Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

"supposedly"

Where are these numbers coming from?

 

Here.

 

They do:

 

he had an ephiphany ok get a grip lol

His guess is better than ours...assuming yours also as you presenting no contradiction

 

See image above

 

um holy crap...that really is 200 percent...I just bought this laptop lol


bah but ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeahhhhh its time to upgrade mesa thinks said jar jar binks(ryhmed get over it)

 

Unlikely. As already mentioned - Pascal is power-efficient enough to bring 980-class performance with a third the TDP. I've attempted the maths here in the Reddit post - a 25% reduction in voltage nets a massive TDP decrease.

 

MSI SKU's list with 'm' suffix. Google the model numbers MSI are listing for the new GT83, GT62/3, GS73, GS63 and GS43 all are listed with GTX10**M. Full spec available on some listing pages. I'm not sure tbh, but would like the 1060 to be entry level for gaming notebooks with pascal, but can't see it being true with so many models already listed online with the 'm' varient.


If you want to look, I started here: http://amigo.msi.com/msi_specification.aspx

 

Until the mobile GPU's are announced by Nvidia, and MSI announces these models, I would beware giving anyone money to pre-order.

It's too early to trust "a random website" for facts.

 

http://www.golem.de/news/notebooks-...kchips-fuer-mobile-im-august-1607-122153.html

non M naming confirmed, TDPs reduced vastly from their desktop counterparts, also the 1080 for notebooks has no gddrx but normal gddr ram. *60/*70/*80 have a tdp of 65/85/125 respectively.

 

http://www.golem.de/news/notebooks-...kchips-fuer-mobile-im-august-1607-122153.html

No gddrx ram for the 1080 and non "m" naming confirmed. Clocks and tdp significantly reduced.

 

Aha! I was more or less right! YESSSSSSSS GTX 980 POWAAAA HERE I COME

 

TDPs might be down, but as I said before that's average and your electric bill might agree, but your cooling would not. Eager to see the cooling solutions.



Late reply, if you are not a concerned "party", feel free to skip it.

I feel like I should respond to these two posts, so cue-in weekend, time for a wall of text:

Spoiler: Reply to Tonrac

I never said that people didn't buy 7970m either, otherwise 7970m wouldn't have been pointed as "the most failures". Funny, since there was 8xxx series (the entire line, not just particular products) from nGREEDIA which span to the 9800m and 280m, but people were still buying it and that's the whole point. I wish AMD was flawless, but they aren't, but so are nGREEDIA, but they get away with literary anything especially as the past couple of years prove as well as the recent desktop release. Where (almost) everyone points, blames and laughs at AMD. There was also Mobility 5870, also pretty popular GPU, but never as popular as even the worst nGREEDIA (same goes to 7970m, never as popular as competing nGREEDIA), and Thermi still outsold it, even though 5870 was efficient WAY before (5 generations) nGREEDIA made it a thing with 9xx series. Not to mention recent 980m failures, but no one says a thing, since now there's nowhere to go, but it was fine till everyone thought that they have an option, also they are still under warranty. That warranty is about to expire though and the "option" then, now is the only choice.
The rebrarding is a cancer indeed, but I still fail to realize how it is OK for one and not for the other - "They do so because no competition.". What's on the other side - done because of actual lack of new product. How can one make a new product with no resources? Why should the first one get a pass and the second all the blame when you (not you exactly but buyers in general) voted with your wallets for the "better" product? Why better in quotes? If you can afford to buy every new gen GPU, then it really is better, but I for one can't and even if I did, I don't want someone to tell me when to upgrade. That's why the quotes, they are better (not always, actually not at all, since better is pretty subjective, but let's just go with better for simplicity), for about an year, and then take a nose dive, because someone wants you to upgrade. NO BLOODY THANK YOU!!! And this is only about the performance side of things. A GPU can do "a bit" more than that and this is where balance gets even more off.

Spoiler: Wall of text for GodlikeRU

Really now, there are no posts of you saying left and right how bad AMD is? What if I'm an AMD fan, is that making you an nGREEDIA one? I'm vocal about how bad nGREEDIA is, you are vocal about how bad AMD is. Where's the difference? The difference is that everyone feels like hating AMD, but I'm among the few who returns the "favor". If that makes me an AMD fan, everyone who is bashing AMD is nGREEDIA one then, yourself including.

Polaris is a failure because? It's not as efficient as I (and probably everyone) expected/hoped, but I don't see anything wrong other than that. I guess one can do that much with the limited resources they have. Then again I fail to see what's so bad about delivering 980 performance for well under the price of used 980s and power consumption is actually less. Not by a lot, but less. So they caught-up on Maxwell and then some. The performance/power ratio would improve over time, it is always the case.

Funny you mention 780m, it might last you an year longer than 7970m (it would die as well, or it wont, just like with 7970m, it's just that people love to hate AMD, yourself including), but nowadays they perform the same and do you know how things were a few years ago, 780m had a 25% edge. How time goes, no? The 980m (you mention it, but a while ago it wasn't working for R1, or things have changed recently?), it has quite the failure rate already but I don't see anyone speaking about it openly, maybe since it's still covered by warranty. Also good luck making it work with 8bit and 10bit displays - disclaimer: you can't. The pointed as disappointment at release R9-M295X might as well perform the same as 980m nowadays, but everyone was quick to write it off. Not to mention that it was an option and there were "crazy" ones that would've bought it (not gimped FP64 performance and 10bit output matter to some). No choice was given though. And this is how things accumulate and we end-up in the situation we are. RnD costs money, money that are made from selling products, products that don't exist because of the general attitude towards AMD - better, cheaper and what not, only to consider an AMD product. That's pathetic. Then why cry that there's no AMD? Enjoy the "better" product and pay the asked price.

So you wont buy AMD because crap, but you bought the biggest crap that nGREEDIA made for a while now. Have you counted how many people still use, or ever used 880m? Yeah you are not an AMD fanboy, that's for sure. I wont put 880m in the same sentence with flawlessly working, but it's your call I guess. If you enjoy it go ahead, while it lasts. The difference is that if someone asked me, I would recommend 780m and point out why 880m wasn't a good choice (note that I was recommending another nGREEDIA, because the 780m had edge back then, I couldn't begin to imagine how greedy nGREEDIA is to cripple their own products). You on other hand felt the need to crap on AMD no matter if someone asked you or not. Every. Single. Thread. What were your points against AMD again? Because nGREEDIA checks the same boxes and then some, while coming at a price. So I'll ask, when your 880ms crap on you, was that it for you? No more GPUs? Or at least none from AMD or nGREEDIA. Going grIntel integrated? Are you going to post in every thread how crappy nGREEDIA is, like you did with AMD? Or you'll keep it shut, because you'll end-up with no choice?

Is the BGA really an AMD fault? Do you recall a case against grIntel, which was won, but too little too late? What would have happened if AMD kept the lead and gained even more market share if it wasn't the grIntel's bribing? More money for RnD = more money for competitive product. Look no further than grIntel and grIntel only.

Fury has it's costumers, especially Nano. There's a market for Opteron, even though things are better "optimized" for grIntel, but I guess bribing is even stronger there (part of the "optimization"). That's also the reason why people prefer Quadro instead of FirePro - better "optimization". Also I've seen quite a few Opteron builds back when performance was more or less equal, but the prices not. One could've built an Opteron machine that would cost as just the CPU from a Xeon built (exagaration, but not much). That bribing hit the Opterons as well, because same reason - no money = no RnD. Centurion is the only stock CPU to break the 5.0GHz barrier, so that's some balls. Pointless, maybe, but some movement, unlike the other that makes similarly clockable CPUs for the better part of the decade with minor IPC improvements here and there. Yey for the "innovation"! See how things go? You point and blame, I can do as well.

All in all I can clearly see that you still love to hate AMD for all the wrong reasons.

 

Mate, you blame me for AMD crappy marketing and management. No one bought Nano and Fury becuase they were too expensive and when they got cheaper, well Nvidia lowered their GPUs prices too so the choice was simple.

Most of 780M and 880M were build using not bad quality components and most fails are due to constant overvolting and high overclocking. 6990M and 7970M were failing without any overclock same as 580M. 980M had initial problems with components quality but it's solved now AFAIK.

FirePro was better than quadro few years ago, don't know what's the current situation. I use 880M SLI in CUDA mode to render instead of CPU and they work very good. OpenCL still sucks compared to CUDA.

I won't buy AMD product because it's AMD's product. I will buy what's better for me and that's how 90% of ppl do. If AMD won't sell much GPUs and CPUs they will go bankrupt (it's close to that). They will be bought by Samsung or Qualcomm and new owner will make a new products that will be competetive. Current situation on market is only good for Intel. They put dead AMD in some kind of hospital and they are monitoring status patient to keep him barely alive but if he get better they will kick him in the ass again.

 

Only the name changed for those cards. There will still be an M series GPU lineup, just named differently.

From what I've read here, a lot of you seem to think the all of the traditional 860M notebooks will house the new desktop 1060. That's not going to be the case. A very select few notebooks will house the desktop-class variant of the 1060, 1070, and 1080 desktop cards. The "lower TDP" variants ARE the traditional "M" cards we would see but with different names. In essence, nothing has changed. They will NOT offer 200%-300% increase in performance, haha.

Don't overexcite yourselves just yet. Wait until the announcement in a couple weeks.

 

Based on TDP values mentioned by the Golem.de website as well as the PurePC.pl website, the 1060 for notebooks has a TDP of 65 W. I don't get what such a low-powered GPU would be doing in a laptop like the P870DM. It'd make far more sense to put such a GPU in notebooks that currently house 65 W GPUs, aka 860M to 965M.

 

Nvidia will continue to push out same TDP cards as always before. No big change there. Or every damn ODM / OEM's have to improve their cooling and reverse its philosophy when it comes to how thin their laptop models should be. Higher TDP card will come to the thickest models with adequate cooling. These cards will come. M or not m doesn't matter.

 

Dude... That's even better.

Compltetely true! Should not order in advance from dubious sites.

That's a very low TDP... Feel sorry for it.

I seriously wish they would release ungimped versions too.

Take a person buying a 300-500$ laptop. Those laptops are not thin nor cute. Those people would really be helped if their cards were not gimped... I think that only a very few people actually need and use thin laptops, and those people also want low voltage versions of CPUs, which are destroying laptops.

Who in the world buys a laptop, brands it as i7, but it has less performance than an i3?... why?

 

these golem news are pretty sweet. 125W is the same as 980M, so NO excuse whatsoever NOT to release standard form factor mxm boards!!!

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

That's the bright side.

I just hope it is considerably better than 980 notebook to make it worth the upgradesXD

But yeah, totally happy because we can get it in MXM form factors...

 

Yeah..,, And no reason to gimp high TDP cards in laptops with adequate cooling aka fully 1080 chips in same design as previous 980 200w 1080 would be a nice increase. Of course with a nice Oc on top!!

 

I don't see it being in a P870DM, either. I'm just saying that you won't see a desktop-class 1060 in something like the Alienware 13.

There will still be "M" series GeForce cards... They just won't hold the M nomenclature (afaik).

 

So what do you think it'll be in? I'm quite curious, given that you said 'a very select few' laptops would contain the 1060 notebook version.

 

WCCF: NVIDIA Launching Pascal Series Of GPUs For Notebooks In August – GTX 1080, 1070 And 1060 Included No GDDR5X Included In Pascal GPUs For Notebooks / Top-Notch Performance Still Expected From The Mobile Version Of Chips

 

I'd just be speculating at that point. But from what I can see manufacturers doing right now, new laptops housing the desktop GPU variants will not be released until September/October.

Just to reiterate: There will be a desktop 1060, 1070 and 1080 in laptops as the new "mobile versions." But there should also be lower TDP variants, which are the traditional "M" series with lower core and clock counts for thinner laptops (e.g. Razer Blade).

 

Fair enough. But then the 'M' series would probably be restricted to non-GTX low-end GPUs, like 1020M to 1040/1050M.

I really don't see 65 W being cut down any further without a core reduction.

 

I updated my post above. The forum is lagging like hell for me.

 

It lagged terribly on desktop for me - Tapatalk seems to be OK.

 

If they are using what they had been using on the 1070, the 8ghz samsung gddr5 should overclock close to 10ghz.

 

Don't know what happened to the site, but I've noticed some really bad times with it.

About the mobile version, since we can't cool the full versions, I just wish the P870 and Clevo laptops will come faster, as having that desktop CPU is sure to come in handy, if someone wants to buy. I mean, I totally want to buy a 1080 laptop faster, but without the desktop CPU, I might be better off with a 980 based P870

 

do you guys even game? whats the point in having 10 more fps 40/50 will it make the game better lol

 

They claim the mobile 1080 has the full 2560 cores, so what the heck is the 2048 core card we've seen?

It is WCCF though, so I'll hold off on taking it seriously.

 

Says the guy who opens a benchmarking thread

 

Golem.de confirms 2560 cores, too.

 

I heard words that 1080 mobile version doesn't have a 125w tdp, is actually 150w.
And in order to compensate it, clevo redesign the internal of p870&p775(probably p750 too) and set up a 8pin extra power supply to deal with it.


Boring boring Chelsea

 

did i not say earlier in the thread they would close the gap with mobile and desktop. this is exciting.....rip desktops

 

good luck upgrading lmao

 

Unless someone makes a laptop with a HEDT chipset, cool the high core count CPU when overclocked and somehow actually manage to have a GP102/GP100 GPU inside, not really.

 

RIP desktops? Umm... no.

 

Looks like Intel is putting the 4 core k series processor into the traditional HEDT line up, code named Kaby Lake-X. Keeping dual channel memory, 16 lanes of pci express, but use the same PCH as the HEDT and put the TDP to 112 watts



Boring boring Chelsea

 

Why does it always have to be desktops vs laptop. You do realize that these two have different purposes right?

 

Interesting, so take the mainstream die and wire it up to the 2066 package just have most of the pins not connected and make sure it can talk to the pch. No real advantage except you can use an over designed board and then upgrade later to more cores if you need them (most wont).

 

I'm sorry, Golem who? WCCF's sources are consistently sites that very few have heard of prior.

None of this explains why the specs from within the MSI laptop, both GPU-Z and the Nvidia Control Panel, listed the whatever card as having 2048 cores.

One can use that 10fps buffer to increase visual fidelity.

 

True, while I don't have a reason to distrust golem.de (as it is quite an old established site) I have no idea where they take this information from.

 

If you would all like to chat about Pascal, I've created a Discord server for NBR members.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/official-notebook-review-discord-server-chat.794027/

It's a free text chat for anyone to use. Very nice, lightweight program. It's also very secure! I hope to see you there.

 

How do I join your server?


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rip desktops was a hyperbole.

sorry for the confusion

 

The 1060 is finally available. Exciting days ahead! Hope you're all ready. I've been waiting for this for so long.

 

Here is a real world performance of GTX 1060 compared to other GPUs (average over 24 games, incl. both Nvidia founder's edition and custom MSI card).

Comparison for 1080p:



And here it's for 1440p:



Source: https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/geforce-gtx-1060-test/3/

 

Now all we need are the mobile GPUs to be released.