PCMark-3DMark05/06 scores for the current laptops.

Much of the credit goes to your original idea
I'm currently adding the price/performance data
ASUS V2Je data will come with the next version

 

iS 3000 a low score for my specs below for 3dmark05?

 

No, the 128MB V-Ram will lower the 3DMark score from ~4200 -> ~3000
P.S. : Can you post the battery info based on the first page.I want to include the info.
Also is the GPU memory 128-bit or 64-bit ?

 

um no idea how do i find out?
I know its 512mb hypermemory

 

The dedicated ram is the thing that matters.It has much higher speed and lower latency.I will find the right utility later.
I just found this utility and tried it,I think I can find out the bandwidth by comparing my info and yours.Run it and save the info into a text file and paste it here.
(Note no warranty)
http://www.m3fe.com/content/fillratetest/

 

It's a Clevo 5760, I assure you it has 512M GDDR3 Ram on the 7900GTX.
Yes glossy screen.
Battery is 8 Cell Li-ion. You can't game/benchmark on the battery, it auto clocks everything down. But "average" use (wireless internet browsing while playing mp3's) gets me about 2 hours.
I'm running XP, if it makes a difference.

Original cost on July 25, 2006: $2277

 

VendorID: 0x1002
DeviceID: 0x71c5
SubSysID: 0xc0171631
Revision: 0x0000
Driver: ati2dvag.dll
Description: ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
Memory bandwidth (0 + 32/32): 5693 MB/sec
Memory bandwidth (16 + 32/32): 5266 MB/sec
Memory bandwidth (32 + 32/32): 4449 MB/sec
GPU fill rate, single-texture (16/0): 1472 Mtexels/sec
GPU fill rate, multi-texture (16/0): 1593 Mtexels/sec

 

Sorry but just one more number
Bring the Catalyst Control Center in the expert mode.
From the right side select : Information Center -> Graphics Hardware
The and see the memory clock there.
[Note : Again, both the Fill Rate Test and this little check here should be done while the laptop is plugged in.So the GPU's power would be used to it's fullest extent]
To Calculate the memory clock :
Bandwidth = (Greatest number for memory bandwidth / GPU memory Clock ) * 8 / 2
(We divide it by 2 in the end because it's DDR2 which means the effective bandwidth is twice the real bandwidth)
For My X1600 = (12000 / 450) * 8 / 2 -> 128-bit
For your X1600 = ( 5693 / it will be around 450Mhz ) * 8 / 2 -> 64-bit

 

How do i find memory bandwidth?

 

You have already posted it.
You just need to find out the GPU Memory clock while it's at the fullest (the the laptop is plugged in)
(Though it will be around 450 just as I said so I'm 95% sure that your memory is 64-bit)
EDIT : Use the greatest number, for you it's 5693MB/s

 

CPU / RAM(size/Bus speed) / HDD(size/RPM) / GPU(name/v-ram/clock (if OC'd or underclocked) / Screen(glare or glossy/Size/Resolution) / Battery(No of Cells/Max life/Life on gaming) / Price in USD / 3DMark 05 & 06 / PCMark 05

Clevo M570U [put together by Hypersonic]
CPU: Core 2 Duo [Merom] T7400 2.16gHz // stock.
Ram: Corsair 2GB pc5400 DDR2, running dual channel.
Hard Drive: Hitachi 160gb 5400rpm
Graphics Card: Nvidia 7950gtx 575mHz core 700mHz ram // stock, using 9.3.7.1 drivers.
LCD: Glare WUXGA+ // resolution: 1920 x 1200.
Battery: 2 8 cell batteries. max life is 100 minutes. gaming is 45 minutes. // one is spare.
Price: 3000USD

3dMark06: 5358 // res: 1280 x 1024.
3dMark05:9664 // res: 1024 x 768.
pcMark05: 4952

 

@ Mujtaba: If you want to include price, you need to also include where they're bought. Otherwise it doesn't tell us anything, since prices are vastly different in different parts of the world. In any case, the (my) A8js in your chart costs $2050, which is a good price here in sweden.

 

Yeah, you're right.
I'm also coming up with some other changes [probably GPU memory bandwidth and performance/price],Hopefully I'll give out the new chart in two weeks (I'm really busy at the moment with study ).

 

Other things to consider: Scores you get with different versions of 3DMark05 and 06 are not comparable. Also driver versions give some different results. At least rounding the numbers a bit might be a good idea.

E.g. currently with latest versions and stock clocks I get about 150 points less in 3DMark05 but about 50 points more in 3DMark06 than what I got with earlier versions. Here's what I got before (see date): http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=1670082&postcount=114 Those scores with stock clocks are at least a bit closer to the stock scores in your chart..

 

Good idea.I will be adding a notice about the error range and the impact that the drivers have on performance.

 

CPU: Core 2 Duo T5500 1.66GHz
RAM: 2Gig, 533MHz
HD: 200 Gigs, 4200RPM
GPU: NVidia Go 7600, 124Mb ram, 350/450Mhz
Screen: 15.4 inch widescreen
Battery: 6 Cell, Max life (doing nothing lol) - ~ 4 hours; gaming - unknown
3DMark05: 1900
3DMark06: 1100
Price: 1550 CND, so ~1350 USD...

Anyone could tell me why my 3DMarks are so low for a go7600? Nobody has given me a straight answer in this forum yet.

 

Badly behaving drivers (perhaps) + A 128 (crippled) GPU memory + probably (I'm not sure) 64-bit interface instead of a 128-bit one + the fact that your GPU is underclocked (It's default seems to be 450/500 ) - note : don't try overclocking unless you make sure the laptop won't overheat.

 

yeah it's probably not the drivers because i updated some recent ones and they still gave the same results. maybe none of them are good? lol ... but how did they get the other benchmarks...
as for the gpu memory, are the benchmarks for go 7600 usually based on 256mb? for example from this source: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html
And would a reduction from 256 to 128 affect the benchmark that seriously? I was thinking the main reason maybe because my go7600 is a 64bit... but where can you check for that? ever since i installed newer versions of nvidia drivers rivatuner has refused to give me any info about my card.

 

Yes they are.

both these thing cripple the GPU

Try this one out :
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=99051&page=11#105

You can roll back, these drivers do weird things once a while...
But first try the newest version of the rivatuner.

 

o wow that's pretty slick thnx mujtaba i'll try it when i get home

 

man it turns out it is 128 bit ... can't believe 128mb of video memory instead of 256 nurfs it so much... AND it still hogs so much of my actual RAM... i think close to 500 mbs. Is there a way to free some of that for my system? Also, what other oc software is there besides rivatuner? it doesn't seem to like my current driver and everything is greyed out.

 

Bandwidth = (Greatest number for memory bandwidth / GPU memory Clock ) * 8 / 2
Did you use this to calculate the Bandwidth ?
The 128-bit is the normal bandwidth for 7600 and the crippled one's come with 64-bit memory.
If you did use this calculation.Then your bandwidth is normal and the lowered clocks and the lesser V-ram are the only one's responsible (A 64-bit memory interface only loweres the 3DMark score of an 7600 to 3000)

 

So based on that theory, is there really so much difference between the 15" MacBook Pro C2D w/ X1600 128MB and the one with X1600 256MB? Is there 128-bit memory bandwidth on both?

How crucial is the GPU for running applications like Photoshop CS3 and 3D Max?
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Fujitsu C-2010, P4 1.6GHz, 256MB RAM, 30GB 4200RPM HD, ATI Mobility Radeon 16MB.. Beat THAT!

 

Are we just using the free version of 3dmark05?

 

Yes, the free version.
1024x768 no AA no texture filtering.

 

OK with new Catalyst drivers and specs below 05: 2970
06:1489

 

It's exactly the same I expect from these specs, no problem

 

I just purchased a Sager 5760 with the following build out:

NP5760V - 17.0" WIDE VIEWING ANGLES WUXGA ACTIVE MATRIX LCD DISPLAY WITH SUPER CLEAR GLOSSY SURFACE NOTEBOOK COMPUTER

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7400 / 4MB L2 Cache, 2.16 GHz, 667MHz FSB

Nvidia GeForce GO 7950 GTX PCI-Express 16X Graphics with 512MB DDR3

2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 2 X 1024MB

100.0GB (SATA 7200rpm) SATA 150 Hard Drive

8X DVD ± R/RW/ 4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Softwares

Smart Li-ION Battery

Integrated 56K V.90 Internal Fax/Modem

Integrated 1000Mbps Ethernet LAN & Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG LAN 802.11a/b/g Module & Bluetooth Module

Genuine Windows XP Professional

ACA-5760, NP5760 110V/220V autoswitch AC Adapter

BAT-5760, Additional NP5760 Smart Li-ION Battery Pack

It gets delivered this Thursday. Any ideas on it's likely 3dmark score? Any ideas about it's potential 3dmark scores?

 

Check the chart on the first page for any laptop with 7950gtx..

 

Just purchased w3j
Out/of box
3dmark05...4205
3dmark06...2182

Upgrade to 7200rpm/clean install xp pro
upgrade to 2gig

oc..507/519
3dmark05..4825
3dmark06..2515
temp 67-82

 

Yeah, I saw that. I guess I was just curious about what differences I can expect between the one posted and my own. I have a T7400 processot and I think the one posted is a 7600. Other than that, my machine has the same amount of RAM and the same GPU.

 

The difference in 3DMark and Gaming between T7400 and T7600 is very little.
The bottleneck is the GPU.

 

is it normal to get different 3dmarks results with different runs?

 

Yes. You rarely get exactly the same result. Read about testing guidelines. The score differs even more with different driver and different 3DMark versions (like difference between 3DMark06 v.1.00 and v1.30). E.g. if you get like 100-300 points less/more than somebody else with the exactly same laptop, it's propably just because of different drivers/3DMark versions or different testing conditions. And don't expect the score be the whole truth about the gaming performance of your machine. It just gives some idea.

 

I bought a computer in Japan from mouse computer ( http://www.mouse-jp.co.jp/m-book/mbp/0705/p530s.html). It has the 1.66Ghz core2duo, 2gb of ram and the Nvidia go 7600 with 256mb of ram dedicated (128bit). I was expecting 3dmark06 scores of around 2000. However Im only getting around 900-1000!!!! Oblivion is virtually unplayable even at pretty low settings (down to single digit fps outside) and fear runs at only about 10-15 fps on high (not maximum) settings. 3dmark06 struggles through at about 1-3 fps for almost all of the test. But then other times I run it, some parts will go up to like 15 fps - whereas the same parts in other runs will be down to 1-3 fps again. Is that normal when running 3dmark06?
I heard that people with the M5550 from Alienware get a similar score - but I dont know if thats the 64bit 128mb version.
Why is it that some computers seem to have half the performance as others with the exact same specifications?
Has anyone tried reverting to windows xp from vista with such system and got a big increase in performance (ie more than 30%)?
Anyone any ideas how to fix this - Ive tried everything I can think of - different drivers, turning the clock settings down a little from the normal 450/350 (in case they were set too high and causing overheating). Checking powersave settings etc.
I heard something about re-applying thermal grease to the graphics processor - anyone any experience of that? Even then, I dont think its that - GPU temp goes to a maximum of 88 degrees under stress.
Any thoughts welcome....

 

The link is giving me 404-not found.
Post the clocks and the 3DMark05 score.
What windows are you using and what is the CPU usage.
Please post a little more info about the rig.
How many fans does it have ?
How warm it gets ?
How old is your windows and have you tried the latest drivers ?

 

Thanks for the reply. Just checking, If you delete the last ")" from the link, it works - I included that by mistake. I am running windows vista ultimate (Japanese which Ive atached the English language pack to). Its a brand new computer. The clocks are set at the manufactured 450(core)/350 mem. I dont have 3dmark05 installed as yet, but I will try to run that asap and update. I dont know much about the fans - when I tried to run ntunes monitor it listed the gpu fans as running at around 300rpm and another fan which it called aux as 35000 rpm (!) - Im not sure if that can be right? I cant get any other programs to tell me about the fans or what theyre doing. The laptop gets warm, but not hot, in my opinion. The fans are quiet apart from about once every 3 or 4 minutes when they turn on fast for 5 seconds or so - this does not seem to change when running 3d applications. ATI tool listed the gpu temps idle about 65-70 degrees going up to a peak of around 88 degrees under stress - I dont know if thats bad. I have tried drivers 96.85, 100.65 and 101.41 - all the same pretty much. I tried the 158.18 but it wouldnt work, so Im gonna try that as soon as I can get the inf file from laptopvideo2go. Im not sure what you mean by cpu usage, but I have a cpu monitor in the sidebar which says both cores are running - they go up to 99-100% when doing the Window Vista Experience Index test or other stressfull applications - I havent monitored that in the 3dmark test - I will try if I can. Under normal desktop use, the monitors say both cores around 5-7% useage and ram is at 28% minumum.

 

Try this thing : http://www.m3fe.com/content/fillratetest/
Tell is to save the results in the .txt file and paste it into your post.

 

Did just that, heres the results...
VendorID: 0x10de
DeviceID: 0x0398
SubSysID: 0x22c01584
Revision: 0x00a1
Driver: nvd3dum.dll
Description: NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600
Memory bandwidth (0 + 32/32): 5928 MB/sec
Memory bandwidth (16 + 32/32): 7548 MB/sec
Memory bandwidth (32 + 32/32): 9165 MB/sec
GPU fill rate, single-texture (16/0): 808 Mtexels/sec
GPU fill rate, multi-texture (16/0): 860 Mtexels/sec

Ive no idea what any of this means to be honest....!

 

Hmmm, bit of strange numbers...
Comparing it with this : http://www.m3fe.com/fillratetestweb/ViewResult.php?id=203
Something is definitely unusual here.
Well, please go and download a utility called "rivatuner" and follow these instructions :
-Go to the main tab.
-In the target adapter field, there is a Customize button with an arrow pointing to the bottom-right.
-One of the buttons that appears is called "graphics subsystem diagnostics report"
-Save it and paste it here.
-Also, there should be another button called "Hardware monitoring"
-Keep the Hardware monitoring window open, run 3DMark (any version) and then click log to file (the button is on the bottom of the charts)

 

Just did the first thing you suggested. Heres the report...
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Northbridge information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0400000000 Description : unknown
$0400000001 Vendor ID : 8086 (Intel)
$0400000002 Device ID : 27a0
$0400000003 AGP bus : not supported
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Display adapter information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0000000000 Description : NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600
$0000000001 Vendor ID : 10de (NVIDIA)
$0000000002 Device ID : 0398
$0000000003 Location : bus 1, device 0, function 0
$0000000004 Bus type : PCIE
$000000000f PCIE link width : 16x supported, 16x selected
$0000000009 Base address 0 : b2000000 (memory range)
$000000000a Base address 1 : c0000000 (memory range)
$000000000b Base address 2 : none
$000000000c Base address 3 : b1000000 (memory range)
$000000000d Base address 4 : none
$000000000e Base address 5 : 00002000 (I/O range)
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff NVIDIA specific display adapter information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0100000000 Graphics core : NV4B/G73 revision A2 (8pp,5vp)
$0100000001 Hardwired ID : 0398 (ROM strapped to 0398)
$0100000002 Memory bus : 128-bit
$0100000003 Memory type : DDR2 (RAM configuration 01)
$0100000004 Memory amount : 262144KB
$0100000100 Core clock domain 0 : 450.000MHz
$0100000101 Core clock domain 1 : 450.000MHz
$0100000102 Core clock domain 2 : 450.000MHz
$0100000006 Memory clock : 351.000MHz (702.000MHz effective)
$0100000007 Reference clock : 27.000MHz

Its late for me here in Tokyo, so I will do the next suggestion tomorrow and post the results here asap.. Thanks for your help.

 

This data is normal...
I think we'll have to wait for the rest of data.And try to decide then.
Good night.

 

OK, so... The new lappy's arrived!

My new Sager NP 5760-V arrived yesterday and right out of the gate I ran 3dMark05/06 and here were the results:

'05: 8561
CPU 7314

'06: 5344
CPU 1826

Not too bad and in line with other 5760 benchmarks I've seen...

BUT, after installing the DUO Core hotfix, something odd occurred. My '05 benchmark increased by 11% while the '06 benchmark was virtually unchanged.

Here are the numbers:

'05: 9606
CPU: 7480

'06: 5345
CPU 1781 (actually dropped!)

Any thoughts on why?

 

There are many different factors involved.Some of them might be the user's error.Another thing might be really related to the inner workings of the 3DMark test.

 

bumpity bimp

 

Ran 3dmark05 twice with my setup ( http://www.mouse-jp.co.jp/m-book/mbp/0705/p530s.html ). The first test (2nd set of numbers) was ran this morning. The second set with riva tuna hardware monitoring was run this evening - I changed nothing else. Got better mark with monitoring, but I think the performance of my card goes up and down seemingly at random - in anycase, whatever test I run I get about half expected performance - 3dmark05 and 06, the fillrate test, and in games. Heres the results..
3DMark Score 2287 (monitoring)and 1780 3DMarks
CPU Score 8139 and 8216 CPUMarks
Detailed Test Results
Game Tests
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 10.2 and 9.3fps
GT2 - Firefly Forest 6.1 and 5.0 fps
GT3 - Canyon Flight 12.2 and 7.8 fps
CPU Test 1 5.1 and 5.1 fps
CPU Test 2 5.8 and 5.9 fps
In the riva tuna log file, all the graphs are straight lines except temperature. The core logs are all 450Mhz through the test. The memory clock, 351 Mhz and the Core vid(non dimensional) is 6 throughout. The temperature is being read wrong in Rivatune - in the test it varies between a minumum of -111 degrees before starting 3dmark05 and it goes up to -97 at several points during the test. I dont know why Riva tune gets the temperatures wrong - Nvidia monitor registers normal looking temps - about 70 degrees idle, just went up to 77-78 degrees when playing oblivion in a window for a few minutes.

 

Oh, my.
I don't think the GPU is throttling.(I don't know even if such thing exists for mobile GPUs,the laptops usually restarts when the GPU overheats.)
The thing that I am thinking of is diabled pipelines.
Go to the rivatuner and enable you pipelines as this guide says: http://www.doomedpc.com/?q=node/37
(before you do that, how many pipelines were active ?)
I hope this works.If you started running into stability and artifacts, revert these settings.

 

Originally the pixel units 0 and 2 were disabled 1 and 3 enabled, and vertex units 0 - 4 were enabled. At the top it says 8pp 5vp (which I think means 8 pixel pipelines, 5 vertex pipelines - which I think is correct for a go 7600). I tried the method suggested, but when I went back to rivatuner, the pipelines were still disabled - so for some reason, rivatuner cannot enable them. In any case, I think that 8 pixel and 5 vertex pipelines is normal for the card, and I should be getting about double the performance that I am getting from this.

 

Yare, Yare
I think your best bet is to kill off the windows completely and do a fresh install.Then only install the drivers and 3DMark and try your luck.

 

Yikes! That sounds quite tough! I guess Im willing to do that as a last resort...is it a big job? I guess Id have to back up all my hard drive as a reinstall would format it right? Is it a big job to uninstall and reinstall - particularly as I have a japanese computer and a japanese version of windows - I think it would all be in Japanese during re-install and my Japanese aint that great!
I think I might wait until I can try the 158.xx driver before doing that.
Thanks for your help anyway - any other thoughts/suggestions from anyone would be welcome!