Shadows of the tomb raider: 83FPS
GTX 1070N Shadows of the tomb raider: 74FPS



Another RTX 2070, which performs even worse or identical to the 1070N.

Well guess RTX took a harder hit by the TDP limits than pascal did.

 

Just like the desktop launch. :/

This generation really has been underwhelming.

 

Rtx2070 is 80C in the p775tm...this is not good, the
rtx 2080 is surely throttling :/

 

#RTXwho

 

Stop making the RTX cards cry

 

The Max-Q branding has been misleading from the start. I don't think the everyday consumer is going to realize that "Max-Q" means it's not a full-power part. (Putting "Max" in the naming? Really?) They'll just read it as "RTX 2080" and think it's like the desktop card.

For honesty's sake, Nvidia might have used something like their old "Go" branding for the notebook-bound GeForce cards. Nvidia GeForce RTX Go2080; something that is clearly different about the name of the product. (At least then when you google "RTX Go2080" it won't show search results for the review of the desktop card hence wouldn't be misleading.)

Charles

 

The most disappointing part for me is that 2060 cards are more or less equivalent to 1070s but seem to be more expensive.

 

It might be disappointing for those upgrading, but for those who currently don't have a laptop and are looking to make the investment, isn't the decrease in temperature enough to justify the additional ~ 200-300$? From everything I've seen the RTX series chips are running cooler than their GTX counterparts.

 

What decrease in temperature?
In the P775TM the RTX 2080 should be 80C, but according to that polish test the RTX 2070 was 80C so the 2080 might be 85-88C as the GTX 1080 was ...

 

I’ve had an 860m for like 5 years, laptop gets hot but it’s fine. My previous laptop was a 230m that you could fry an egg on, but it also lasted like 5 years. I’d definitely rather have a 1070 for 200-300 less than a 2060.

 

Of the several review videos I've watched, none of the MAX-Q or RTX2080's ive seen have gone above 80c at all. That being said, I've only focused on the brands I'm interested in.

I'm new to the scene so I don't have intrepid knowledge of the past generation machines, only know that previous gen of the models I've been looking at (MSI, Asus) all ran a bit more hot. This gen has improved temps.

 

The PCworld review of the GS75 is far more developed. Don't compare firestrike total scores, that is only part of the picture. It seems the RTX 2080 Max Q on the GS75 is close to the stock GTX1080 non max Q, so I assume it is the "90W" version.

 

RTX GPUs are easier to cool, and if you check disassembly videos, you can see how massive the core is compared to the CPU, so I assume cooling is "easier" and thus even thin machines can cool off these neutered versions of massive GPUs.

the RTX2080 falls in line with what I expected, but I am worried about the 2060 and 2070... the 2070 didn't make sense in the desktop world, and I think it will be less relevant in laptops. Hell, I believe the normal 2060 will outclass the 2070 max q, so I am not sure why it exists yet.

 

The auto fan curve is designed to keep it around 80C.

 

How big of a performance jump can we expect going from a full laptop 1070 to a full laptop 2070? Is it significant enough to warrant an upgrade?

 

dude!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...discussion-thread.827176/page-3#post-10855174

 

Around 22% improvement only.

But if you're looking at reducing the weight and thickness of the laptop and not to burn your wallet too much while still having around the same performance as the 1070, then maybe can get a 2060 laptop.

 

What is a typical improvement % from one generation to the next?